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This is why this is happening. You shamed the Cherokee Nation by getting your behind handed to you by Yogi Bear..

Kinda hard to take any of that when you just dismissed Jewish people like 4 posts ago... Not an attack either, just saying if you want people to listen to you maybe don't dismiss other races and opinions. Jewish people may be one of the most oppressed races in the history of the world. My opinion, take it or leave it, just trying to help.

This is ridiculous....people gotta stop giving in to this ludicrous liberal agenda. too many are being infected With this indoctrination. hey Nederland you better change your name. Bulldogs have rights too and are probably offended. Where’s peta at?

Thank you! People My thoughts exactly, the Jewish community is indeed in fact the most oppressed community. Bad Santa, My grandfather and Grandmother both survived a concentration camp as kids during WW2 so you wanna talk about being enslaved.. and they both just passed about 12 and 7 years ago. The stories they will tell When they came to America they were beaten, denied jobs, because of religion just like how many other races are to this day. Heck just this week 2 known athletes one from this very area Stephen Jackson and Desean Jackson both used a major social platform to degrade the Jewish community.... Jewish Synagogues still to the day get shot at, attacked, graffiti all the time. Our very place in Beaumont roughly 5 years ago had been attacked...

No more personal attacks y’all.

I truly appreciate your honest response. It is and has been frustrating for all parties. The initial response is to lash out and try to justify. It all starts with me. If I have said or done anything to offend you, I want to apologize and I ask for your forgiveness. It may not be much but if we pay it forward just maybe, just maybe we can effect change.

No, older not old. I will admit to nothing. That being said, I knew you would get it.

In 2020, blacks are so IGNORANT of their own past and what was fought for on their own behalf that y’all are now advocating “separate but equal.” THIS^^^ It’s hard take you serious when you speak as if all black people are ignorant. STOP it. That alone is offensive. I am offended when I am lumped in with all bad law enforcement officers. Try a different approach or quit beating around the bush and just say that you have a problem with all people of color. I have much respect for anybody that speaks how they truly feel in the front and not behind ones back. (Flip flopping) I have a better understanding of who I am dealing with when the individual is up front. No love lost or feelings hurt. I may not like you and you may not like me but at the end of the day we will respect one another. I know all people of color are not hateful or evil. I work side by side among the finest men of valor and honor whom I would lay down my life for. I don’t care that there skin color is different than mine. I don’t live in southeast Texas and I won’t judge it based off what I have heard from this message board. I refuse to lump all of you in one category. It’s just wrong and there no place for it. I believe you had a bad experience growing up in PAT (sorry if I got wrong) and it must to have been rough and we may never know but your true feelings show.

I’m a WO-S guy so this probably will be my only post on this thread as I don’t have a dog in this fight, but this is complete nonsense. I’ve seen many WOS-PNG games going back to the early 80s and I’ve seen PNG play in other games as well and nothing they do dishonors, discredits or demeans the American Indian. Political correctness will be the death of us all eventually. Why don’t we all just forget about mascots, traditions and team logos. I know some of you will disagree with me and say I’m ignorant or racist or whatever, well let me say I’m none of the above. Like I said this isn’t my fight but this is stupidity at its highest level. I’m calling it as it is and It is what it is. I hope PNG family stands firm. They have my support. I’m done, over and out.

Indian Givers😂

Everybody’s special in God’s eyes but that group from last year not whooping up on no EC. So what is it? Y’all got move ins?

Texas!!! There were white, hispanic, and black people looting and studies showed 95% weren't even with the peaceful protesters. Understand for every good event, there will be people who come to tear down and destroy. I've seen arrest at the rodeo, Texans game, conventions etc... You can't judge the peaceful people by the ignorance of others who came to steal. I didnt agree with that either. It was dumb and I hope every single one is arrested.

That much money will kill the average person.

Yeah, them two had 400 of their 448 yards and all five rushing TDs against us in that game. They just where not enough to overcome the legend of Mackey.

Well, I for one am offended at the name of the Houston Texans. I mean, it’s like saying if your from Texas, you just can’t win! 😂

No disrespect, I have watched him play since he was little. He just cracks me up with his on field antics. Very good athlete.

I don’t support either party but this is misleading. Democrats and republicans are just salesmen. They’ll represent anyone who will buy their representation. Campaign speeches are just sales pitches. They’re going to target the costumers who have been supporting as of late. The real labels are conservatives/liberals. In the 1800s the conservatives voted democratic because the democratic salesmen were pushing conservative policies. The liberals or people supported policies for slave abolishment and more government restrictions voted republican. Those “conservatives” were the southern confederate flag waving folk. The liberals were the union members from up North. You can pull up a map of it if you like.Near the mid 1940s Democrats began to push more “liberal” policies. Many southern conservatives noticed this and formed the “Dixiecrat” party. Most southern conservatives stayed loyal to the democrat party up until around 1964 when the civil rights act was signed by a democratic president.From that point up until now the republicans have been conservative and the democrats have been liberal. All the while pretty much working together to some extent

Just because our ancestors fought for change so that we are able to live in better circumstances doesn’t mean they didn’t make some mistakes. In the case you bring up the little girl supposedly wanted to go to the white school because it was closer to home and more convenient. There were some blacks who just wanted to integrate because they felt the white schools were better. You have to keep in mind there was probably a spirit of inferiority in the black community because of slavery. In my opinion the spirit of inferiority has hindered our growth and progress as much as racism has. I don’t hate white people but I believe we are just as capable as they are if we get it together. We proved that with communities like Wilmington and Tulsa before those communities were destroyed.

FBI Stats for 2018: 2,426 black/African-American victims of hate crimes in 2018, 920 Jewish victims and 236 Muslim victims. Adjusting for the population size of each group (43.84 million blacks in 2018 according to the Census Bureau and 6.2 million Jews and 3.6 million Muslims based on Pew Research Center data, the hate crime victimization rates in 2018 per 100,000 population of each group were 14.8 for Jews, 6.6 for Muslims and 5.5 for blacks; therefore, adjusted for population by group, American Jews were 2.7 times more likely than blacks to be a victim of a hate crime last year, and more than twice as likely than a Muslim to be a hate crime victim. Im just posting the stats.

Lawman great question. You have to start with not looking at life as if all things are fair. There are many people of color who have been passed over, mistreated, done wrong by someone white and nothing is done. If you see wrong or injustice stop being silent. If you see someone being mistreated at work by a cop speak up. Understand there is a such thing as white privilege. Understand that a person of color is 80% higher to to be pulled over by the cops for no reason. When you hear people making racist comments or jokes, speak up against it. It's not that African Americans want something for free. We just want the playing field to be equal. We have to work 3x as hard as someone of the opposite color. Understand that all black people arent the same. The news will show the most ignorant person they can find. Seek information to understand what black people have been thru. Segregation is only like 60 years ago. Imagine your culture was enslaved, beat, rapped, and killed just to be seen as a HUMAN! You can start with your house hold by telling your kids that no matter the color or background, treat people with respect. Have you even been in a department store and been followed? Been to a car dealership and the 1st thing they wanna know is what you do? Stopped by an officer pulled out of your car and racially profiled. Being black is very difficult when you wake up every day and know the playing field are fair. It's like starting a football game in the 1st qtr before the kickoff being down 42-0. Befriend someone of the opposite color and understand their views.

Grammatically speaking, it’s “you and me”. Objective case, not subjective case. 😎

It’s funny how they ll say George Floyd s past shouldn’t be brought up but yet they want to bring up the past and use it to change names and tear down statues.

It must be the Cherokee Nation’s liberal brain washed kids causing all this nonsense. “If fascism ever comes to America , It will come in the name of liberalism “ - Ronald Reagan Stand your ground PNG

The Southeast Humble area ( summer wood area ) Has a port Arthur pipe line .. got the athletic staff now the players .

The Cherokee Nation has nothing to withdraw except an opinion. About 41 years ago a Cherokee chief said that he supported what PNG was doing and now another comes along as says that he doesn’t. PNG did not request nor need the CN’s consent to name their team the Indians in the 1920s. They are the PNG Indians, not the PNG Cherokees Whether they remain the Indians is up to them. The CN has the right to voice their opinion and have done so.

LCM just received a letter from the Grizzly Bear he is offended of all the losing and is embarrassed can we please change the mascot.

There are several “that” songs. My favorite is not racial “Suzy Shallow Throat”. Sounds like a beautiful love song ballad. The lyrics are hilarious...especially the chorus!

No one cares about the Ivy League as long as Texas High School Football is going! All that matters.

I'm sorry sir but you may have me mistaken with some show you are watching. Yes, I'm an African American who has 2 degrees, been a District Manager in Oil & Gas for 8 years before that DM with Enterprise Rent A Car for for 10 years. I'm married to a beautiful black woman who has a degree (academic scholarship from Texas A&M no loan paybacks). She has been a principal in Cy Fair for 11 years! I dont recall the N word being used in my home or me calling one of my fellow African Americans the N-word at all. See sir you are a stereotype. You live in a bubble called Bridge City which is less than 2% minority. I'm sure there are more people of color on my street than in the entire town you live in. Im far from ignorant and far from what you would call a (typical negro). I'm sure all you have been exposed to is what you have lived in that small town. Your ways of thinking have never changed. I have been in several conversations in my travels to Arizona and have meet many Native American. I have not met one who has said the term "Indian" isnt offensive. Its similar to call me the N-Word. I would challange you to read more or have a diverse group of friends outside of the ones you sit with in the losing section of Bridge City. Matter of fact Bridge City is one of the most racist towns in Texas. Didnt you guys just post some racist post about some WOS kids? Tell me Cardinalbacker, what time is the rally tonight? A town that is 95% white has no comments on what another should feel.

Lol

Not gonna happen! We’ve got our letter from the Head Pirate himself before he passed away the great Al Davis the owner of the Raiders! 😁

Thanks, but I have a question. Are you ok with the Confederate flag as a tradition? Are you ok with the use of racial slurs, traditionally speaking? Do you care that entire Native American tribes are hurt by your use of their culture simply for your tradition and entertainment? Is it incumbent on each tribe to “check in” with your team on the misuse of their race and culture, or should it be the other way around? Is it ok for non-whites to be passed on jobs of higher pay and skill because traditionally that’s the way it always was. Do you think blacks should get to vote? Do women deserve equal pay for equal jobs? Do you think the term Scalp ‘Em is appropriate? Is their ever a time your mascot and team name won’t be considered racist? Are you white?

You're getting some stuff mixed up. Repetitions is money due for work and services not paid for. Whether we think the payments were fair, the United States has paid reparations to people it had wronged such as Native Americans (via reservation and the current Indian bureau), Chinese Americans, and Japanese Americans. Black people, nope, no payment. so it's not unreasonable to expect payment especially since this county benefited from 250 years of unpaid labor and another 120 years of Jim crow depressed wages. As for the Confederate flag, it's a traitors flag. The officers renounced their sworn commissions in the US Army to commit treason to fight against the United States so a rich few people could continue to own other people. The Confederacy and all the states in rebellion all stated in their constitution that they were committed to slavery and planned to expand it and they were fighting the United States to preserve slavery. Is that a heritage you want to honor? The right to own other people? if you're gonna fly that flag, at least fly the right one. it's a blank white sheet. it's also known as the surrender flag. The KKK eventually adopted it as their wardrobe. Be better than that.

Definitely not a good district for the Pirates they will definitely finish in last place here

No Red Face, Only War Paint. Please get your facts straight, my friend.

Have no idea how the Confederate flag got into a discussion about honoring the native american peoples traditions with our mascot. Please do not direct your anger at me. Nor cast any aspersions in my direction. Also, do not deflect attention away from the focus of my argument with your implied "racist" statements toward me. Your hatred & judgementalism speaks of your character. By the way, I will take that bet! I have a cross in my front yard with the word "HOPE" on it. I will include you in my prayers & am sorry this topic has made you so upset that you feel it necessary to attack me personally. God Bless! May you find peace.

I think it's up to the people that live in that school district, period. If they (as a group) decide to change mascots, awesome. If they all decide to keep the traditions, that's awesome, too. Not the school super, not some whackjobs from out of town, not just a bunch of loudmouthed "woke" kids. When a majority of the bunch makes a decision, good for them. It's the same way that I feel about the flag in Mississippi. If those folks vote to change their flag, great. If they vote to keep it as it, great. You shouldn't have some "enlightend" college profs deciding that after a go-zillian years, it's too offensive to play "Dixie" at Ole Miss games. Alabama was forced to quit playing "Dixieland Delight" at theirs. It's all so stupid. I would have said retarded, but that's offensive now, too.

That's always a good thing for the area. Better you play, better you become.

God Bless America!!! Hurray!!! Love that freedom of opinion. send those letters, express those beliefs, and after those senders are done with all of their correspondence, please remember that, in a free country, others have the rights to their beliefs too. God bless all those tribes that have the right to freedoms & beliefs, in this country. After all, disagreement on any subject, including mascot names, is part of the American Spirit. Gotta' love it!!!

Seems like the good/great programs in the area definitely not shying away from competition as far as non-district is concerned for 2020 and 2021.

Maybe because his mother is white. Really, some of these topics you guys are posting are completely ridiculous. Making this forum a complete joke.

I spoke with Doug Jones as well. Confirmed. Abram's family has moved to Summer Creek.

lol 😂 18???

Well I heard the Washington Redskins are changing their name to the Washington Foreskins so anything is possible.

It will be as soon as someone is told they should be offended.

George Floyd's so called criminal past has nothing to do with how he was handled during his last interaction with law enforcement. No one should have a knee thrust in their neck for nearly 9 minutes while three other officers look on, no matter what he might have been accused of. It's alleged he had a counterfeit bill. The worst that should have happened is take the bill for evidence and write the man a ticket. Do you have any sympathy for your fellow man? Did your heart not break seeing injustice? A lot of people were stirred to righteous anger. We gotta a lot to fix in this country. Maybe momentum is on our side this time. BTW, Ty Cobb is a well known bigot in the baseball world. If there's a man who doesn't belong in Cooperstown for morality, it's him. Maybe you might want to switch your handle up before you get confused for him.

If he wasn't going far away, I wish he was headed to Lamar. At least I'll get to see him twice a year. Talented kid. I hope he makes a lot of programs regret passing on him, including the one in Beaumont. If he was offered Lamar, I can't blame him for wanting to get away from home. Lake Charles is far enough away from Silsbee to force you to find new friends and grow out of your comfort zone. A talented kid that grows up in your backyard, you at least gotta ask, even if they're dead set on leaving home.

are we talking bout best private school player in HS or best private school player in HS, College and pro?

[quote name="twag11" post="1012414" timestamp="1305782394"] Forum is going slow so maybe this will pick things up. Who do you think is the best player to GRADUATE from a local private school in the past 10 years? Player that come to mind from Kelly: Edward Persia, Mason Moncla, Matt Pace, JB Brown, Taylor Mullenax, Torre Henry Don't know much about Legacy but i think i remember a pretty good player named Ford not to long ago? [/quote] It would help if three of the best players Kelly ever had were on this list. Ryan Zummo and Jude Messina are two of the top 4 scorers in Kelly history. Keenan Simon should also be on this list. He was a phenomenal athlete who earned a scholarship to LSU for track. The list of choices should look like this: Edward Persia, Taylor Mullenax, Ryan Zummo, Jude Messina, Keenan Simon, Blake Lognion. These are the best players Kelly has had in the last 10 years.

From SE Texas it is easily Edward Persia!!!!!