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I realized earlier today that the last time PN-G played Silsbee, it was at Silsbee the day after Hurricane Humberto hit. Funny how this game will take place shortly after the landfall of another hurricane.

[quote name="TradinUp BH" post="1254028" timestamp="1346266713"] I'll never forget when we first moved to mid county and my oldest was in Kindergarden. The first day of school he came home and said guess what I learned today at school? I was thinking couty, spelling, etc.. He said they taught us [b]"Cherokee". [/b] The next day he comes home with a feather, and I asked where he got it from. The response [b]"Indian Spirit". [/b] I told him to throw it away before he gets the swine flu. The next day he comes home and he's wearing a beaded necklace and I'm like what the heck is going on at school. Response was it's [b]Wampum beads![/b] After 14 years there, I've finally got the purple cloud out of my head and kids. Eagle Pride!  ;D [/quote] Like I said, it borders on indoctrination. They start 'em young. I'll say this though. If PN-G and BH play again anytime soon, I bet y'all will feel the urge to stand for Cherokee.

[quote name="mikelbene" post="1253921" timestamp="1346257610"] Who was responsible for Bridge City becoming the Cardinals?  I mean, seriously...what qualities does a cardinal have that we are trying to exemplify?  A voracious appetite for earthworms?  Somebody should have lost their job over that crap. [/quote] I always figured it had something to do with Lamar.

[quote name="GCMPats" post="1253988" timestamp="1346263590"] [quote author=CowboysNIndians link=topic=102189.msg1253986#msg1253986 date=1346263189] That's just funny!  You either love us or hate us, but you'll never forget us. [/quote] PN-G: The Ex-Wives of High School Football [/quote] ;D

[quote name="liltex" post="1253783" timestamp="1346245785"] Of all the games this week the 1 gm some will be keeping a eye on is PNG @ Silsbee.I say this because I remember the team Faircloth inherited.They were good & in alot of games to the wire the prior yr.on the losses they had.Next yr he has a core group of undefeated JV team moving up w'the jrs.& good group of freshmen.Now is when we see how he can reap rewards from his own coached talents.I'm not saying he's not a great coach by any means.I don't do that,not my job.Making a honest opinion 8) [/quote] I understand where you're coming from there, but the results of this season will have to be evaluated in context before their real value becomes apparent. The seniors this year, like you said, were freshmen when Faircloth first arrived. They went either 1-9 or 2-8 (can't remember which) as freshmen. Just having a winning season is improvement over that. Now, I expect them to be at least 6-4 and I expect them to make they playoffs, even if it's just by the skin of their teeth. I'm sure Coach Faircloth has high expectations of them and I know the community does. But if we really want to assess Coach Faircloth's abilities based on how this team performs because of when Coach Faircloth got here, their record in his first year has to be taken into account.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1253837" timestamp="1346249592"] It's funny that you say that.  I've came from a band background myself.  I look at the game and the other fesitvities.  I've been around, witnessed, and performed for huge crowds before.  Still, it don't really make it a 'top game'.  Not trying to drag this topic into the mud because you make some very valid points, but I don't think I'll ever understand how an 'atmosphere' makes for a top game, in my book. [/quote] I should've known you were in band. Too many thoughtful posts.... ;D [quote author=mypooh link=topic=102147.msg1253881#msg1253881 date=1346253539] I've attened both the Soul Bowl and Mid County Madness and I have to say the reason mid county madness gets my vote is the long lasting rivalry. Man the Soul Bowl is about in year 15 years old. Mid County Madness has been almost a century. Plus it's just down right hate nothing more nothing less. The one thing I can say that when the PAISD killed the TJ vs LHS it killed a top 10 game. I loved the early 90's playing PNG Nederland and LHS all in a row to start the season at TJ. [/quote] That's pretty much where I was going with it. The kids playing the Ozen-Central game now were born before that rivalry existed. It hasn't reached that point of, for lack of a better word, indoctrination that MCM has. Central and Ozen may have more talent than PN-G or Nederland (some years, way more talent), but what MCM lacks in physical talent it makes up for in intensity and motivation. The kids on the field for PN-G and Nederland have been mentally conditioning for this game since kindergarten, some since birth. There are generations of parents and grandparents that played each other with kids and grandkids that are now lining up on either side of the ball. Senior years at both schools are made and broken based on just the game. For some people, losing to the other school is what nightmares are made of. It's just ingrained into you, and it's hard to put it into words. To put it succinctly, there's a reason it's labeled madness.

I sure hope the hurricane doesn't destroy too many New Orleans restaurants. ;D Hopefully there won't be much damage overall. I think the people of Southeast Louisiana have dealt with enough since Katrina.

Prayers on the way.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1253741" timestamp="1346241283"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=102147.msg1253466#msg1253466 date=1346191251] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=102147.msg1253426#msg1253426 date=1346188731] So, with all that said, explain to me again how the MCM would be the 'better game'.  Do 'more people' and 'more turkey leg sales' account for a better game? [/quote] It depends on how you define what a game encompasses. I think atmosphere is a huge part of it. I think having a packed house of 13,000 fans contributes to that atmosphere. I think the tradition of the rivalry and both schools involved contributes to it. The history behind this game goes back almost nine decades. And of course, the competition between the two teams is a huge factor, and this is the circled date on the calendar in both fieldhouses. But I think it goes beyond the game, because Mid-County Madness is more than just a game - it doesn't begin at kickoff and end when the clock runs out. It's an ideology. The kids on the field, on the track and in the stands on both sides were raised to be at this game and to compete with each other everywhere, all the time. You go over to Nederland and look into the crayon boxes at the elementary schools, and you'll notice that there's not a single purple crayon in any of them. Why? Because their teachers had the entire class break all the purple crayons on the first day of school. You go to a Port Neches or Groves elementary school on the day of the game and you'll find stuffed bulldogs torn up and thrown across the gym at the end of the day. You drive around Mid-County on the day of the game, and you'll be able to tell what town you're in (something that most people who don't live in MC find difficult) just based on the colors the people are wearing. You'll find people from all over Mid-County arguing about plays made at this game 30+ years at any given time of the year - in one case, you'll even find one of the former head coaches writing about it in a PA News column all these years later. Heck, even if you go to the UIL meets and band competitions, you'll find PN-G and Nederland kids trying to one-up each other there, sometimes not even focusing on the rest of the competition. I can actually remember at one point my senior year - not even during the week of the game - NISD had the day off, so a bunch of Nederland band kids got together, drove to our after-school band practice, played their fight song from their cars, and then drove off. Certain sports teams - volleyball, softball, basketball and so on - that otherwise might not get much attention from either community can count on the MCM game as a sell-out - some of them even have the bands come in. I mean, seriously, how often do you see people standing in the aisles at a softball game? You do when PN-G and Nederland play. Old people around Port Neches still say that if Nederland was playing Hell, they'd be in the stands wearing red, and I'm sure some of Nederland's elderly folks say it the other way around. Former players from each team say that getting beat by the other is worse than getting your teeth kicked in. Some of them even say the rest of the season really doesn't matter and whether or not your season is successful depends entirely on whether or not you beat Nederland. Since coming here, Coach Faircloth has banned the team from speaking the word "Nederland" during game week (they're referred to only as "that other town"). I've seen people fly back from as far away as Las Vegas and drive from Dallas just to come see this game. I flew back from Alabama last year to see the game. You remember how that PN-G fan had the heart attack when Dre' Dunbar made the two-point conversion against y'all in 2009? That wasn't the first time someone's had a heart attack in the stands. The first time I know of was at Mid-County Madness the year before. You know how Aggies raise their kids to hate Longhorns and vice versa? Or how Alabama fans raise their kids to hate Auburn and vice versa and how Michigan fans raise their kids to hate Michigan State and vice versa? That's how it is with Mid-County Madness. There have been magazines that have called it the fiercest rivalry in the state, and it was mentioned as one of the state's top rivalries in the football exhibit at the Bullock Museum last year. The game doesn't just get broadcasted on two different radio stations and over the internet by both teams, it's now recorded and televised the following day. Supposedly, whoever monitors the internet broadcasts has reported hits on their site literally from all over the world. It's crazy, I know. But I don't think you'll find any PN-G or Nederland fans here who disagrees with me. I guess it's something you just have to experience to understand. [/quote]I hear what you're saying, but I don't know.  I understand the packed house deal.  I understand the off the field festivities.    I understand the love hate thing. I  understand the towns old timers chatting it up.  I understand the plane trips to see the game, and boy, do I remember that PN-G fan getting sick.  What you fail to realize is that this very same thing happens at other rivalry games, with the Soul Bowl being no exeption.  What's a 'top game'?  IMO, it's the overall experience from a fan's standpoint, wich means the amount of people in attendence plays NO factor.  I'm looking at the game.  Good football.  Players's speed, size, will to win.  I look at the halftimes.  Soul Bowl halftimes are worth the price of admission.  (you have to be there to see it).  It's almost like looking at a game on TV.  Does it really make a difference of  who's in the room with you when you're watching a top game?  (a room with a bunch of people or you watching it by your lonesome). [/quote] I'm sure it happens in other rivalries. I just think there's a reason MCM is ranked among the top of those rivalries. I guess we just look at the game differently. Not surprising that I would put emphasis on the arbitrary factors coming from a band background.

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1253701" timestamp="1346215966"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=102092.msg1253696#msg1253696 date=1346213710] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=102092.msg1253623#msg1253623 date=1346203581] not looking good for towns south of New Orleans. Heard levees are being breached, again. [/quote] I was watching the news about twenty minutes ago and they said there had been no reports of a breach. [/quote]yeah apparently one of those Parish Presidents was over-reacting. [/quote] Not surprising. But I can't say I blame them. I'd be a little gun-shy too.

[quote name="akifan94" post="1253762" timestamp="1346244137"] Has the mound ever beat PN-G in football? [/quote] No. Smoking Baby just finally figured out the Dayton jokes have gotten stale. ;D

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1253623" timestamp="1346203581"] not looking good for towns south of New Orleans. Heard levees are being breached, again. [/quote] I was watching the news about twenty minutes ago and they said there had been no reports of a breach.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1253426" timestamp="1346188731"] So, with all that said, explain to me again how the MCM would be the 'better game'.  Do 'more people' and 'more turkey leg sales' account for a better game? [/quote] It depends on how you define what a game encompasses. I think atmosphere is a huge part of it. I think having a packed house of 13,000 fans contributes to that atmosphere. I think the tradition of the rivalry and both schools involved contributes to it. The history behind this game goes back almost nine decades. And of course, the competition between the two teams is a huge factor, and this is the circled date on the calendar in both fieldhouses. But I think it goes beyond the game, because Mid-County Madness is more than just a game - it doesn't begin at kickoff and end when the clock runs out. It's an ideology. The kids on the field, on the track and in the stands on both sides were raised to be at this game and to compete with each other everywhere, all the time. You go over to Nederland and look into the crayon boxes at the elementary schools, and you'll notice that there's not a single purple crayon in any of them. Why? Because their teachers had the entire class break all the purple crayons on the first day of school. You go to a Port Neches or Groves elementary school on the day of the game and you'll find stuffed bulldogs torn up and thrown across the gym at the end of the day. You drive around Mid-County on the day of the game, and you'll be able to tell what town you're in (something that most people who don't live in MC find difficult) just based on the colors the people are wearing. You'll find people from all over Mid-County arguing about plays made at this game 30+ years at any given time of the year - in one case, you'll even find one of the former head coaches writing about it in a PA News column all these years later. Heck, even if you go to the UIL meets and band competitions, you'll find PN-G and Nederland kids trying to one-up each other there, sometimes not even focusing on the rest of the competition. I can actually remember at one point my senior year - not even during the week of the game - NISD had the day off, so a bunch of Nederland band kids got together, drove to our after-school band practice, played their fight song from their cars, and then drove off. Certain sports teams - volleyball, softball, basketball and so on - that otherwise might not get much attention from either community can count on the MCM game as a sell-out - some of them even have the bands come in. I mean, seriously, how often do you see people standing in the aisles at a softball game? You do when PN-G and Nederland play. Old people around Port Neches still say that if Nederland was playing Hell, they'd be in the stands wearing red, and I'm sure some of Nederland's elderly folks say it the other way around. Former players from each team say that getting beat by the other is worse than getting your teeth kicked in. Some of them even say the rest of the season really doesn't matter and whether or not your season is successful depends entirely on whether or not you beat Nederland. Since coming here, Coach Faircloth has banned the team from speaking the word "Nederland" during game week (they're referred to only as "that other town"). I've seen people fly back from as far away as Las Vegas and drive from Dallas just to come see this game. I flew back from Alabama last year to see the game. You remember how that PN-G fan had the heart attack when Dre' Dunbar made the two-point conversion against y'all in 2009? That wasn't the first time someone's had a heart attack in the stands. The first time I know of was at Mid-County Madness the year before. You know how Aggies raise their kids to hate Longhorns and vice versa? Or how Alabama fans raise their kids to hate Auburn and vice versa and how Michigan fans raise their kids to hate Michigan State and vice versa? That's how it is with Mid-County Madness. There have been magazines that have called it the fiercest rivalry in the state, and it was mentioned as one of the state's top rivalries in the football exhibit at the Bullock Museum last year. The game doesn't just get broadcasted on two different radio stations and over the internet by both teams, it's now recorded and televised the following day. Supposedly, whoever monitors the internet broadcasts has reported hits on their site literally from all over the world. It's crazy, I know. But I don't think you'll find any PN-G or Nederland fans here who disagrees with me. I guess it's something you just have to experience to understand.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1253411" timestamp="1346187765"] [quote]No SRO for MC fans? Even though every one of those tickets would sell? Plus you'd sell two more turkey legs for every person? Man, between this and the Walker thing, y'all just have really bad business sense.[/quote] Now you are just wrong for that!  ;D ;D [/quote] ;D

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1253408" timestamp="1346187636"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=102157.msg1253396#msg1253396 date=1346186899] Just seeing the title of this thread makes me hungry. [/quote]I'll send you a burger via mail to the great state of Alabama one day.  8)  On me. [/quote] Thanks, Soulja. :)

Just seeing the title of this thread makes me hungry.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1253308" timestamp="1346179528"] Standing room for Beamont team's fans, not MC fans.  8) ;) :D Overall talent across the board.  Central suffered with injury issues.  Even though we were horrible in the season, we played Ozen to 1 score loss (Ozen scored with less than 5 minutes left for the go ahead score).    Central is always loaded with talent and this year's Ozen team will be probably the most athletic team in Southeast Texas. [/quote] No SRO for MC fans? Even though every one of those tickets would sell? Plus you'd sell two more turkey legs for every person? Man, between this and the Walker thing, y'all just have really bad business sense. ;) ;D There's no doubt that they're loaded with talent and it could be the most competitive game played all year. I'm just saying, Mid-County Madness is always a nail-biter and the Mid-County fans are always going to set the season attendance record with that game. Even if the "Soul Bowl" sells out plus a thousand SRO tickets on each side, Indian Stadium would still hold more people.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1253255" timestamp="1346175277"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=102147.msg1253248#msg1253248 date=1346174913] [quote author=OHSNG68 link=topic=102147.msg1253244#msg1253244 date=1346174438] Why is everybody forgetting about the Central vs. Ozen Game aka "The Soul Bowl". And i'm pretty sure it will have twice the fans as any of those other games. Just sayin!!!! [/quote] No offense, but Mid-County Madness will probably have 3,000+ more fans than the "Soul Bowl." Even if your game sells out, the Butch Bowl only holds ~10,000 fans. MCM will definitely sell out and Indian Stadium seats 13,000. Not to mention that PN-G and Nederland probably have the two largest fanbases in the area (PN-G's is one of the largest in the state). Ozen and Central will play a great game, no doubt. But to say that it will out-sell MCM is reaching. [/quote]2 things here.  1. The butch holds more rans than it's capacity.  There is a lot of standing room.  2. The list is 'top games', not highest attendence.  Personally, I would prefer the game that shows better football vs. people in attendence.  More people in the stands don't necessarily make it the better game to attend.  PS.  The Central/Ozen halftime is unlike any other.  ;) 8) [/quote] Ok. What's the SRO capacity? And are you sure they can sell SRO? PN-G's played more than one sold out game at the Butch and I have yet to see an SRO area. A lot of schools (PN-G and Nederland among them) that used to sell SRO tickets stopped thanks to tighter fire ordinances. I don't know if it will be a more competitive game or not. After the way Central played last year, that's really hard to say. And Ozen really didn't come into its prime until late in the season (remember, they barely made the playoffs), so we don't know that they'll be playing to their full potential either. Granted, it's a rivalry game and both teams have a lot of talent, but talent doesn't always mean a competitive game (just ask LSU ;D) and the Orange Bowl (LC-M vs. WO-S) is technically a rivalry game as well.

[quote name="OHSNG68" post="1253244" timestamp="1346174438"] Why is everybody forgetting about the Central vs. Ozen Game aka "The Soul Bowl". And i'm pretty sure it will have twice the fans as any of those other games. Just sayin!!!! [/quote] No offense, but Mid-County Madness will probably have 3,000+ more fans than the "Soul Bowl." Even if your game sells out, the Butch Bowl only holds ~10,000 fans. MCM will definitely sell out and Indian Stadium seats 13,000. Not to mention that PN-G and Nederland probably have the two largest fanbases in the area (PN-G's is one of the largest in the state). Ozen and Central will play a great game, no doubt. But to say that it will out-sell MCM is reaching.

[quote name="Smoking Baby" post="1253076" timestamp="1346156623"] Well if some old dude sending me love notes and digging holes in my back yard causes me to dance around like the village people, NO thank you.  I'd rather sit on my porch at 60 yrs old and bark like a DOG when a high school kid scores a TD.  I mean really, where your common sense in all this?  ;) [/quote] I guess you're qualified to make that decision after all the barking and Cherokee you've heard after all the touchdowns BH has given up to the MC teams. Besides, you've had a lot of time to think about it. It's not like you've been going to many playoff games. ;) ;D My Spanish has always sucked, but I guess y'all's new name is: Las Aguilas de la Cuesta Hormiga

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1252968" timestamp="1346120319"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=100950.msg1252904#msg1252904 date=1346111947] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100950.msg1252843#msg1252843 date=1346103852] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=100950.msg1252196#msg1252196 date=1346035932] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100950.msg1241720#msg1241720 date=1343950803] [quote author=Jduncan1 link=topic=100950.msg1241719#msg1241719 date=1343950456] Not season tickets [/quote] I was told different. PM me. [/quote] It's true. When I picked up season tickets for my parents before leaving town, Vidor was the first game to sell out. The ticket lady said they had requested more and to come back a few days later. When I went back, she said that Vidor had refused to send more than the original 500. All other tickets would not be sent until the week of the game. [/quote] Oh. I see. 500 isn't all that they are selling but they are holding the rest till the week of the game. Okay. I gotcha. [/quote] Yes. However, in past years, they sent more than 500. I don't know why this changed for this season. [/quote] I honestly have no idea but i'm sure they have a good reason, especially considering who we are playing for homecoming lol. [/quote] Probably. I just can't figure out what it is. This the third time that since 2007 we've played Vidor for their homecoming and as far as I know, this is the first time they've sent so few tickets for purchase before the season starts.

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1253006" timestamp="1346124499"] i sure hope these New Orleans evacuees dont get stupid around here in PA the next couple of days. I remember my mother telling me some stories about how it was around here when Gustav hit there and they all came here and to Houston. [/quote] You think Gustav was bad, you should have seen things during Katrina. Ford Park was a madhouse.

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1252843" timestamp="1346103852"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=100950.msg1252196#msg1252196 date=1346035932] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100950.msg1241720#msg1241720 date=1343950803] [quote author=Jduncan1 link=topic=100950.msg1241719#msg1241719 date=1343950456] Not season tickets [/quote] I was told different. PM me. [/quote] It's true. When I picked up season tickets for my parents before leaving town, Vidor was the first game to sell out. The ticket lady said they had requested more and to come back a few days later. When I went back, she said that Vidor had refused to send more than the original 500. All other tickets would not be sent until the week of the game. [/quote] Oh. I see. 500 isn't all that they are selling but they are holding the rest till the week of the game. Okay. I gotcha. [/quote] Yes. However, in past years, they sent more than 500. I don't know why this changed for this season.

[quote name="ScalpEm24" post="1252841" timestamp="1346103731"] I agree bama...no worries, no matter what is said in a thread in which PNG is brought up, someone is bound to think we are over taking the thread & turning it into a PNG Thread. Funny thing is, its never us...PNG envy much? LOL Now, back to what i said originally, I agree this WONT HAPPEN, but in this hypothetical thread of what ifs and Vidorians trying to cross the river from Orange County to Jefferson County I thought it would be a fun and different approach to renaming teams. [/quote] Some people, right? It does put an interesting spin on things. If "Indians" as a team name was absolutely out of the question, I think the Tri-City Tigers or Tri-City Tornadoes would be pretty cool. But if we went with a tiger for a mascot, I just couldn't support purple and gold as the school colors anymore. ;D Also, if it were Mid-County High instead of Tri-City High, it would be cool to be the Mid-County Marauders.

[quote name="NDNation" post="1252801" timestamp="1346100719"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=102063.msg1252793#msg1252793 date=1346100160] [quote author=NDNation link=topic=102063.msg1252788#msg1252788 date=1346099848] What????? I thought they didnt start selling till Tuesday. Couldnt get them when we got our season tickets. :-[ [/quote] The season ticket allotment sold out. There's a general admission allotment of 1,000 tickets that will go on sale tomorrow in the field house at 8 AM. [/quote] At the field-house window....only 1,000...yep, will be sold out by noon. [/quote] They say they're going to be on sale 8 AM-3 PM, Tuesday through Thursday, but I think they'll be sold out well before closing time Tuesday.