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That Dallas superiority complex does not deal well with defeat. And this carries over to a lot of other things in life far beyond sports.

PN-G didn’t schedule one beforehand.

Silsbee’s always one of the best teams in 4ADII. Even if young, y’all will have the talent to be competitive.

You’re decking the halls with that non-district schedule. “fa la la la la”

The 2023 season has been over for four days now, so naturally, it's time to talk about the 2024 season. Post-realignment, who do you want your team to play in pre-district during the 2024-25 seasons? I'll start. For PN-G, in order of preference, I want: Port Arthur Memorial; Silsbee; Barbers Hill; Jasper; and/or West Orange-Stark. I suspect PN-G will be in a weaker (though possibly larger) district next year, so I want a more thorough pre-district test to prepare us for the playoffs.

A popular student athlete unexpectedly passed away two days prior to the game.

I don't wholly disagree with this statement, but I will make two counterpoints. First, the 2009 Indians could have won the state championship. Had it not been for a bad first half against Brenham played under the worst circumstances imaginable, I continue to believe today that PN-G would have played for the state championship that year, and would have had a very real shot at beating Aledo. Joe Dale Cary left after 2010, and the PN-G defense never recovered under Faircloth's leadership. That was the factor Faircloth was really missing, in my opinion. Second, offense may be entertaining for the fans, but I believe a strong defense is a huge factor in fan engagement, at least in any way that impacts the game. Most fans know not to be too loud when their team is on offense to avoid disrupting the snap count, and to be very loud when their team is on defense specifically because they want to disrupt the snap count or force other mistakes. Fans with confidence in a good defense are more likely to participate in that way, which in turn helps make the defense more successful, in turn boosting fan confidence in the defense. In short, they feed off of each other. For the Indians, the proof was in the pudding this year. The Indian Faithful were louder and more involved in the game this year than I can remember them being at any point post-2009.

We’re ready.

We keep having this debate over talent versus coaching. I personally think the right coaching is the most important factor in the success of any program, but I also think we shouldn't ignore the interplay between the two. As I stated in another thread, the best coaches find a way to get the most out of their kids, whether they've got a ton of talent or none. To be clear, I'm not just referring to motivation, or discipline, or execution, or community support and program culture, or adapting a system and a playbook around the personnel. I'm also referring to player development. A strong strength and conditioning regimen is an important part of any successful football program. Some programs are much better at developing their talent than others. If we're being honest, that's Nick Saban's secret sauce. When Saban brought in Scott Cochran to revolutionize the Alabama weight room shortly after Saban arrived in Tuscaloosa, Alabama became a championship contender in two seasons. Kirby Smart lured Cochran to Georgia to do the same thing plus coach special teams, and then Georgia won back-to-back national championships in Cochran's second and third seasons in Athens. Many Alabama fans, myself included, felt Cochran's absence in Tuscaloosa was the missing factor during the last few seasons when we seemed to lose some of our intensity. Coach Joseph will be the first person to tell you PN-G's success under his tenure started in the Indians' weight room during spring training. My point is, good coaching will develop talent to realize its full athletic potential. Granted, that relies upon some stock level of talent at the start of the process. Without that development, however, the potential is never reached, and that is almost entirely a factor of coaching.

Most veteran PN-G fans will tell you the problem in the latter years of Ethridge's tenure was that he lost his coordinators and his best position coaches and couldn't find strong candidates to replace them.

Alright, I think that's enough. Rule 15 of the SETXSports rules prohibits the posting of unsubstantiated rumors. The original subject of this thread is completely unsubstantiated and, based on my own research, verifiably false. The speculation about the future of Nederland's runningback is also unsubstantiated. This thread will be locked. I look forward to what Jeff Joseph will do with the Port Neches-Groves Indians in 2024 and beyond.

For what it's worth, PN-GISD briefly considered becoming an open enrollment district circa 2010 for financial reasons. The community adamantly opposed the idea, and I believe it still would. Personally, I'm not a fan of the idea, either.

Earlier this year, the Texas Legislature made the disclosure of an individual’s address or telephone number online with intent to harm or cause a threat of harm a crime. I understand the ref in question is a local dentist. If you know him, send him this link: [Hidden Content] If he feels credibly threatened, he should contact local law enforcement.

It was a Houston Chapter crew. I wonder how many refs who live in Dallas called SOC games this year. 🙄

There was a woman in purple at the championship yesterday holding up a sign that read, “Our coach is hotter than yours!” Jeff Joseph could get any single woman in SETX he wants, and probably more married and attached women than we’d like to admit.

Same goes for Coach McDaniel.

After some discussion earlier today, I am far less concerned about this thread than I was at 11 o’clock last night. I am looking forward to watching Coach Joseph continue to man the helm of this program for the foreseeable future. 😎

Ethridge stuck with the Indians for ten years.

Saban went 12-2 in his second season at Alabama almost entirely with recruits he inherited from Mike Shula. He won a national championship in his third season at Alabama with a quarterback Shula recruited and red-shirted. Saban will tell you the reason he wasn’t successful at Miami was because of the mentality in the NFL. The players were older and not as coachable. Between that and the team owner, he felt like he was managing egos, not coaching a team. It’s why he was adamant with the Alabama boosters that he runs the program and nobody else from day one at Alabama. He accepted the offer from Mal Moore on that condition. He doesn’t think he would be successful anywhere in the NFL.

I think you’re misunderstanding my point. I’m not saying he wouldn’t have talent at Katy. I’m saying he wouldn’t have a monopoly on talent at Katy, and he would have difficulty achieving his father’s level of success without it. We’re already seeing this. His father’s name has been established for decades. Gary Joseph has multiple state titles to his name. Where’s the more recent success been? Katy Paetow. Is Katy enjoying the success it used to have? No. Why? Because new high schools are popping up all over Katy ISD. The talent’s being siphoned away. Putting up mailboxes isn’t so easy when schools are being rezoned left and right and the kids are getting bussed across town every time a new bond passes or a new subdivision is built. That’s not so in the Golden Triangle. Buy a home anywhere in PN-GISD, and there’s no question what school your kids are going to or what team they’re playing on. That makes the proposition all the more attractive, in a way I don’t think it ever really can be again in the Houston area.

One more note that I think is worth adding: PN-G is the only program in SETX to make it past the fourth round the last two seasons. If I'm not mistaken, it's the only large school program in the area to do so since 2018. We have other programs in the area that I think are on the cusp (e.g., Memorial, Silsbee, Jasper, Newton, Hamshire-Fannett, and Lumberton) or have some potential if they can figure some things out (e.g., Nederland, WO-S, and maybe Vidor or LC-M), but for the moment, PN-G is the Golden Triangle's standard bearer in high school football. There is potential for PN-G to enter a golden age akin to what WO-S was able to achieve under Dan Hooks and Cornell Thompson. If you're the parent of a Golden Triangle-area child with tons of athletic potential in a district where he either won't have the opportunity to start a la Roschon Johnson, or won't play for a successful program a la the Beaumont schools, what are the other area schools you're going to look at as a potential landing spot? Right now, PN-G should probably be at the top of that list. As previously mentioned, that won't be the case in Katy ISD with all the new schools opening. In short, there is an opportunity available at PN-G that I don't think exists at very many other schools in the state. I think Joseph and company realize that at some level.

When even DCTF is defending the refs, you know South Dallas has no case to prosecute. It was a good call. PN-G won, fair and square.

This. And I think both Coach Josephs know that. But I also don't think the elder Coach Joseph is retiring any time soon.

This is the most ridiculous statement I've ever read on this site. And that's saying something. Talent is a key ingredient for a successful football program. Having talent isn't important so much as being able to make the most of the talent you have. The best coaches are the ones who utilize their players' talent and abilities to their full potential. Coaches like Coach Todd and Coach Joseph are very good at developing the talent they have available to them. The proof is in the pudding; West Brook's talent level didn't magically evaporate when Coach Peevey left. There is no coach anywhere in the sport more capable of maximizing his players' potential than Nick Saban. If he were coaching at West Brook or United, Beaumont wouldn't have enough trophy cabinets to fit all the accolades he'd bring home.

I've noticed a similar change in the dynamic among the fans, too. Y'all know I went to Alabama. At Alabama, there's immense social pressure to never rush the field or go overboard in response to a win. The crowds will get very involved at key moments in the game, but after the win, it's three rounds of "Rammer Jammer" and then we exit the stadium in an efficient and orderly fashion. The general response an Alabama fan will give you if you ask about it is something along the lines of, we don't get overly excited about any one win because we always expect to win. Perfection, competing for a championship perennially and consistent, disciplined execution are the norm there. Whether it's an out-of-conference game or a national championship, winning is our business. We act like we've been there before because we have been there before, we're there now and we know we'll be back there again a bunch more in the future. It's nice to see that culture shift take hold at PN-G.