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No, I didn’t presume anything. I'm merely pointing out that the facts that were stipulated to by all of the parties involved don't include what you're arguing. Monte Barrow, one of the fact-finders who voted on this and the head coach of PN-G's arch rival, explicitly stated that the infraction had no effect on the outcome of a close game that came down to the final possession. If the facts were such that the coach taking the pictures was using them in a way that affected the outcome of the game, he wouldn't be saying that. My guess is that this coach was taking the pictures for use after the game during weekly practices. If true, that's a violation, to be sure, but not one that affected the outcome of the Crosby game. Thus, the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

That's presumption, and it not only presumes that this coach was analyzing the pictures in that way, it also presumes he was relaying that information to the sidelines. If the facts actually indicated that, Monte Barrow wouldn't be saying this violation didn't affect the scoreboard.

Ever heard of Facebook? Androids take terrible pictures too. Didn't stop my dad from videoing me crossing the graduation stage with one, and it didn't stop grainy pictures from ending up on social media. One of our assistant principals spends the entire game uploading pictures he's taken to Facebook; in fact, when I'm not listening to the radio broadcast, I'm normally finding out what the score is through his Facebook updates. A lot of these coaches are from other parts of the state, and I know they send stuff to their families back home, too.

That I can't say. Again, I don't know what kind of enforcement powers the UIL actually does and does not have. It's possible ordering wins to be vacated is the only way they can punish a school. But if it's not, it shouldn't have been the sentence of choice here.

Bingo.

And thousands upon thousands of pictures are taken by the fans at every PN-G football game week in and week out. The mere fact pictures are being taken doesn't affect the outcome of the game. What affects the outcome of the game is if those pictures are somehow influencing coaching decisions, and there's nothing in the facts here that indicates they were. So, if the pictures didn't contribute to the win, the win shouldn't be vacated.

No, it didn't, and that's an integral part of my whole point. As I understand them, the facts are that the video was being taken during the game but wasn't being used during the game. Ergo, it had no effect on the outcome or on the Crosby players.

I already knew that, but I don't see how that affects my argument. Even if he was videoing the game, it's only a violation of the rules if he uses the video "for coaching purposes." It's entirely possible that he intended to review the film for use after the game, but there's no evidence that he did, and the facts that everyone has stipulated to, as I understand them, clearly show that the video wasn't used for any coaching purpose during the game. Ergo, the violation didn't contribute to the win that was vacated, which brings me right back to my original point: the punishment doesn't fit the crime. The kids are getting penalized for a coach's mistake they had nothing to do with. Discipline him.

No.

As I understand it, everyone has stipulated to the facts. One of PN-G's coaches had an iPad in the pressbox, which the rules clearly prohibit. That said, there is no evidence, and none of the Barbers Hill coaches have suggested, that the iPad was being used for any illicit purpose or that its presence in any way contributed to PN-G's performance in the game. I'd appeal for no other reason than that. I fail to see how the punishment fits the crime, and ultimately it's the players that are being penalized for something that they didn't do and that didn't benefit them. I'm not familiar with what enforcement powers the UIL does and doesn't have, but it seems more appropriate to hand the coach a suspension for a game or two then to totally vacate the win. Discipline the coach, don't penalize the kids.

No it doesn't. Now they're playing with a chip on their shoulder. Especially this Friday.

Every single PN-G fan needs to go buy an iPad and bring it to the Barbers Hill game with them. #FreePNG

Best of luck to Santa Fe the rest of the season. Good game, and hope y’all learned the right way to play Cherokee tonight.

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In those years, I never understood why we didn't play a tougher pre-district schedule. I personally think we should have WO-S on the schedule every year. We may lose to them four out of five times, but we're always going to be better for the loss.

As someone who didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 but is on track to vote for him in 2020, I think we all need to keep in mind our frame of reference. Yes, there are a lot of Republicans who have come back into the fold since the fractious year that was 2016. I’d say the Republican Party is in much better shape right now than the DNC. But we’re also from an area that straddles the fence between rural and suburban, and Jefferson County is in a unique position versus the rest of the state because of a dying union vote Trump has found surprsing success with. The concerns that dominate Golden Triangle politics are markedly different than the concerns that dominate the suburbs of the major cities. Trump has a problem with college educated white women, and there are a lot of those in places like Kingwood and Highland Park. Texas is culturally much more conservative than its highly populous counterparts, and our energy industry and growing corporate sector give us vested economic interests in the GOP, so we’re better positioned to defend against the so-called ‘blue wave’ than Florida or Ohio. But there is still good reason to be concerned about the suburbs, particularly those west and north of Austin and north of Dallas and Fort Worth.

Montgomery County is not only red, it’s very red. Trump carried nearly 75% of the vote there in 2016, compared to just 22.5% for Clinton - a margin of over 100,000 votes. That said, there’s a question mark hanging over suburban Texas counties this year. Fort Bend County unexpectedly went blue in 2016. Though Trump still won every other suburban county in the state, he also underperformed Romney and McCain in them. And the suburban counties are where the bulk of the new voters are coming from; Rockwall County posted a 9.6% increase in voter registration compared to 2016, more than twice the statewide average of 3.9%. Normally, increased enthusiasm in Texas suburbs is a good sign for the GOP, but it seems counter-intuitive to say that Trump found tens of thousands of new supporters over the first two years of his presidency in suburbs where he underperformed his GOP predecessors. Beto’s loss is all but assured at this point, and I suspect it’ll be about a 10 point margin. But there’s reason to be concerned about Pete Sessions’s congressional district and a handful of state house and senate districts in the DFW Metroplex. The good news for the GOP is that the economy’s good, Trump’s approval rating spiked at the right time and we’re way out-performing our normal partisan turnout in in-person early voting even during presidential years. But we won’t know anything for certain until November 6.

Franklin's isn't worth the wait, especially with LA Barbecue selling the same stuff and no line. They get the texture and tenderness right on their brisket, but TB's has better flavor. TB's also beats them on ribs and sides. I'll take Franklin's over the original Black's, though. I haven't had Micklethwait's, but I've always heard wonderful things. It's on the list. Gaido's may have the best seafood in Texas. And since we're including Galveston, Mario's on the seawall has awesome Italian food. I miss the original Mama Teresa's on Crystal Beach, but the replacement on the island still has awesome pizza.

Florida State's fight song is the War Chant. They have a longer version called "Seminole Fury" or something like that, and PN-G has an adapted version called "Geronimo's Fury" which is played every now and then. Don't call me a heretic, but there are certain things I wouldn't mind seeing PN-G pick up from Florida State. We play short Cherokee (only the intro) after every first down, every touchdown, and every big play on defense. We play long Cherokee at the end of every quarter and twice at the end of the game, at halftime, after every PAT and after every field goal. That's similar to the War Chant in that Florida State plays it after every big play, too. But we have a habit of dragging out War Chant when we're mad about something, especially when we're mad at the other band for something (i.e., LC-M playing the messed up version of Cherokee). And when we play it, we play it kind of slow to signify the anger. Maybe I've just gotten used to hearing it the way the Seminoles play it after living in Tallahassee for a summer, but that doesn't sound right to me, and I don't think the fans get into it the way they do at Doak Campbell. Florida State plays it faster, and it sounds like it has more attitude and intonation to it when they do. I wouldn't mind seeing PN-G pick up some of that attitude. I've never actually heard the Florida State band play the long version of the War Chant in the stadium. I've only heard recordings they've made in their band hall. I suspect PN-G plays it more in the stands than Florida State does, and having played it myself as an Indian Band member, I understand why. It's a very long song, and by the time you get through it all, the moment for it has passed. I remember having to stop it to play Cherokee a few times in high school. And probably my most vivid memory of that song is the fight with Central breaking out in the middle of it my sophomore year. When I was in school, several members of the band felt it was cursed; it seemed like something bad happened every time we played it. I don't know if that's still the feeling or not.

Get them the next time you're down there. You won't regret it.

Oh, I didn't think about them. Ever had the armadillo eggs? Fried jalapenos stuffed with chipped beef. I'm salivating in my office just thinking about it.

This question has a lot of moving parts. Best Tex-Mex? The original Tequila's on Gulfway in Port Arthur (not the spinoffs). I have yet to find a flameado anywhere that's as good, and their fajitas adavado are excellent. Best Italian? My grandmother and great aunt were Colichia's fans and are rolling in their graves to hear me say this, but Tuscany's on FM 365. The toretllini alfredo is very good. Still partial to Colichia's spaghetti sauce, though. Best Cajun/seafood? The Schooner. Surf and turf with a side of the best potatoes au gratin you'll find anywhere. But boy, do I miss Esther's. Floyd's and Judice's are also really good. Best BBQ? I'm partial to Billy Joe's on Magnolia. A sliced beef sandwich always hits the spot. Though if you're ever in Austin, Terry Black's is the best barbecue restaurant on the planet. Best sandwich? Woogie's in Vidor. Literally anything on the menu. That place puts Thundercloud Subs in Austin to shame. The hipsters don't know what they're talking about. Best burger? Any Hamburger Depot will do. I like the swiss burger, though the patty melt is good, too. Peggy's out on the bayou in Bridge City used to make a mean burger on jalepeno bread, too. Best all around? Next time you're at San Jacinto, try the Monument Inn down the road from the Battleship Texas. Simple as it seems, the chicken alfredo puts a lot of five star Italian dishes to shame. They serve these awesome cinnamon buns with raisins to every table, too. Great food and a great view to boot. One thing's for sure: no matter what people on the West End tell you, Beaumont does not have a monopoly on the best food in Southeast Texas.

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It's called losing with humility. PN-G learned how to do it after Huntsville. There's an old quote about it. "It's awfully important to win with humility. It's also important to lose. I hate to lose worse than anyone, but if you never lose you won't know how to act. If you lose with humility, then you can come back." You might have heard of the guy who said it. His name's Bear Bryant. Point is, kudos on showing up after losing, but the more you try to spit the crow back at the victor, the more bitter it's going to taste. Bringing up Crosby quarterbacks from ten years ago - who also lost to PN-G in 2008, 2009 and 2010 by a combined 62 points - doesn't do you much good in a discussion about a PN-G quarterback who got his All American jersey today.

Not taking those back-to-back losses well, are you?