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After the first 2 and 1/2 pages I thought this would end up a waste of a thread and also my time reading. However I'm glad I read through the entire thread and all post before clicking off. As a coach for the past 20 years both in SETX and now in the Greater Houston Area and being very familiar with the WOS Tradition/ Culture and also the last good playoff runs in Ozen's short history, I feel as though I have earned the right to reply to some of the comments in regards to Elite Coaching and also Talent / Culture and how the state of football in SETX has changed in the past few years. 1) IZZY you know I love ya like a son but the (50) 5-2 defense isn't trash, IT worked for years for the Mustangs because CT "Mastered" it along with his staff who many forget never really changed for years. So when you have coaches who have mastered a specific scheme and when I use the term mastered I mean they know how to make all of the adjustments in the scheme for what ever offenses will try to show em. What worked for the past coaching staff will not work for the present staff because its not them, simple as that!! You can't replace almost 30 years of CULTURE and as a community expect the same results. 2) Talent plays just as much a part as Coaching "ELITE" or NOT.. An ELITE Coach I wont say any names but I will say this, he hired ME and gave me my first HS Coaching Job.. "You Cant Win The Kentucky Derby With A Mule" to break it down for you, You Cant Win A UIL STATE Championship Without Talent. 3) Talent can make an average Coach look alot better but who cares, that average coach still has to put that TALENT into position to win, and also manage all of the talent on and off the field, and most importantly LEAD all that TALENT. 4) What it all comes down to is allowing Coaches to set the culture for their programs, communities providing support financially and proudly supporting that team all year long. Championships aren't won in the FALL, they are won in the offseason and summer conditioning.

Silsbee played their normal press and fast paced style. Caused a lot of turnovers in the first half, but Benton figured it out and was able to break the press and run. The height advantage was a killer. Silsbee went cold in the 2nd half, not taking bad shots, they just weren't falling. Burgess heated up in the 2nd half, but Harris probably led all scorers w/ maybe 25-30 points. Miller had at least twenty also.

United - 43 Amarillo - 29 Beginning of the 3rd Period

Several “elite” coaches on that list have had seasons AFTER reaching his elite status where they not only didn’t win it all, but didn’t get close. If it was only about coaching then that wouldn’t be the case. Coaches don’t get worse over time.. they have different players.

Trust me it's a joke...... 😉

I understand politics and all that entails and in certain instances in high school athletics it rears its ugly head. I've helped coaches find officials for games including state title games and I can assure you politics are the last thing on those guys minds. You feel quite strongly that politics are involved here and I disagree and that disagreement is based on personal experience. You aren't changing my mind and I'm not changing yours...much like a political debate on the internet

lol don't bet on it. the UIL always treats us like gypsies. even put us in Reg 2 a few realignment ago. I would like to stay in same District personally. same pre district replacing Palestine with PAM or PNG. Kincaid, Franklin LSSS PNG/PAM

FINAL BH 58 Memorial 49

Silsbee has to rebound better. Also had a lot of good stops defensively then turned the ball right back over. First time I have watched them this year, I do like them having the jones kid out there for his 3-point shooting.

UNITED 61 AMARILLO 57 FINAL

Final Venus. 49 Orangefield. 55. OT

Silsbee 20 Benton 15 end 1 Harris w/ 13 1st Q points

The start of the Silsbee game is delayed due to a crooked rim..... too many dunks happening here.

I can see the smoke from the wheels turning from one poster. One poster with "higher standards"

6 starters played. 2 walk ons and 5 true freshman played on defense. The 12th man started at safety and was probably their best defensive player last night. 4th string true freshman QB looked pretty solid. Yes it was the scout team and some below that.

Rest easy. We are meeting with Mexico to get them to take care of our immigration problem. Man, we are weak.

#9 vs #7

Go Kountze Lions that is my cousin Sells @Coach 01!! Thanks for the update.

Starts tomorrow. I will be posting a thread for that tourney in the morning.

I likes!!!

Depends on who you’re asking I guess.

United 64 Horn 54 Final

4:48 4th Kountze 61 Tatum 53 Sells taking over down the stretch. Timeout

Horn - 20 United - 36 Halftime

Ags need to build on that 11th rated recruiting class in the SEC with a win tonight. It was still good enough for 21st overall according to ESPN, while Tech signed the #1 recruiting class in the new Big 12 and was right behind A&M at 22. Maybe aggy should run back to Big 12. With Texas and OU gone, they might not be nearly as mediocre this time around?

This is the best post in this thread. +1!

Booker T Washington - 78 St. Francis Academy (MD) - 83 Final. No idea who Silsbee plays tomorrow. Think Duncanville is playing right now or very soon.

Not sure you understand politics, I bet you’re a wealth of information around election time

When it comes to a state championship game? Absolutely!! The only thing on those guys minds is winning if you think those guys are going to risk winning a state title to make someone at TASO happy then I'm not sure you know these coaches.

I would have to say… 1976 Coach Morris Buttermaker someone like this could definitely turn Hemphills season around next year.

La vega- already scheduled LaMarque- let people get a feel for what's to come La Grange- I've got a coupon for one free night at the ranch Shoemaker- only way he's coming back to DRH

More of a combination. Community has just as much to do with it as anything; For instance, PNG's community spirit is what allowed them to spend thousands of dollars to hire Dodge to even go find a great coach. Without the right school board and community, that ain't happening in the first place... And I'm not a PNG guy, but I recognize one of the finest football communities in the nation when I see it.

I have a bachelors and a pretty decent income. I also have the ability to sit and watch a game without telling the tv I know more about football... and I have the ability to not act like a know it all on a message board. Its a pretty good feeling to just sit and watch lol

I can't even get him to explain to me why Bill Belichick is sub .500 without Tom Brady.. or hasn't won a playoff game since Brady left NE. Or why some is his elite coaches (by his definition) didn't win another state title after reaching elite status (according to his definition). So.. again. You're wasting your time. Might as well just let him believe that any coach could go to any team and win it all eventually. Wait.. I think 7 years is his timeframe.

When I make those statements, they're about you bro... and the others who clearly do not. They're not about the people who actually understand it takes more than just a good coach to win. Culture & talent are the 2 most important factors. Coaches can develop culture, but it takes a village. Don't forget - high school football coaches are TEACHERS first. They are the ones spending every day with TEENAGERS and trying to get the best out of them. If you've never spent time as a TEACHER and a COACH, then you will NEVER really and fully understand the many nuances and dynamics of high school athletics.

Nope. Not personally. I just come check it out from time to time. I see one guy who actually coached ball spitting fact after fact, and then the responses from people who obviously haven't coached ball. I'm sure there are some coaches on here in disguise, tho. But they aren't spewing out the ish that you are lol

If only we could set up an in person SETX Sports Forum clinic and have each of you attempt to draw some football up on a white board. It would be the greatest entertainment event of the century watching how much yall don't know. If you coached HS football in Texas, especially at North Shore, you know more than someone who hasn't. I'm almost tempted to bring some expos and a board with me when I come visit Beaumont over the holidays and post where I'll be sat up.

Probably Devin Sanchez’s grandfather…I seen a bunch of PNG folks in the parking lot of AT&T and congratulated them.

I am out on this discussion. I will say one thing He was a coach at NS. That is a fact. Not sure Coach Izzy if you are still coaching so thats why I said was. What you all are talking about I am staying out of. Izzy I will say this... Walking out of Jerry World yesterday an elderly gentleman wearing that exact same style ring just walks up to me and gives me a hug. Out of the blue. He said congrats PNG and he said TY PNG for bringing it back to Houston. I know we arent Houston, but this man warmed my heart. By the way the ring was from his grandson who was a freshman on the 2021 team and let his grandfather wear his ring to the game. He was such a gracious and sweet man. He was very proud of his grandson who was starting in the game. I was heartbroken for him when I heard the score. He was so kind. He was so proud that a team from our area won and his words "way to represent". NS is a great school.

Yeah I found a video of a state championship ring with my last name engraved in it…bingo lol tell us more Falcon

*yawns 🥱🥱🥱

sloppy at the end of the 2nd... getting out rebounded bad