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[quote name="C O Wilson Bullpups" post="1301340" timestamp="1350334036"] [quote author=NDNation link=topic=104664.msg1301327#msg1301327 date=1350333280] [quote author=C O Wilson Bullpups link=topic=104664.msg1301322#msg1301322 date=1350332939] [quote author=NDOMAKONG link=topic=104664.msg1300024#msg1300024 date=1350179493] This didn't get debunked just last year.  pNG has a lot of people in the stands... a good portion are loyal, but they are as fair weather or more than everyone else.  In this thread they will point to the state attendance record, and try to shut you up. [/quote] that was over 30 yrs ago... You all had most of Southeast Texas going to those games supporting the Indians [/quote] Lets just be honest...We will out number you...any place, any time...we have two cities coming together to support 1 team. The only time you will out number us is at your Stadium. We dont need to bring up the state attendance record. [/quote] It's not the size of the dog in the fight... it is the size of the fight in the dog... So one city is enough [/quote] The size of the fight in the dog doesn't set records. Numbers do. ;D

[quote name="C O Wilson Bullpups" post="1301322" timestamp="1350332939"] [quote author=NDOMAKONG link=topic=104664.msg1300024#msg1300024 date=1350179493] This didn't get debunked just last year.  pNG has a lot of people in the stands... a good portion are loyal, but they are as fair weather or more than everyone else.  In this thread they will point to the state attendance record, and try to shut you up. [/quote] that was over 30 yrs ago... You all had most of Southeast Texas going to those games supporting the Indians [/quote] Not 30, 13. The 39,000 fans that set the Astrodome's HS record tagged along in 1999, 34,000 of which sat on PN-G's side of the dome. The national record (along with the previous Astrodome record) was the one that was set in 1977 and still stands today.

The freshman team is very good. I expect both games to be competitive, but I'm confident the freshman team will pull out the win (knock on wood). On JV, I think it could go either way.

What do I like about Nederland? Hamburger Depot. Other than that, I could take it or leave it.

[quote name="PNG Proud" post="1300991" timestamp="1350311869"] Did you mean BF? If so,  I would think his overall record is pretty darned good.  Don't know exact numbers tho. [/quote] At this point in the season, 28-14.

I would normally pick Livingston, but my gut is telling me to avoid that game for some reason this week, so give me Dayton.

[quote name="ATX31" post="1300575" timestamp="1350248602"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104657.msg1300498#msg1300498 date=1350241323] [quote author=11cbhill link=topic=104657.msg1300494#msg1300494 date=1350240899] pngbama....png is not the top job in the state, if something better comes along, i'd leave, too! [/quote] 11cbhill, don't put words in my mouth. I never said it was the top job in the state, only that there's a reason [b]52 applicants, including some of the state's most successful coaches[/b], applied for the job in 2008. [/quote] Do you happen to remeber some of those coaches names i am just curious how have there seasons have gone since the hire of faircloth [/quote] I remember Danaher and Vance because they caught the most attention, and also Mike Long. I think there was a Barbay on the list as well. There were a couple coaches with some college experience, but I don't remember who or where they were from. And of course, Coach Faircloth.

[quote name="11cbhill" post="1300494" timestamp="1350240899"] pngbama....png is not the top job in the state, if something better comes along, i'd leave, too! [/quote] 11cbhill, don't put words in my mouth. I never said it was the top job in the state, only that there's a reason 52 applicants, including some of the state's most successful coaches, applied for the job in 2008.

[quote name="PhatMack19" post="1300435" timestamp="1350237230"] I have a strategy question about Faircloth.  He has always had the philosophy that no one will play both ways.  This may work at a big school with tons of players, but shouldn't you try to get your best athletes on the field?  I know Nederland has at least 4 guys that play both ways and some others that rotate in.  Vidor does the same.  I was told that PN-G currently only has 15 guys that play defense.  That is no where near enough bodies and depth IMO and is a big reason they give up so many points. Any thoughts on this?  Is Faircloth just being hardheaded and not adapting?  I personally would try to have my best athletes on the field at all times, but what do I know. [/quote] This was explained a few years ago and I don't remember exactly what was said, but I think it was because of two reasons. The first was the potential for injury. If one of the players who plays both ways gets hurt, you've lost two starters instead of one. The other is stamina. I don't think Coach Faircloth likes wearing down starters that much. Now I tend to agree that we might need to play some kids both ways. We're not a 5A program with talent in every crevice and this year has been particularly rough. But Faircloth has been very successful three of his four years here so far, so if he thinks what he's doing is working for him, I'm not going to argue it.

[quote name="TradinUp BH" post="1300417" timestamp="1350235728"] [quote author=CAL2TEX link=topic=104657.msg1300313#msg1300313 date=1350224765] [quote author=TradinUp BH link=topic=104657.msg1300215#msg1300215 date=1350190642] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104657.msg1300213#msg1300213 date=1350190286] [quote author=TradinUp BH link=topic=104657.msg1300212#msg1300212 date=1350190158] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104657.msg1300207#msg1300207 date=1350189691] [quote author=TradinUp BH link=topic=104657.msg1300200#msg1300200 date=1350188892] Bamakid, that's extreme. I travel the state of Texas every month and outside of sets, nobody knows who PNG is. Most people in Houston don't even know. Coaches put in for jobs to scare their schools to give them more money. ie. Dahner and Liberty Hill coach when PNG job was open, and Neuman a couple years ago with applying at LaMarque. [/quote] Then you must be meeting different people than I am, because I've met people who do in New York, Washington, Florida, here in Tuscaloosa, and in several places across Texas, including Lubbock, Austin and San Antonio. And yes, many people in Houston, particularly people 40 and up who remember PN-G's numerous trips to the Astrodome. [/quote] You live in Alabama. I drive 3000 miles a month around Texas and almost every town you can think of. I promise you, your exaggerating. Come on man, PNG has some neat traditions, but it's just another high school. Once you get past Baytown, nobody cares who PNG is. Just saying. 70's are over. You weren't even born. Lol [/quote] Ok, you drive 3000 miles a month. Cool. I'm just telling you, I have met people in all of those places that have either pulled me aside because I was wearing something purple or asked me where I was from and knew exactly what I was talking about when I told them. Many also knew about TJ and WO-S and a few even knew about Nederland. [/quote] I said the miles to make point. It's really a silly argument. Remember I just moved from Port Neches, so I know all about what is talked about in the PN and Groves communities.Good luck to y'all. [/quote] Good luck in Barbies Hill. You picking arguments with kids about who may or may not have heard of PNG, coupled with throwing how many miles you drive across Texas should make you fit in perfectly in Barbers Hill. "TradinUp" ? Um.... Yeah, I'm holding my hand over my mouth trying not to giggle at that. [/quote] For the last time, the miles were said to make the point. Really don't to explain to you the reason, but I'm trying to keep it elementary for you. The name came from taking a poll when we moved what the name should be. It's all in good fun. I wasn't dissing PNG, but I can promise you I lived for a long time and could. Let's just keep it simple. If your a kid and get on here and make a blanket statement, then be ready to back it up. You must be Bamakids dad. Let it go. ;D ;D [/quote] That, sir, is an insult, because it implies that California is in my heritage. That's even worse than being form Barbers Hill. ;D No offense, Cal2Tex.

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1300406" timestamp="1350234806"] Touche. What i am arguing is that PNG isn't as known nationwide as you think. [/quote] What level of recognition we get is arbitrary, hard to judge and even harder to argue about. Unless we're going to start scientific polling across the country, there's no way to determine that. The fact that a high school gets any is what's worth mentioning. [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=104657.msg1300407#msg1300407 date=1350234840] whats a png? never heard of a png. sounds like a train injun.  ;D [/quote] Well, we did recently derail an L-Train....

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1300399" timestamp="1350234345"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104657.msg1300392#msg1300392 date=1350234150] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=104657.msg1300389#msg1300389 date=1350233961] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104657.msg1300379#msg1300379 date=1350233500] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=104657.msg1300339#msg1300339 date=1350229044] PNG known worldwide? Now that's funny. Might wanna take off the purple glasses there bamakid. I've been in every state in the nation because of either the navy or vacations and i've met more people who knew vidor then png. Wasn't because of football but still. PNG who? Gimme a break.  ::) We'll see what your saying after Vidor's homecoming. [/quote] I never said PN-G was recognized worldwide, I said we have a certain extent of nationwide recognition. I can back that up with plenty of personal experience. I also said that TJ and WO-S get a similar amount of recognition, and that Nederland gets some as well. And if Vidor's getting attention for something besides football, all I can say is that I'm sorry. ;D [/quote] Just pointing out what i have experienced outside of SETX. PNG isn't really that known. I have yet to meet someone outside of SETX that knows PNG and i've been to plenty of places. [/quote] Then you must be talking to different people than I am, because I've met plenty. I've been pulled aside wearing purple or had people start talking about the Indians upon mentioning that I was from Port Neches. I've cited plenty of specific examples, and I'm not the only one hear who has mentioned that some of our local high schools are recognized outside of Southeast Texas. PN-G is recognized. It's just the God's honest truth. [/quote] Yes they are recognized. But not as much as you think. Yes you have been pulled aside several times but there are times i've talked football with many people from the likes of Virginia, Oklahoma, Florida, Louisiana, New York, Arkansas, Tennessee, West Virginia, and many more other state and never has someone recognized the name png but 3 times has people recognized Vidor. Vidor is recognized too. It's just the God's honest truth. [/quote] I never said Vidor doesn't get any recognition. Actually, I've met people who knew about the "Oh My God He Gots A Knife" YouTube video. My only point here is that PN-G has a significant amount of recognition outside of Southeast Texas, and I never said that was all due to football. In fact, the Cleveland store owner I mentioned knew us because of the band.

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1300389" timestamp="1350233961"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104657.msg1300379#msg1300379 date=1350233500] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=104657.msg1300339#msg1300339 date=1350229044] PNG known worldwide? Now that's funny. Might wanna take off the purple glasses there bamakid. I've been in every state in the nation because of either the navy or vacations and i've met more people who knew vidor then png. Wasn't because of football but still. PNG who? Gimme a break.  ::) We'll see what your saying after Vidor's homecoming. [/quote] I never said PN-G was recognized worldwide, I said we have a certain extent of nationwide recognition. I can back that up with plenty of personal experience. I also said that TJ and WO-S get a similar amount of recognition, and that Nederland gets some as well. And if Vidor's getting attention for something besides football, all I can say is that I'm sorry. ;D [/quote] Just pointing out what i have experienced outside of SETX. PNG isn't really that known. I have yet to meet someone outside of SETX that knows PNG and i've been to plenty of places. [/quote] Then you must be talking to different people than I am, because I've met plenty. I've been pulled aside wearing purple or had people start talking about the Indians upon mentioning that I was from Port Neches. I've cited plenty of specific examples, and I'm not the only one here who has mentioned that some of our local high schools are recognized outside of Southeast Texas. PN-G is recognized. It's just the God's honest truth.

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1300339" timestamp="1350229044"] PNG known worldwide? Now that's funny. Might wanna take off the purple glasses there bamakid. I've been in every state in the nation because of either the navy or vacations and i've met more people who knew vidor then png. Wasn't because of football but still. PNG who? Gimme a break.  ::) We'll see what your saying after Vidor's homecoming. [/quote] I never said PN-G was recognized worldwide, I said we have a certain extent of nationwide recognition. I can back that up with plenty of personal experience. I also said that TJ and WO-S get a similar amount of recognition, and that Nederland gets some as well. And if Vidor's getting attention for something besides football, all I can say is that I'm sorry. ;D

[quote name="TradinUp BH" post="1300215" timestamp="1350190642"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104657.msg1300213#msg1300213 date=1350190286] [quote author=TradinUp BH link=topic=104657.msg1300212#msg1300212 date=1350190158] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104657.msg1300207#msg1300207 date=1350189691] [quote author=TradinUp BH link=topic=104657.msg1300200#msg1300200 date=1350188892] Bamakid, that's extreme. I travel the state of Texas every month and outside of sets, nobody knows who PNG is. Most people in Houston don't even know. Coaches put in for jobs to scare their schools to give them more money. ie. Dahner and Liberty Hill coach when PNG job was open, and Neuman a couple years ago with applying at LaMarque. [/quote] Then you must be meeting different people than I am, because I've met people who do in New York, Washington, Florida, here in Tuscaloosa, and in several places across Texas, including Lubbock, Austin and San Antonio. And yes, many people in Houston, particularly people 40 and up who remember PN-G's numerous trips to the Astrodome. [/quote] You live in Alabama. I drive 3000 miles a month around Texas and almost every town you can think of. I promise you, your exaggerating. Come on man, PNG has some neat traditions, but it's just another high school. Once you get past Baytown, nobody cares who PNG is. Just saying. 70's are over. You weren't even born. Lol [/quote] Ok, you drive 3000 miles a month. Cool. I'm just telling you, I have met people in all of those places that have either pulled me aside because I was wearing something purple or asked me where I was from and knew exactly what I was talking about when I told them. Many also knew about TJ and WO-S and a few even knew about Nederland. [/quote] I said the miles to make point. It's really a silly argument. Remember I just moved from Port Neches, so I know all about what is talked about in the PN and Groves communities.Good luck to y'all. [/quote] Yeah, I know. You went to Barbers Hill (congratulations to your wife, by the way). And I'm sure you know what's talked about in Port Neches and Groves, but I don't see how that's relevant. All I'm saying is that I have been in many places where I, without even initiating anything on my own, have met people who knew where Port Neches is and who the Indians are. And by the way, if you want a specific example from beyond Baytown, stop in at the toy shop in downtown Cleveland (providing the economy hasn't claimed it as a victim) and ask the guy who owns it about PN-G. He didn't even know us because of the football team, he knew us because of the band. Stop in and ask someone at the Chamber of Commerce in San Antonio. They told us to call ahead if we ever went back after the DCTF classic because they'd dye the riverwalk purple for us. I was also pulled aside by a family in a downtown San Antonio hotel to talk about PN-G because they recognized the logo on my band bag, and they were from Abilene. Go to Disney World. I was with a friend who held a conversation with a woman from Kansas there that recognized the Indian logo immediately, and the employees probably still remember us after we turned the Magic Kingdom purple for a day (I think they even used pictures of the crowd that came with us to advertise their high school band outreach program). Heck, come out to Tuscaloosa. I've been stopped three times here, and two of the guys weren't from Texas. In fact, I had a guy pull me aside because of my letter jacket on my first visit out here, and he was from Montgomery (Alabama, not Texas). I had another guy from Southlake who knew us because of the 1977 attendance record - apparently, that's been a subject of discussion up there lately. In Houston, I've been at banquets where people automatically started talking about watching PN-G in the Astrodome more than once when I said I was from Port Neches and I've had conversations with random people on my way out in Hobby Airport. The bottom line is, people know PN-G. When you bring 34,000 fans to a football game, play the fight song over and over again, field highly competitive student groups in more than just athletics and set more than one of the state's top ten attendance records, you leave an impression. People don't forget stuff like that and word gets around. Sometimes it surprises even me.

[quote name="TradinUp BH" post="1300212" timestamp="1350190158"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104657.msg1300207#msg1300207 date=1350189691] [quote author=TradinUp BH link=topic=104657.msg1300200#msg1300200 date=1350188892] Bamakid, that's extreme. I travel the state of Texas every month and outside of sets, nobody knows who PNG is. Most people in Houston don't even know. Coaches put in for jobs to scare their schools to give them more money. ie. Dahner and Liberty Hill coach when PNG job was open, and Neuman a couple years ago with applying at LaMarque. [/quote] Then you must be meeting different people than I am, because I've met people who do in New York, Washington, Florida, here in Tuscaloosa, and in several places across Texas, including Lubbock, Austin and San Antonio. And yes, many people in Houston, particularly people 40 and up who remember PN-G's numerous trips to the Astrodome. [/quote] You live in Alabama. I drive 3000 miles a month around Texas and almost every town you can think of. I promise you, your exaggerating. Come on man, PNG has some neat traditions, but it's just another high school. Once you get past Baytown, nobody cares who PNG is. Just saying. 70's are over. You weren't even born. Lol [/quote] Ok, you drive 3000 miles a month. Cool. I'm just telling you, I have met people in all of those places that have either pulled me aside because I was wearing something purple or asked me where I was from and knew exactly what I was talking about when I told them. Many also knew about TJ and WO-S and a few even knew about Nederland.

[quote name="TradinUp BH" post="1300200" timestamp="1350188892"] Bamakid, that's extreme. I travel the state of Texas every month and outside of sets, nobody knows who PNG is. Most people in Houston don't even know. Coaches put in for jobs to scare their schools to give them more money. ie. Dahner and Liberty Hill coach when PNG job was open, and Neuman a couple years ago with applying at LaMarque. [/quote] Then you must be meeting different people than I am, because I've met people who do in New York, Washington, Florida, here in Tuscaloosa, and in several places across Texas, including Lubbock, Austin and San Antonio. And yes, many people in Houston, particularly people 40 and up who remember PN-G's numerous trips to the Astrodome. As for whether or not the coaches were trying to scare their districts into more money, that might be true in Vance's case, but I don't think it was in Danaher's.

[quote name="Trocket" post="1300044" timestamp="1350180841"] [quote author=football04 link=topic=104657.msg1300041#msg1300041 date=1350180497] your giving your town way to much credit, to most people outside of southeast texas it stinks around here, and while your facilities are nice by southeast texas standards, there are lots of places with better facilities than png, there are alot of places Faircloth would go besides Lake Travis or Southlake. That purple haze is clouding your thoughts. [/quote]Lol, easy up on him ;D ;) [/quote] I know reading comprehension is something of a foreign concept to the specific breed of 20-4A fan that loves to dog PN-G at every given opportunity, so let me break this down for y'all. First of all, I said programs [i]such as[/i] Lake Travis and Southlake Carrol. That means that these aren't the only two possible programs Faircloth would like to move on to some day, but rather that Faircloth would only be looking at programs of similar caliber with some leeway for programs close to his family. Second, I [i]live[/i] outside of Southeast Texas, and I am extensively well traveled around the state of Texas with many contacts in many places. I know exactly what people think about Southeast Texas from the outside. I also know that PN-G's facilities, in particular the new, 13,000 seat, artificial turf stadium and the fieldhouse, are first class by any standard - not just the Southeast Texas standard - and that there are very few schools out there that, for football or whatever reason, have recognition statewide and even nationwide to a certain extent, and that this is a distinction that PN-G proudly holds. Again, this is something I know [u][b]living[/b][/u] and frequently travelling outside of Southeast Texas. Third, I am well aware - perhaps more than I should be - of the ills of the PN-G community and Southeast Texas at large, and I know exactly how much credit they do or do not deserve. For all the crap people give the Golden Triangle and the PN-G community in particular, there is a lot to be admired in that humidity-laiden strip of Texas marsh flat, and it will never cease to amaze me how many people comment negatively on it with no idea of what they've got or what they're talking about. Obviously, I'm not the only one who recognizes the opportunities down there; Coach Faircloth, who was working at [u]Odessa Permian[/u], and a whole bunch of top-notch coaches from stellar programs jumped at the opportunity to work on the Reservation and compete in Southeast Texas high school football not even four years ago, including the likes of Calallen's Phil Danaher - the most successful active high school football coach in the state of Texas by wins - and Liberty Hill's Jerry Vance. People have been saying Faircloth would leave since the day after he got here. So far he hasn't, and he's not going to any time soon. The one time he even tried to leave, it was to go to an already prominent Kerrville Tivy that was close to home. I know memories of 2009 and what Brandon Faircloth can do when he has talent at his command scare some people into praying he'll leave so hard that they eventually believe it will happen tomorrow, but the reality of the situation is that Brandon Faircloth will be at PN-G for the foreseeable future. You might as well accept it, and move on. [quote author=jake94 link=topic=104657.msg1300055#msg1300055 date=1350181579] Some good points. I don't think he is going anywhere right now either. But, it should be noted that the freshman and JV teams were very good last year too and it does not always equate to Varsity success. [/quote] That's true. And it's also true that when these seniors were freshmen, they went 1-9. Part of the problem has been, at least in my opinion, moving certain players in certain positions up too soon. When fans were talking about bringing Walker up to varsity earlier this season, one of the comments that popped up on here a lot was that we might be making a similar mistake that some feel was made with AJ by moving him up too early. Last year, AJ sat on the sidelines virtually the whole season while Miller led the team on the field, and many people (myself included) felt that he may have benefited more from playing a full extra year on JV to get that extra experience under his belt rather than suiting up with the varsity squad to sit on the bench. We heard similar comments the year before when Miller showed some early struggle after sitting on the bench behind Doty for a whole year, but Miller grew into his own very quickly. On the other hand, though, our defense two years ago improved almost overnight when players were brought up several weeks into the season from the then-undefeated JV team. That's just my opinion that isn't worth squat and I'm not trying to play arm-chair coach, but it did take about three or four games before AJ really came into his own and the season has been rocky as a result. It'll be interesting to see how that situation affects PN-G's QB choice in the coming seasons; Walker has a lot of promise and the freshman QB (can't remember his name) has been very impressive.

So let me get this straight. Faircloth interviewed for one school in the town where his wife's family lives that's only about a hundred miles from his hometown (where his family still lives), and all of the sudden he must be looking to get away from PN-G at all costs because there's no possible way he could win in the coming years with the supposed lack of talent (keyword being supposed) on a JV team that's 5-1 and a Freshman Purple team that's 6-0. Or, in other words, Faircloth has no commitment to PN-G because there's supposedly little talent rising through the ranks, despite the fact that he's spent four years here building a program from top to bottom (by that, I don't just mean high school) that is already bearing fruit at the lower levels. Right. ::) Faircloth is going to be at PN-G for the foreseeable future. He's done a fine job so far, the community wants him there and he's working in some of the finest facilities in the state in front of the largest high school fanbase in the state, arguably the nation. The only way I see Faircloth leaving is if he can get on as HC at an already prominent program such as Lake Travis or Southlake Carrol, and that's realistically not going to happen until he has strung together some deep playoff runs.

Good Lord. ::) Faircloth's here to stay for the next few seasons at the very least. One mediocre season (if it turns out that way) will not affect his job security and I don't think he wants to leave with the amount of talent we have coming up.

Tonight was the first time Andrew Washington's Jaguars have ever beaten Brandon Faircloth's Indians. Soulja, I know you have disagreements with the coaching at Central. What say you?

[quote name="bigdog" post="1298955" timestamp="1350101022"] Hey!!  my thread wasn't official enough? [/quote] This is Mid-County Madness - the state's fiercest rivalry. One thread is never enough. ;D

56-50 Central - Final

Mid-County Madness Week 2012 is upon us.

Central comes up with an interception. That's the game. Congratulations, Jaguars, and you still put on a great game, Indians.