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I don't know that a black coach would be on any shorter of a hook than a coach of any other skin color. Sure there would be some who would want to ride him out of town. But then again, there is a contingent of the greater Orange community that wants to do that to the current head coach despite the fact that in his 10 years as head coach (along with a very instrumental role in the era of his successor), he has led the Mustangs to 2 state championships, to the finals 2 more times and has advanced 4 rounds deep in the playoffs in every season of his tenure except 1. All of that plus raising the football team's winning percentage from .786 to .806 during his tenure (#1 in the state among schools that have played at least 500 games). Yes, some of those who want him gone occupy this board......deny it as they will. Some wish to call that "complacency".....not messing with a good thing. And despite the claims of some, the West Orange-Stark Mustangs' football team is a good thing. In topics here about other coaches and change, there has been a lot of talk about culture. When I see a post on here on here that the primary consideration for the next head coach, whenever that change might become necessary, should be skin color, it makes me wonder if the posts I made in those topics about the current culture at WO-S are accurate and if the current football culture in my old home town has changed.....and not for the better. If after an extensive search (something I do agree with) the best candidate to succeed Cornel Thompson, whenever that may occur, and to maintain or improve the tradition of winning at West Orange-Stark is an African-American, I will gladly welcome it as I expect other Mustang fans and alum will. In fact, whoever it is will have my full support as that person's success will greatly affect my mood on Friday nights between Labor Day and Christmas. However, if it appears that successor is put in place merely to satisfy some sense of social justice.......than yeah, I expect many will show their displeasure at the first sign of any misstep by the Mustangs. After all, the West Orange-Stark Mustang football team is exactly that, a football team. Much to dismay of plenty, some on this board, some in the superintendent's office, the Mustangs are not a social experiment.

Nice debut for Hef tonight with 9 points

I remember someone saying at one time that WOS put their best all-around football players on defense and focused more on keeping people off the scoreboard. We have enough athletes in the program that we should be able to find 11 guys to do that AND enough to run a good offense that can score. CB made a good point about our quarterbacks, though. We haven't had many historically that are dynamic enough to overcome deficits. Jasper has to become a defense-first program from the top all the way down. It's the only way we're going to have a chance. Walkoviak knew that and we went toe-to-toe with so many teams because of that. WOS guys from that era know how good those Jasper teams were. We were nasty on defense and we need to get back to that.

Shouldn't the qualifications come before color?

They need to take this show off TV. I’m not the least bit hungry. Turn on this show, and 15 min later I’m like a Great White Shark in a feeding frenzy. Just saw a lady make a cheeseburger. Covered it all in batter & deep fried it. My tongue was slapping my forehead and drool was running down on my chin. Alas, I’m a fried food slut. 😢😜😢

6A/5A 1. North Shore 2. PA Memorial 3. Magnolia 4. Crosby 5. College Station 6. Atascocita 7. Baytown Lee 8. Nederland 9. CE King 10. Goose Creek Memorial

I was thinking the same thing ever since I found out the best defense resides in Nederland? Plus y’all have that state championship from the ‘50s and that great mid-county tradition. I’m really not seeing how Crosby has ever beaten Nederland, especially since Vidor has the same number of wins against us?

I might take it pending more research. I think all y’all need to get in line and take it and let me know what you think. 😳

Correct me if I am wrong, but has there only been 3 head coaches in the history of WO-S? If so, then only been 2 hires. With the asking of "why", one would think that there have been several head coaching hires at WO-S. Simple mathematics says the opportunity to hire a minority head coach really hasn't been there.

Even one punt would be nice. Maybe one in the first and one in the second🤣

Not to get off the immediate subject but as for WO-S future, word on the street is that they have a 7th grader that UT and Baylor are already looking at AND a 5th grader is on their radar. I saw the younger one working out at the track this summer, he had a beard.

You're right, I missed it. Although upon rereading it, I am not sure what you had was sarcasm but rather a parody based on true event in a city a little bit south of Orange. Regardless, it was an available vehicle for me. 😄😄

I’m taking China Springs in a upset!!

Thank you sir. Best candidate. Period.

The big guy. That's true.

I'm sure those backups have been getting alot of playing time against top opponents all season. A big reason for the continuation of dominance. Playing 16 games a season is an extra half a season of practice per year. I remember a few years back we had a guy that broke the "most games played record" at WOS. I think it was over 60 games in a 4 year career, when most student athletes are lucky to get 20 or 30.

We need a different poll for the University of North Shore.

Mustang football is a deep tradition and a culture. The Program does not depend on transfers to succeed. It starts when they are young and continues through HS. Just this week, during the holiday's with the Mustangs out of the playoffs, I was driving down 15th st by the middle school and out in the field was about half a dozen youth, aged twelve or so, running cone drills. (No offense but when's the last time you saw that in BC)The mustangs may not make it to state anytime soon but that type of culture will make them competitive year after year.

Our girls are killing it up to #8 in the state

As I said last week. This game will depend on one thing, & one thing only!!! The way PNG defense is playing, anything is possible. We will have to see which PNG Indian Team shows up. Coaches, especially Defensive Coordinator, must make adjustments, otherwise the only guarantee this game is that the Indians will win!!! (One, or the Other!!!)

I'm not privy to the inside intel on what happened then to dispute that. Cornel has been there since who flung the chunk. Just always took for granted he was next up, Palestine or no. Dont believe anyone regrets that. I personally would vote Toby to be #4, after looking at all qualified candidates first of course.

I'm hoping for a Lindale vs Corpus Christi Miller matchup in round 4. CC Miller averages 58 PPG this season. If you haven't checked out their scores from this season you will be amazed. The over/under for that game would be 100 lol. Plus, the Houston area is in the middle of both teams so that would definitely be worth the drive.

Anybody that thinks that a coach's skin color should be prioritized at hiring time is not thinking correctly... whether they think a coach should be white, black, purple, etc.... Not trying to stir the pot, but the evidence clearly indicates that WOS needs another white QB if they ever want to win state again. See how ignorant that sounds? I've been hearing that same racist mess out of WOS faithful for years now. It gets old. And everybody is too timid to call it what it is.... sickening. I was blown away when PAM picked their guy a couple of years ago.... seeing as to how they're the only team still standing, it makes me think that being colorblind come hiring time can actually work in a school's benefit. But not everybody sees things that way. I certainly hope that other openings in our area that are predominantly white have their options open at hiring time, too.

Crosby 98 Nederland -6 Based on 14.2, that's the only prediction I can make...not sure how Nederland scores negative points, but the mighty mecca can somehow make that happen, I'm sure reality is that Crosby is a big favorite and should win this game...just for fun, I would like to go ahead and have the boys lace 'em up and play anyway

Good to see him getting PT and making the most out of it...

Actually, Jasper is like a remarkably average looking girl that you take out for dinner at the Cedar Tree and you realize that she can't hold a fork or a conversation. Then she mentions that her fee-yawn-say has been in jail since the Spring and that she's five weeks pregnant... but she's not worried about it... she can take care of herself. And all you want to do is skip dessert and drop her off at her bruncle's house and hope nobody noticed the two of you out on the town. I've given credit to Officer Barbrady and the Dawgs for renewing their matchup with Silsbee.... I also suspect that Jasper will (as always) have some good athletes rise to the occasion. I don't see Barbay making any substantial changes... Jasper is kinda like us in the fact that they aren't a qb factory.... I don't know how you can cultivate state championship talent under center, so that leaves you completely reliant on a rb.... that will still work down in 3A D2 where Newton lives, but it doesn't fly against squads like y'all run into in 4A. It eventually catches up, if for no other reason than not being able to defend a passing attack because you just don't see one often enough. But the dawgs will finish near the top of District and hopefully make a round or two further than they did this year.

Deep fried pork tenderloin. Ever had that? I make ‘em at Thanksgiving after frying the turkey. So dang good it oughta be outlawed.

He said win by less than 20, not that CS was going to score 20.

Exactly. You would think WO-S would be on the short list in this area of teams where head coaching would not be in question. You got 3 head coaches in 43 years. Worry about it when it's time to worry about it and THEN, dont worry about it. Picking the man at WO-S hasn't been a problem yet.

Yeah that's about right lol.

Drinking should be discouraged when making your picks...

A welcomed "change" the last couple season's was kicker Angel Ibarra. He was a great addition to the Mustangs. He set new records and elevated the level of expectations to the 3rd phase of the game. I've been told he is looking to get a scholarship to play college ball. If this happens, I could see more kids wanting to follow in his footsteps.

Indian Victory, Indian Loss at Indian Stadium (Wow, that's a lot of Indians!!!)

I just want three punts in one game from the other team. Let's start there.

I'm a major Faircloth fan, even when we lose to Nederland six years in a row. I think he is a very good coach, especially and obviously on the offensive side. I think he is a great offensive mind. I'll be sad when he eventually moves on from PNG. All that being said, the defense has been poor beginning in 2010 (and, honestly, as much as that 2010 defense struggled, it seems downright stellar compared to this year). We've had some good defensive moments, but overall we've been below what we could be.

PNG must move athletes around, go both ways if you need to & most importantly GET A DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR WHO WILL MAKE SOME KIND OF ADJUSTMENTS!!! Otherwise, keeping only stellar athletes on offense will not benefit you over an entire season. This PNG team has to be able to occasionally stop other offenses from scoring!!!

CS had a nice run scheme. Jason Herring at Refugio is a good coach also.

Maybe he is thinking the underdog will upset GCM.

Both backs went out in the first quarter of the College Station game. Actually Kendrick was already injured from the Kingwood Park game. This is what you get when they are both healthy. This is football so they'll never be 100% but they're good enough to go.

I think Crosby will win this but Nederland giving up 55 points I dont see it

What I’m saying is that the big man from Kountze lived in Silsbee the whole time while he went to school Im Kountze. The Yates kid including the other kids live in Beaumont...

You can have all the blood in you that you claim but when you and your parents homes are in Beaumont the whole time your attending school 2 cities over and you go home everynight then I guess that makes it ok....IJS

Definitely not time to shake things up a bit!Why would you change anything when you’re still winning.If change occurs before coach T is ready you will see WOS be irrelevant and quick.

I’m still surprised that your numbers aren’t up with all of the recent success. Also disappointed that the SIL o-line isn’t a consistent powerhouse. I thought that was Coach Smith’s bread and butter. Hooefully it was just a rebuilding issue this year.

Jahmi’us Ramsey led Duncanville to the 6A state title a couple of years ago and was just drafted by Sacramento. Duncanville was the third school he attended...HIS SENIOR YEAR. The point is that the UiL, which is as broken and dysfunctional as the NCAA, ALLOWS these DECs to make those decisions. As evidenced by the Ardoin kid, the appellate process is pretty much a perfunctory joke as well. So you have one end of the spectrum where you have DFW where the “let them play” mantra rules supreme. And then the other where you have ADs or Sups or coaches voting kids down who should qualify just to improve their own school’s chances of success. I would argue that the latter is more disgusting but certainly not trying to justify the former. But then you have people hammering HISD (and Yates usually is the whipping boy) about transfers, etc. But when Dallas has been doing it FOR YEARS and the uil relies on self-governance, is Houston just to concede the championships to Dallas? Granted FFA is the most egregious I’ve seen (importing a whole coaching staff and team). Until the uil gets off its behind and fixes the system (which would take a lot more money and resources than it has), this is what we are stuck with. If it were me, I would punish the bad actors on both sides - the Faith Family’s AND Huffman’s of the world.

Some very good ones. Seven Spanish Angels definitely one of my favorites.

Congrats to the Gates led Falcons.Looking forward to an even better 2021, plenty of returnees for next year.I'll be watching the Girls softball make another run at the Crown,led by Coach Garrett Gates.From the Sheldon Oilers Coach.

The last opportunity Crosby had to finish as undefeated district champions was 2017. We were 9-0 and heavily favored and lost at home to New Caney 63-38. More impactful part was that loss dropping us into the D2 #2 seed which set up the 72-69 loss to PNG in bi-district. Nederland always matches up well with Crosby. They usually have just enough personnel wise and play at that slower pace that seems to complicate things for the Cougars. Crosby has been the best team in 12-5A-D2 all year and has a chance to finish off their most impressive run through district play that I can remember. Ned is trying to prove they’re the best team in the district at the end of the year. This is exactly where both teams were hoping to be when the season started.

It's nothing to be sad about @Gasilla. We should be thankful for having a winning tradition that's been able to accomplish that streak.