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This is why this is happening. You shamed the Cherokee Nation by getting your behind handed to you by Yogi Bear..

Kinda hard to take any of that when you just dismissed Jewish people like 4 posts ago... Not an attack either, just saying if you want people to listen to you maybe don't dismiss other races and opinions. Jewish people may be one of the most oppressed races in the history of the world. My opinion, take it or leave it, just trying to help.

This is ridiculous....people gotta stop giving in to this ludicrous liberal agenda. too many are being infected With this indoctrination. hey Nederland you better change your name. Bulldogs have rights too and are probably offended. Where’s peta at?

Thank you! People My thoughts exactly, the Jewish community is indeed in fact the most oppressed community. Bad Santa, My grandfather and Grandmother both survived a concentration camp as kids during WW2 so you wanna talk about being enslaved.. and they both just passed about 12 and 7 years ago. The stories they will tell When they came to America they were beaten, denied jobs, because of religion just like how many other races are to this day. Heck just this week 2 known athletes one from this very area Stephen Jackson and Desean Jackson both used a major social platform to degrade the Jewish community.... Jewish Synagogues still to the day get shot at, attacked, graffiti all the time. Our very place in Beaumont roughly 5 years ago had been attacked...

No more personal attacks y’all.

I truly appreciate your honest response. It is and has been frustrating for all parties. The initial response is to lash out and try to justify. It all starts with me. If I have said or done anything to offend you, I want to apologize and I ask for your forgiveness. It may not be much but if we pay it forward just maybe, just maybe we can effect change.

No, older not old. I will admit to nothing. That being said, I knew you would get it.

In 2020, blacks are so IGNORANT of their own past and what was fought for on their own behalf that y’all are now advocating “separate but equal.” THIS^^^ It’s hard take you serious when you speak as if all black people are ignorant. STOP it. That alone is offensive. I am offended when I am lumped in with all bad law enforcement officers. Try a different approach or quit beating around the bush and just say that you have a problem with all people of color. I have much respect for anybody that speaks how they truly feel in the front and not behind ones back. (Flip flopping) I have a better understanding of who I am dealing with when the individual is up front. No love lost or feelings hurt. I may not like you and you may not like me but at the end of the day we will respect one another. I know all people of color are not hateful or evil. I work side by side among the finest men of valor and honor whom I would lay down my life for. I don’t care that there skin color is different than mine. I don’t live in southeast Texas and I won’t judge it based off what I have heard from this message board. I refuse to lump all of you in one category. It’s just wrong and there no place for it. I believe you had a bad experience growing up in PAT (sorry if I got wrong) and it must to have been rough and we may never know but your true feelings show.

I’m a WO-S guy so this probably will be my only post on this thread as I don’t have a dog in this fight, but this is complete nonsense. I’ve seen many WOS-PNG games going back to the early 80s and I’ve seen PNG play in other games as well and nothing they do dishonors, discredits or demeans the American Indian. Political correctness will be the death of us all eventually. Why don’t we all just forget about mascots, traditions and team logos. I know some of you will disagree with me and say I’m ignorant or racist or whatever, well let me say I’m none of the above. Like I said this isn’t my fight but this is stupidity at its highest level. I’m calling it as it is and It is what it is. I hope PNG family stands firm. They have my support. I’m done, over and out.

Indian Givers😂

Everybody’s special in God’s eyes but that group from last year not whooping up on no EC. So what is it? Y’all got move ins?

Texas!!! There were white, hispanic, and black people looting and studies showed 95% weren't even with the peaceful protesters. Understand for every good event, there will be people who come to tear down and destroy. I've seen arrest at the rodeo, Texans game, conventions etc... You can't judge the peaceful people by the ignorance of others who came to steal. I didnt agree with that either. It was dumb and I hope every single one is arrested.

That much money will kill the average person.

Yeah, them two had 400 of their 448 yards and all five rushing TDs against us in that game. They just where not enough to overcome the legend of Mackey.

Well, I for one am offended at the name of the Houston Texans. I mean, it’s like saying if your from Texas, you just can’t win! 😂

Truer words have not been spoken, my friend. And you guys are absolutely as capable-that's not even a question. Don't doubt that for a second. Anybody that argues that the black community is somehow "less" than anybody else by nature or race is a bigoted fool. I know of older people (now gone on) that literally believed that black people didn't have souls. Seriously. Like dogs. Not going to heaven. No souls. There are so many positive things that the black community collectively has. I'm envious of the amount of faith that I see in your community. The positive body image that black girls have over their white counterparts. The list goes on and on. There's no doubt that your community has so much potential that just needs to be focused... Face it. Life has gotten better for each generation in my family. My great grandparents were impoverished... they had hard lives. My Grandparents were what would be considered typical middle-class for the 40/50/60s... they still had to work hard. My parents' generation had it even easier... less manual labor and a solidly middle to upper middle class lifestyle. My generation all benefited from post-high school education and jobs that really don't demand much of us physically. Our quality of life is not bad at all. We're so blessed. Our kids grew up blessed. I kind of think we're hitting the ceiling for what can be accomplished, though. I'm kinda thinking that my kids and future generations are gonna have a harder time outdoing us based on societal changes... student debt, stagnant job market, etc. This is the first time in probably a hundred years that it's possible that our kids won't have it as good as we did. On the other hand, you guys have so much opportunity to better yourselves over the next few generations. Genuine changes that create a tide that will raise all of your boats. It just won't happen if the plan to move forward is to "tear it all down."

Vanderbilt family is extremely powerful and still has alot at stake in this. More divide and conquer? Just look at the names in this list of Vanderbilt family members. Lady Rosemary Spencer-Churchill (1929– ) Kenneth Peter Lyle Mackay, 4th Earl of Inchcape (1943– ) Charles James Spencer-Churchill, 12th Duke of Marlborough (1955– ) Lady Henrietta Mary Spencer-Churchill (1958– ) Anderson Hays Cooper (1967– ) Daniel Finch-Hatton, 17th Earl of Winchilsea (1967– ) George John Godolphin Spencer-Churchill, Marquess of Blandford (1992– ) Tobias Finch-Hatton, Viscount Maidstone (1998– )

No disrespect, I have watched him play since he was little. He just cracks me up with his on field antics. Very good athlete.

I love it!

FBI Stats for 2018: 2,426 black/African-American victims of hate crimes in 2018, 920 Jewish victims and 236 Muslim victims. Adjusting for the population size of each group (43.84 million blacks in 2018 according to the Census Bureau and 6.2 million Jews and 3.6 million Muslims based on Pew Research Center data, the hate crime victimization rates in 2018 per 100,000 population of each group were 14.8 for Jews, 6.6 for Muslims and 5.5 for blacks; therefore, adjusted for population by group, American Jews were 2.7 times more likely than blacks to be a victim of a hate crime last year, and more than twice as likely than a Muslim to be a hate crime victim. Im just posting the stats.

This thread will stay civil or it will be locked. Anyone continuing to personally attack other posters will face consequences.

It’s funny how they ll say George Floyd s past shouldn’t be brought up but yet they want to bring up the past and use it to change names and tear down statues.

I thought AC was supposedly spreading it faster???

I always thought it was png@mom. I was like “when did she start using he/him pronouns?”

It must be the Cherokee Nation’s liberal brain washed kids causing all this nonsense. “If fascism ever comes to America , It will come in the name of liberalism “ - Ronald Reagan Stand your ground PNG

The Southeast Humble area ( summer wood area ) Has a port Arthur pipe line .. got the athletic staff now the players .

The Cherokee Nation has nothing to withdraw except an opinion. About 41 years ago a Cherokee chief said that he supported what PNG was doing and now another comes along as says that he doesn’t. PNG did not request nor need the CN’s consent to name their team the Indians in the 1920s. They are the PNG Indians, not the PNG Cherokees Whether they remain the Indians is up to them. The CN has the right to voice their opinion and have done so.

LCM just received a letter from the Grizzly Bear he is offended of all the losing and is embarrassed can we please change the mascot.

There are several “that” songs. My favorite is not racial “Suzy Shallow Throat”. Sounds like a beautiful love song ballad. The lyrics are hilarious...especially the chorus!

It’s only offensive to people looking for racism and victim hood. Guess what you call people from India? You got it Indian! Or should I say Asian Indians not to get them confused with American Indians.

No one cares about the Ivy League as long as Texas High School Football is going! All that matters.

I'm sorry sir but you may have me mistaken with some show you are watching. Yes, I'm an African American who has 2 degrees, been a District Manager in Oil & Gas for 8 years before that DM with Enterprise Rent A Car for for 10 years. I'm married to a beautiful black woman who has a degree (academic scholarship from Texas A&M no loan paybacks). She has been a principal in Cy Fair for 11 years! I dont recall the N word being used in my home or me calling one of my fellow African Americans the N-word at all. See sir you are a stereotype. You live in a bubble called Bridge City which is less than 2% minority. I'm sure there are more people of color on my street than in the entire town you live in. Im far from ignorant and far from what you would call a (typical negro). I'm sure all you have been exposed to is what you have lived in that small town. Your ways of thinking have never changed. I have been in several conversations in my travels to Arizona and have meet many Native American. I have not met one who has said the term "Indian" isnt offensive. Its similar to call me the N-Word. I would challange you to read more or have a diverse group of friends outside of the ones you sit with in the losing section of Bridge City. Matter of fact Bridge City is one of the most racist towns in Texas. Didnt you guys just post some racist post about some WOS kids? Tell me Cardinalbacker, what time is the rally tonight? A town that is 95% white has no comments on what another should feel.

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Not gonna happen! We’ve got our letter from the Head Pirate himself before he passed away the great Al Davis the owner of the Raiders! 😁

Thanks, but I have a question. Are you ok with the Confederate flag as a tradition? Are you ok with the use of racial slurs, traditionally speaking? Do you care that entire Native American tribes are hurt by your use of their culture simply for your tradition and entertainment? Is it incumbent on each tribe to “check in” with your team on the misuse of their race and culture, or should it be the other way around? Is it ok for non-whites to be passed on jobs of higher pay and skill because traditionally that’s the way it always was. Do you think blacks should get to vote? Do women deserve equal pay for equal jobs? Do you think the term Scalp ‘Em is appropriate? Is their ever a time your mascot and team name won’t be considered racist? Are you white?

He's a good coach. I remember him when coaches at McNeese. He's made strides in improving the program.

You're getting some stuff mixed up. Repetitions is money due for work and services not paid for. Whether we think the payments were fair, the United States has paid reparations to people it had wronged such as Native Americans (via reservation and the current Indian bureau), Chinese Americans, and Japanese Americans. Black people, nope, no payment. so it's not unreasonable to expect payment especially since this county benefited from 250 years of unpaid labor and another 120 years of Jim crow depressed wages. As for the Confederate flag, it's a traitors flag. The officers renounced their sworn commissions in the US Army to commit treason to fight against the United States so a rich few people could continue to own other people. The Confederacy and all the states in rebellion all stated in their constitution that they were committed to slavery and planned to expand it and they were fighting the United States to preserve slavery. Is that a heritage you want to honor? The right to own other people? if you're gonna fly that flag, at least fly the right one. it's a blank white sheet. it's also known as the surrender flag. The KKK eventually adopted it as their wardrobe. Be better than that.

Definitely not a good district for the Pirates they will definitely finish in last place here

I think it's up to the people that live in that school district, period. If they (as a group) decide to change mascots, awesome. If they all decide to keep the traditions, that's awesome, too. Not the school super, not some whackjobs from out of town, not just a bunch of loudmouthed "woke" kids. When a majority of the bunch makes a decision, good for them. It's the same way that I feel about the flag in Mississippi. If those folks vote to change their flag, great. If they vote to keep it as it, great. You shouldn't have some "enlightend" college profs deciding that after a go-zillian years, it's too offensive to play "Dixie" at Ole Miss games. Alabama was forced to quit playing "Dixieland Delight" at theirs. It's all so stupid. I would have said retarded, but that's offensive now, too.

That's always a good thing for the area. Better you play, better you become.

God Bless America!!! Hurray!!! Love that freedom of opinion. send those letters, express those beliefs, and after those senders are done with all of their correspondence, please remember that, in a free country, others have the rights to their beliefs too. God bless all those tribes that have the right to freedoms & beliefs, in this country. After all, disagreement on any subject, including mascot names, is part of the American Spirit. Gotta' love it!!!

Seems like the good/great programs in the area definitely not shying away from competition as far as non-district is concerned for 2020 and 2021.

Maybe because his mother is white. Really, some of these topics you guys are posting are completely ridiculous. Making this forum a complete joke.

I spoke with Doug Jones as well. Confirmed. Abram's family has moved to Summer Creek.

Well I heard the Washington Redskins are changing their name to the Washington Foreskins so anything is possible.

It will be as soon as someone is told they should be offended.

George Floyd's so called criminal past has nothing to do with how he was handled during his last interaction with law enforcement. No one should have a knee thrust in their neck for nearly 9 minutes while three other officers look on, no matter what he might have been accused of. It's alleged he had a counterfeit bill. The worst that should have happened is take the bill for evidence and write the man a ticket. Do you have any sympathy for your fellow man? Did your heart not break seeing injustice? A lot of people were stirred to righteous anger. We gotta a lot to fix in this country. Maybe momentum is on our side this time. BTW, Ty Cobb is a well known bigot in the baseball world. If there's a man who doesn't belong in Cooperstown for morality, it's him. Maybe you might want to switch your handle up before you get confused for him.

are we talking bout best private school player in HS or best private school player in HS, College and pro?

[quote name="twag11" post="1012414" timestamp="1305782394"] Forum is going slow so maybe this will pick things up. Who do you think is the best player to GRADUATE from a local private school in the past 10 years? Player that come to mind from Kelly: Edward Persia, Mason Moncla, Matt Pace, JB Brown, Taylor Mullenax, Torre Henry Don't know much about Legacy but i think i remember a pretty good player named Ford not to long ago? [/quote] It would help if three of the best players Kelly ever had were on this list. Ryan Zummo and Jude Messina are two of the top 4 scorers in Kelly history. Keenan Simon should also be on this list. He was a phenomenal athlete who earned a scholarship to LSU for track. The list of choices should look like this: Edward Persia, Taylor Mullenax, Ryan Zummo, Jude Messina, Keenan Simon, Blake Lognion. These are the best players Kelly has had in the last 10 years.

From SE Texas it is easily Edward Persia!!!!!