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[quote name="Bulldog8" post="1301644" timestamp="1350355776"] [quote author=football04 link=topic=104733.msg1301630#msg1301630 date=1350355189] I started to chime in on this but I figured you had it 8. [/quote] I know... Ok, I guess I will say it, I have current freshman that was on that CO team that lives with me. [/quote] Well in that case, good luck to him on Thursday. 8)

[quote name="bigdog" post="1301646" timestamp="1350355904"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104664.msg1301628#msg1301628 date=1350355103] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301605#msg1301605 date=1350354362] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104664.msg1301557#msg1301557 date=1350351033] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301553#msg1301553 date=1350350550] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104664.msg1301481#msg1301481 date=1350346484] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301479#msg1301479 date=1350346282] I guess you have to have something to hold on to.  You might want to erase the last 15 years, at least as far Nederland goes. :) [/quote] I'm fine with y'all having those fifteen years. If we erase those, we erase some of our own best seasons (1999, 2003, 2007, 2009 and 2010 come to mind). Besides, it'll take at least 15 more for Nederland to catch up to us in MCM, and Neumann has to retire some time. ;D [/quote] You can always hope :) [/quote] How old is Neumann, anyways? He's got to be in the mid to late 50s. [/quote] Don't know, but  if he's like Hooks, he might coach into his 70s. [/quote] Depends. Once you get past the 40 year mark in Texas public education, it's costing you money to stay on payroll because of the way the retirement system is structured. If he sticks around, it'll solely be for the love of the game. [/quote] Not true.  They take your best three year average.  My mother has passed the 40 year mark and is still going strong. [/quote] Yes, and they give you 2.3% of that average for every year you work. But there comes a point where the retirement salary exceeds the active salary minus payroll taxes (it's either the 40 year mark or the 41). So in that sense, you actually take a pay raise by retiring, which conversely means you're losing money by not retiring after that point.

[quote name="dustoff03" post="1301637" timestamp="1350355313"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104664.msg1301628#msg1301628 date=1350355103] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301605#msg1301605 date=1350354362] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104664.msg1301557#msg1301557 date=1350351033] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301553#msg1301553 date=1350350550] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104664.msg1301481#msg1301481 date=1350346484] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301479#msg1301479 date=1350346282] I guess you have to have something to hold on to.  You might want to erase the last 15 years, at least as far Nederland goes. :) [/quote] I'm fine with y'all having those fifteen years. If we erase those, we erase some of our own best seasons (1999, 2003, 2007, 2009 and 2010 come to mind). Besides, it'll take at least 15 more for Nederland to catch up to us in MCM, and Neumann has to retire some time. ;D [/quote] You can always hope :) [/quote] How old is Neumann, anyways? He's got to be in the mid to late 50s. [/quote] Don't know, but  if he's like Hooks, he might coach into his 70s. [/quote] Depends. Once you get past the 40 year mark in Texas public education, it's costing you money to stay on payroll because of the way the retirement system is structured. If he sticks around, it'll solely be for the love of the game. [/quote] sounds like your hoping for a Nueman exit soon? ;D [/quote] Not really. The topic came up and I just wasn't sure how old he was. Like I said, if he sticks around, you know he really enjoys the job.

[quote name="BigRed42" post="1301602" timestamp="1350354296"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104723.msg1301491#msg1301491 date=1350347376] [quote author=Bulldog8 link=topic=104723.msg1301489#msg1301489 date=1350347196] [quote author=NDNation link=topic=104723.msg1301486#msg1301486 date=1350346767] [quote author=Bulldog8 link=topic=104723.msg1301467#msg1301467 date=1350345297] [quote author=NDNation link=topic=104723.msg1301095#msg1301095 date=1350318470] Nothing like smack talking with some facts...cant make me eat crow for that. ;D 1. They haven't had a shut-out against PN-G since 1988. (seen some predicting one this year---good luck with that...Ned has only shut PN-G out 10 times since 1925...on the other hand they have went home empty handed 21 times) 2. Their longest winning streak in MCM is 3 yrs. (just cant seem to get over that hump and make it 4 in a row.) 3. They let PN-G whip that butt 15 yrs in a row. 4. And last but not least...Nederland may have bragging rights for another year...but we have them overall. Nederland would have to beat us 15 yrs in a row to catch up with PN-Gs winning tradition. The series is 48 PN-G 33 Nederland  7 Tied  (5 years we didnt compete). [/quote] I love MCM... BUT one of your "joe Biden" facts are wrong... guess which one? Hint -Which suprises me if are truly PNG fan. [/quote] Sorry..miss counted..Nederland has only shut us out 9 times...I was at work and had to count fast. [/quote] Nope, try again... another hint, the 4 season the streak was broken [/quote] 1954 through 1957 - a period which included a state championship appearance and a state title for PN-G and a [b]state championship appearance for Nederland[/b], if I'm not mistaken. [/quote] Nederland won their state championship in '57, made it to the finals in '56 and lost 3-0. PNG got a trophy in '55, made it to the finals in '54 but lost. Both had similar paths in consecutive years from '54-'57. PNG also got another state championship in '53 before the era of domination by MCM teams, I guess you could include that '53 year along with the years from '54-'57. [/quote] I knew about '57, but I was thinking the other Nederland appearances were in '61 and '58 for some reason.

[quote name="bigdog" post="1301605" timestamp="1350354362"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104664.msg1301557#msg1301557 date=1350351033] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301553#msg1301553 date=1350350550] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104664.msg1301481#msg1301481 date=1350346484] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301479#msg1301479 date=1350346282] I guess you have to have something to hold on to.  You might want to erase the last 15 years, at least as far Nederland goes. :) [/quote] I'm fine with y'all having those fifteen years. If we erase those, we erase some of our own best seasons (1999, 2003, 2007, 2009 and 2010 come to mind). Besides, it'll take at least 15 more for Nederland to catch up to us in MCM, and Neumann has to retire some time. ;D [/quote] You can always hope :) [/quote] How old is Neumann, anyways? He's got to be in the mid to late 50s. [/quote] Don't know, but  if he's like Hooks, he might coach into his 70s. [/quote] Depends. Once you get past the 40 year mark in Texas public education, it's costing you money to stay on payroll because of the way the retirement system is structured. If he sticks around, it'll solely be for the love of the game.

[quote name="Bulldog8" post="1301601" timestamp="1350354273"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104733.msg1301582#msg1301582 date=1350353117] [quote author=Bulldog8 link=topic=104733.msg1301581#msg1301581 date=1350353046] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104733.msg1301564#msg1301564 date=1350352113] [quote author=Bulldog8 link=topic=104733.msg1301473#msg1301473 date=1350345645] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104733.msg1301318#msg1301318 date=1350332565] The freshman team is very good. I expect both games to be competitive, but I'm confident the freshman team will pull out the win (knock on wood). On JV, I think it could go either way. [/quote] PNG freshman has never defeated Nederland Freshman in football or any other sport. I hope that tradition continues  ;D. PNG freshman has a great QB and some goods kids, looking forward to a high scoring "fun" game. [/quote] You mean this particular freshman class? That's not entirely true. Both the PNMS and GMS 8th grade A teams beat the Central team badly (by 40 points in the Warriors' case) and both barely lost to CO Wilson. [/quote] Ok, I stand corrected, I was not thinking of Central. I disagree with barely losing to CO. Both games IMO, were never realy in questions. I do think PN and G merger helped better than Central and CO merger. It will fun to watch Thursday [/quote] As I understand it, both teams lost by less than a touchdown. Maybe the game wasn't as close as the score indicates, but I guess we'll find out Thursday. [/quote] CO beat Groves 40 something to 12 or 18, dont remeber the PN score but it was by 2 or 3 td's [/quote] ... I have a current freshman player that says otherwise, but ok....

[quote name="Bulldog8" post="1301584" timestamp="1350353373"] [quote author=football04 link=topic=104723.msg1301566#msg1301566 date=1350352288] [quote author=Bulldog8 link=topic=104723.msg1301489#msg1301489 date=1350347196] [quote author=NDNation link=topic=104723.msg1301486#msg1301486 date=1350346767] [quote author=Bulldog8 link=topic=104723.msg1301467#msg1301467 date=1350345297] [quote author=NDNation link=topic=104723.msg1301095#msg1301095 date=1350318470] Nothing like smack talking with some facts...cant make me eat crow for that. ;D 1. They haven't had a shut-out against PN-G since 1988. (seen some predicting one this year---good luck with that...Ned has only shut PN-G out 10 times since 1925...on the other hand they have went home empty handed 21 times) 2. Their longest winning streak in MCM is 3 yrs. (just cant seem to get over that hump and make it 4 in a row.) 3. They let PN-G whip that butt 15 yrs in a row. 4. And last but not least...Nederland may have bragging rights for another year...but we have them overall. Nederland would have to beat us 15 yrs in a row to catch up with PN-Gs winning tradition. The series is 48 PN-G 33 Nederland  7 Tied  (5 years we didnt compete). [/quote] I love MCM... BUT one of your "joe Biden" facts are wrong... guess which one? Hint -Which suprises me if are truly PNG fan. [/quote] Sorry..miss counted..Nederland has only shut us out 9 times...I was at work and had to count fast. [/quote] Nope, try again... another hint, the 84 season the streak was broken [/quote] Well, don't leave us hanging. [/quote] I was waiting for the PNG faithful to answer. 1984 season the dogs snapped a 20 year losing streak (not 15, I hate to add 5 years). He might have been thinking a shorter streak because there was a game a few years before that the refs called winning TD catch and the ball skipped about 5 yards and the dogs lost on that call. I think you were there 04 [/quote] It's 15 if you only count PN-G wins. Counting a couple ties in the '60s, PN-G technically didn't lose a game for 19 straight seasons.

[quote name="Bulldog8" post="1301581" timestamp="1350353046"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104733.msg1301564#msg1301564 date=1350352113] [quote author=Bulldog8 link=topic=104733.msg1301473#msg1301473 date=1350345645] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104733.msg1301318#msg1301318 date=1350332565] The freshman team is very good. I expect both games to be competitive, but I'm confident the freshman team will pull out the win (knock on wood). On JV, I think it could go either way. [/quote] PNG freshman has never defeated Nederland Freshman in football or any other sport. I hope that tradition continues  ;D. PNG freshman has a great QB and some goods kids, looking forward to a high scoring "fun" game. [/quote] You mean this particular freshman class? That's not entirely true. Both the PNMS and GMS 8th grade A teams beat the Central team badly (by 40 points in the Warriors' case) and both barely lost to CO Wilson. [/quote] Ok, I stand corrected, I was not thinking of Central. I disagree with barely losing to CO. Both games IMO, were never realy in questions. I do think PN and G merger helped better than Central and CO merger. It will fun to watch Thursday [/quote] As I understand it, both teams lost by less than a touchdown. Maybe the game wasn't as close as the score indicates, but I guess we'll find out Thursday.

[quote name="Bulldog8" post="1301473" timestamp="1350345645"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104733.msg1301318#msg1301318 date=1350332565] The freshman team is very good. I expect both games to be competitive, but I'm confident the freshman team will pull out the win (knock on wood). On JV, I think it could go either way. [/quote] PNG freshman has never defeated Nederland Freshman in football or any other sport. I hope that tradition continues  ;D. PNG freshman has a great QB and some goods kids, looking forward to a high scoring "fun" game. [/quote] You mean this particular freshman class? That's not entirely true. Both the PNMS and GMS 8th grade A teams beat the Central team badly (by 40 points in the Warriors' case) and both barely lost to CO Wilson.

[quote name="bigdog" post="1301553" timestamp="1350350550"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104664.msg1301481#msg1301481 date=1350346484] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301479#msg1301479 date=1350346282] I guess you have to have something to hold on to.  You might want to erase the last 15 years, at least as far Nederland goes. :) [/quote] I'm fine with y'all having those fifteen years. If we erase those, we erase some of our own best seasons (1999, 2003, 2007, 2009 and 2010 come to mind). Besides, it'll take at least 15 more for Nederland to catch up to us in MCM, and Neumann has to retire some time. ;D [/quote] You can always hope :) [/quote] How old is Neumann, anyways? He's got to be in the mid to late 50s.

[quote name="tvc" post="1301492" timestamp="1350347446"] When you have been owned for the last 20 years, you have to dig deep into history to find something to crow about. [/quote] A feeling Nederland fans knew better then (you know, back in the dinosaur days of your childhood) than PN-G fans ever have. ;)

[quote name="GoDogs27" post="1301494" timestamp="1350347465"] I'd rather bark than dance around in boots with bells, chaps, a loin cloth, and feathers in my hair. All that he needs is a purple boa. THAT my friends is PRIDE....    :D [/quote] He has black under armour on under the loin cloth. As a former Nederland football player, you of all people should respect that. But hey, sometimes you have to do extreme things to get a premier spot in the Texas State History Museum. ;D

[quote name="Bulldog8" post="1301489" timestamp="1350347196"] [quote author=NDNation link=topic=104723.msg1301486#msg1301486 date=1350346767] [quote author=Bulldog8 link=topic=104723.msg1301467#msg1301467 date=1350345297] [quote author=NDNation link=topic=104723.msg1301095#msg1301095 date=1350318470] Nothing like smack talking with some facts...cant make me eat crow for that. ;D 1. They haven't had a shut-out against PN-G since 1988. (seen some predicting one this year---good luck with that...Ned has only shut PN-G out 10 times since 1925...on the other hand they have went home empty handed 21 times) 2. Their longest winning streak in MCM is 3 yrs. (just cant seem to get over that hump and make it 4 in a row.) 3. They let PN-G whip that butt 15 yrs in a row. 4. And last but not least...Nederland may have bragging rights for another year...but we have them overall. Nederland would have to beat us 15 yrs in a row to catch up with PN-Gs winning tradition. The series is 48 PN-G 33 Nederland  7 Tied  (5 years we didnt compete). [/quote] I love MCM... BUT one of your "joe Biden" facts are wrong... guess which one? Hint -Which suprises me if are truly PNG fan. [/quote] Sorry..miss counted..Nederland has only shut us out 9 times...I was at work and had to count fast. [/quote] Nope, try again... another hint, the 4 season the streak was broken [/quote] 1954 through 1957 - a period which included a state championship appearance and a state title for PN-G and a state championship appearance for Nederland, if I'm not mistaken.

[quote name="GoDogs27" post="1301487" timestamp="1350347110"] PN-G sucks... And your mascot looks like a fruitcake fairy.... [/quote] ... says a grown human being that enjoys barking like a dog. ;D

[quote name="bigdog" post="1301479" timestamp="1350346282"] I guess you have to have something to hold on to.  You might want to erase the last 15 years, at least as far Nederland goes. :) [/quote] I'm fine with y'all having those fifteen years. If we erase those, we erase some of our own best seasons (1999, 2003, 2007, 2009 and 2010 come to mind). Besides, it'll take at least 15 more for Nederland to catch up to us in MCM, and Neumann has to retire some time. ;D

[quote name="bigdog" post="1301477" timestamp="1350345871"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104664.msg1301447#msg1301447 date=1350341816] [quote author=NDNation link=topic=104664.msg1301445#msg1301445 date=1350341511] After reading a couple post...thats just sad...the Nederland fans just get to WATCH the big games being played.  :'( [/quote] We have to be fair here. In 2000, the year after our last state championship run, an impressive Nederland team suffered a heartbreaking 7-6 loss in the state semi-final to a Bay City team that won the championship that year with ease. That qualifies as a big game. But, it wasn't in front of a record-setting crowd. ;D [/quote] You know why Ned fans keep bringing this up?  Because they know it will get a rise out of you and the PNG people.    Why?  Because when the scoreboard doesn't end up going your way you can at least say " we have an attendance record".  The other question is what will happen when the record falls? ( and it will).  What will you cling to then?  BTW, Ned was in the semi-finals in 2001,  PNG was watching them in the playoffs for the next 3 years after 99. [/quote] Ok, so it was 2001. Sorry, I never saw much reason to pay attention to Nederland's history - not much there beyond the last fifteen years or so. ;D Oh wait, I forgot about Nederland's only state championship appearance back in the '60s. ;D Still, the point stands. I'm surprised you would take issue with that statement. I was trying to give Nederland its credit where it was due. And when the record falls - and yes, I know it will - we'll just go about touting the new record we set that broke it. ;D

[quote name="19Bulldog99" post="1301444" timestamp="1350341406"] This game could be close or a blowout. Stats on paper for MCM has one thing in common with camping toilet paper. Neither are worth a d**n. [/quote] Stats may not matter much, but injuries do. Rumors are floating around right now about three defensive starters being out for the game, and one has been confirmed (Riley, Nose Guard, out for surgery).

[quote name="NDNation" post="1301445" timestamp="1350341511"] After reading a couple post...thats just sad...the Nederland fans just get to WATCH the big games being played.  :'( [/quote] We have to be fair here. In 2000, the year after our last state championship run, an impressive Nederland team suffered a heartbreaking 7-6 loss in the state semi-final to a Bay City team that won the championship that year with ease. That qualifies as a big game. But, it wasn't in front of a record-setting crowd. ;D

[quote name="bigdog" post="1301429" timestamp="1350339834"] Oh, and here is a more up to date attendance record list, since the PNG site only lists up to 2006: Attendance Game Site Year 49,953 Plano vs. Port Neches-Groves, Texas Stadium 1977* 46,339 Southlake Carroll vs. Euless Trinity, Texas Stadium 2006 45,790 Highland Park vs. Waco, Cotton Bowl 1945* 45,000 Houston Washington vs. Galveston, Rice Stadium 1968 45,000 Dallas Adams vs. Richardson, Cotton Bowl 1967 43,369 Aledo vs. Manvel, Cowboys Stadium 2011* 43,321 Pearland vs. Euless Trinity, Cowboys Stadium 2010* 42,896 Southlake Carroll vs. Fort Bend Hightower, Cowboys Stadium 2011* 41,368 Katy vs. Pearland, Rice Stadium 2010 39,102 Garland vs. Katy, Astrodome 1999* 39,102 Stephenville vs. Port Neches-Groves, Astrodome 1999* 38,570 Port Neches-Groves vs. Houston Kashmere, Astrodome 1977 38,374 Plano vs. Highland Park, Texas Stadium 1980 38,000 Odessa vs. San Antonio Jefferson, Memorial Stadium (Austin) 1946 37,747 Cibolo Steele vs. Denton Guyer, Cowboys Stadium 2010* 36,000 Fort Bend Willowridge vs. Houston Yates, Rice Stadium 1988 *state championship game source: [url=[Hidden Content]] [/quote] How is that relevant? It doesn't change anything. 3 of the top 15 records (counting one tie) in high school football belong to games in which PN-G played, including the Astrodome's HS record and the Texas state record, which is widely considered to be the national record. Thanks for citing my sources, I guess.... [quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301432#msg1301432 date=1350339940] I have gone to maybe 2 games, but I didn't wear my Ned colors.  There are probably people from other schools that can say the same. [/quote] Ok, but you still weren't in purple, and they probably weren't either. And the fans of other schools that I know who have attended PN-G games were all wearing their school colors. Those include Nederland, Vidor, Ozen and Central fans, just to name a few. I can also think of two who opted for college shirts.

[quote name="bigdog" post="1301424" timestamp="1350339602"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104664.msg1301417#msg1301417 date=1350338929] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301414#msg1301414 date=1350338761] Tell you what, next time you get to the playoffs in the 3rd or 4th round, take a poll of [u]everybody[/u] in the stadium and let me know if they are actually from PNG or from another town and just wanted to take in a playoff game. :) [/quote] ??? Really? That's your response? I have to admit, I kind of expected better. If I can't prove a point without polling, neither can you. You just struck out your own point. And in any case, you still haven't responded to the fact that, if your argument was true (and I really don't think it is; you'll find some fans from other schools, but a few thousand at most), you're just crediting PN-G for being able to attract fans from across district lines. [/quote] And you made mine.  Your implication that the majority of the fans are wearing purple implied that they are PNG fans, not fans from other teams.  Not to mention the fans from the opposing team.  Also, if its a state championship game, there are no other games to attend, so people will come to see the last game.  Like you said without a poll, you can't prove that they are PNG fans.  So why keep defending it ? [/quote] ... and you can't prove that they're not without a poll. At least I have empirical evidence; you have no evidence of any kind. Answer me this: have you ever attended a PN-G game wearing purple? Has any Nederland fan? I think most would say the color purple would burn their skin and show up in black and gold, if they show up at all. I know the only Nederland fans I know that have ever come to our playoff games weren't wearing purple. And likewise, I've attended Nederland, WO-S and Vidor games wearing purple.

[quote name="bigdog" post="1301418" timestamp="1350339030"] Oh, and also,  I guess Stephenville and Plano don't have any fans that go to games either??? [/quote] Now with Plano, you might have an argument. There's varying information out there about this. I've seen fans say that PN-G had 35,000+ of those fans and there have been news articles scanned in on other sites that report similar numbers, which means Plano would have brought around 15,000. With Stephenville however, you wouldn't. I remember that crowd and their stupid little propane tanks with ball bearings in them. They had at most 5,000 of the 39,102 fans in attendance. PN-G's crowd dwarfed them.

[quote name="bigdog" post="1301414" timestamp="1350338761"] Tell you what, next time you get to the playoffs in the 3rd or 4th round, take a poll of [u]everybody[/u] in the stadium and let me know if they are actually from PNG or from another town and just wanted to take in a playoff game. :) [/quote] ??? Really? That's your response? I have to admit, I kind of expected better. If I can't prove a point without polling, neither can you. You just struck out your own point. And in any case, you still haven't responded to the fact that, if your argument was true (and I really don't think it is; you'll find some fans from other schools, but a few thousand at most), you're just crediting PN-G for being able to attract fans from across district lines.

[quote name="NDOMAKONG" post="1301408" timestamp="1350338471"] I simply stated that PNG has mostly great fans and that even a loyal following such as PNG has fair weather fans in the group.  My bad on starting the record attendance discussion, it was meant in jest, but there are a lot of folks who aren't able to Jest. [/quote] There's no offense taken here, and none intended towards you (or anyone else, for that matter). I agree with your statement; PN-G, just like every other fan base, is going to find out who's a fairweather fan and who's not during bad years. But bigdog is saying PN-G fans keep bringing this up like it's the only thing we have to tout. My only point in relation to you was that it wasn't a PN-G fan who brought it up.

[quote name="bigdog" post="1301385" timestamp="1350336970"] LOL.  You might need to get a needle for your head  and some of your PNG friends.  I guess the PNG people have to cling to something, since they will be sitting home this year.  Its funny how they have to keep bringing up a attendance record that happened over 30 years ago, and act like it was all because of PNG and not because other people in the area want to watch high school playoff games.  I see people from other schools all the time at Nederland playoff games , and I am sure that Ned fans attend other games as well. [/quote] Fact-checking seems to be pretty popular these days, so let's do a little here. First of all, the subject of this thread is PN-G fan attendance. This thread was not started by a PN-G fan. It was started by a Nederland fan. See quote below: [quote author=GoDogs27 link=topic=104664.msg1300019#msg1300019 date=1350179073] We all know the theory of PNG's fans being the most loyal and that they never leave early has been debunked after we saw the mass exodus in MCM last year when Nederland stuffed the 4th and 1 attempt. When will it happen this year?  ;) [/quote] Second, PN-G's attendance records - of which there are many - were not brought up by a PN-G fan. In fact, the subject of attendance records in particular was brought up in the second post of this thread by a different Nederland fan. See quote below: [quote author=NDOMAKONG link=topic=104664.msg1300024#msg1300024 date=1350179493] This didn't get debunked just last year.  pNG has a lot of people in the stands... a good portion are loyal, but they are as fair weather or more than everyone else.  In this thread they will point to the state attendance record, and try to shut you up. [/quote] Third, no PN-G fan here ever said that these records were set by PN-G fans alone. However, you, in raising this point, need to be aware that you're only hurting your own case; if these records totaling well over 30,000 fans indicate a strong Southeast Texas following in addition to the strong following PN-G has on its own, that says a heck of a lot about PN-G's ability to bring not only tens of thousands of its own fans, [i]but also tens of thousands of other schools' fans[/i] - more, even, then every other Southeast Texas school besides Nederland bring to their own games. Fourth, PN-G's last major attendance record was not set 30+ years ago. It was set just 13 years ago, during the memorable 1999 season. And fifth, if what you say is true and some significant portion of PN-G's substantial fan following during deep playoff years is comprised of Southeast Texas fans from other schools, why is it that in every case, the PN-G crowd is overwhelmingly purple? Generally speaking, when fans of various schools attend a game and sit with the fan base of a school different than their own, they do not wear that school's colors, but rather their own school's colors. Given this observation, the only way your argument could be true in any significant fashion is if the entire Dayton fanbase has a thing for attending PN-G playoff games, and even then the PN-G crowd would be overwhelmingly comprised of PN-G fans and alumni. So, you were saying? ;)

[quote name="bigdog" post="1301345" timestamp="1350334325"] Yeah, and all of the were from PNG, LOL. [/quote] Never said that. But be aware, that's a double-edged sword. It says a lot when PN-G not only attracts upwards of 20,000 of its own fans for deep playoff games, but also typically more fans from other SETX schools than those schools have at their own games. ;)