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Have it ever occured to you that kids change from middle school to high school? You have coaches looking at the 6'1" athletic 8th grader when in reality, the skinny 5'4" kid will end of being the superstar in HS. While size offers an advantage, it isn't everything. The program, the kids, and the coaching are what make up a good football team. Because of the structure of BISD, it's hard to put together a program and it's even harder to predict which kids each high school will get. And PN-G's problem was its program for all those years. The Beaumont coaches have a struggle no matter what. I honestly believe that Central's run at the playoffs last year was a lucky streak, and what I mean by that is that they had the right combination of players and coaching, but such a combination is rare in a district like BISD. The fact that they had that combination last year was a stroke of good luck, a rare one at that. Every now and then, Ozen, Central, and Westbrook will have one or two consecutive playoff runs, but, because of the structure of the district, won't be able to sustain long term results. You need a tiny big of luck along the way for any kind of state or long playoff run. This goes for all teams in all classifications that have deep runs. I'm not buying most of what you're saying. Especially about your 'lucky streak' comment. I suppose I should be more clear. It's not that Central got to the playoffs and made that run on luck alone. It had the two of the big three components: kids and coaching. It was lacking in the program sector, which is understandable because of BISD's structure. When you've only got two of the three needed components, you'll have some success, but it'll be hard to sustain that success from year to year. Central won't be able to sustain its success over the years without a program, and you can't really build a program in a district like BISD. It'll have some spurts here and there, but no solid, sustained success. The same goes for Ozen and Westbrook. BISD's structure. Success here and there. Spurts. I think you have listen to some older guys (who knows nothing) to come up with this. If Central or any BISD school is a hit an miss deal, then what the heck is PN-G? They appear to be the same way. They had a brilliant '99 season with Long at the helm and made it to state. Since then, what have they done playoff wise? I remember. They lost to the eventual state champions (Lamar Consolidated) a few years ago. So I guess it's safe to question PN-G's 'structure' and say that they are less than a hit and miss and only do good in 'spurts'. PN-G's problem was its program. Much like Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, PN-G had a good coaching staff and good kids, but a bad program. Much like Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, the combination of the first two components provided for some spurts (which depended more on the kids our team had from year to year than anything else, just like Ozen, Westbrook, and Central), but the lack of the third component made sustained success (meaning success for more than two consecutive seasons) virtually impossible. The difference here is that PN-G has more potential for a program because, unlike Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, the coaches at PN-G know exactly who is coming up the ranks and their strengths and weaknesses as far out as 2-5 years before those players are on the varsity team, not counting any work that is done in football prior to the athlete's 7th grade year. That one difference is what makes us better-suited to create a program, which is what Coach Faircloth and his team are doing. Central, Ozen, and Westbrook coaches have virtually no idea who they will be putting on varsity until the freshman year of the potential varsity player. This fact is what makes building a football program (or a program for any sport, for that matter) in BISD much more difficult than building a program in a district where each child's high school is picked the day said child enters kindergarten, such as PN-G or Nederland. It's not that creating a program is impossible, but rather that it is easier to do and has a better chance of success in a single-high school district than in a district where there are multiple high schools and each child doesn't know what high school said child will be attending until the end of said child's eighth grade year. Since 2000 the following schools have won state, some multiple times and all have more than one high school. Lamar Consolidated, Alamo Heights, Midland Lee, Katy, Mesquite, Denton Ryan, Galena Park North Shore, Tyler Lee, and Lewisville Hebron. Most of your 4A and almost all of 5A programs have different feeder schools and the coaches can't keep up with all of the kids because there is so many. For example, in Katy there is approximately 2,000 kids involved in youth football. The coaches have no clue until high school. It computes to the more athletes you have, usually the better the program is going to be or you have an exceptional group of kids that can gel together in HS. There are exceptions to the rule just like anything. ie, WOS, but even then when was the last time they won state. I never said that building a program was impossible in a district like BISD, just that it was very hard to do. The high schools you have mentioned also (as you pointed out) have far more kids than Central and Ozen and, while they do have several feeder schools, the students of those feeder schools have predesignated high schools. The size of each school as well as the predesignated high school make it far easier to make predictions and put together a well rounded team, accordingly. Have it ever occured to you that kids change from Middle School to High School? You have this 6'2" kid in middle school that all the school are after. In HS, is your kid tha was 5'4" in middle school that will end up being the star. That doesn't negate the need for a good program spanning from middle school through high school. Potential football players need to start learning the fundamentals early and it's a major advantage for coaches to know what they have coming up the ranks so they can start working with their best candidates and groom them to be really good varsity players as early as possible. Football starts before high school, and the more time a coach has to work with his potential starting players as well as his future team as a whole, the better. That's hard to do in a district where you really don't know what you're going to have to work with until the potential varsity player's freshman year.

While size offers an advantage, it isn't everything. The program, the kids, and the coaching are what make up a good football team. Because of the structure of BISD, it's hard to put together a program and it's even harder to predict which kids each high school will get. And PN-G's problem was its program for all those years. The Beaumont coaches have a struggle no matter what. I honestly believe that Central's run at the playoffs last year was a lucky streak, and what I mean by that is that they had the right combination of players and coaching, but such a combination is rare in a district like BISD. The fact that they had that combination last year was a stroke of good luck, a rare one at that. Every now and then, Ozen, Central, and Westbrook will have one or two consecutive playoff runs, but, because of the structure of the district, won't be able to sustain long term results. You need a tiny big of luck along the way for any kind of state or long playoff run. This goes for all teams in all classifications that have deep runs. I'm not buying most of what you're saying. Especially about your 'lucky streak' comment. I suppose I should be more clear. It's not that Central got to the playoffs and made that run on luck alone. It had the two of the big three components: kids and coaching. It was lacking in the program sector, which is understandable because of BISD's structure. When you've only got two of the three needed components, you'll have some success, but it'll be hard to sustain that success from year to year. Central won't be able to sustain its success over the years without a program, and you can't really build a program in a district like BISD. It'll have some spurts here and there, but no solid, sustained success. The same goes for Ozen and Westbrook. BISD's structure. Success here and there. Spurts. I think you have listen to some older guys (who knows nothing) to come up with this. If Central or any BISD school is a hit an miss deal, then what the heck is PN-G? They appear to be the same way. They had a brilliant '99 season with Long at the helm and made it to state. Since then, what have they done playoff wise? I remember. They lost to the eventual state champions (Lamar Consolidated) a few years ago. So I guess it's safe to question PN-G's 'structure' and say that they are less than a hit and miss and only do good in 'spurts'. PN-G's problem was its program. Much like Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, PN-G had a good coaching staff and good kids, but a bad program. Much like Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, the combination of the first two components provided for some spurts (which depended more on the kids our team had from year to year than anything else, just like Ozen, Westbrook, and Central), but the lack of the third component made sustained success (meaning success for more than two consecutive seasons) virtually impossible. The difference here is that PN-G has more potential for a program because, unlike Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, the coaches at PN-G know exactly who is coming up the ranks and their strengths and weaknesses as far out as 2-5 years before those players are on the varsity team, not counting any work that is done in football prior to the athlete's 7th grade year. That one difference is what makes us better-suited to create a program, which is what Coach Faircloth and his team are doing. Central, Ozen, and Westbrook coaches have virtually no idea who they will be putting on varsity until the freshman year of the potential varsity player. This fact is what makes building a football program (or a program for any sport, for that matter) in BISD much more difficult than building a program in a district where each child's high school is picked the day said child enters kindergarten, such as PN-G or Nederland. It's not that creating a program is impossible, but rather that it is easier to do and has a better chance of success in a single-high school district than in a district where there are multiple high schools and each child doesn't know what high school said child will be attending until the end of said child's eighth grade year. Your argument would be a lot better if you used a team that consistently wins (unlike PNG). What has PNG done any better than the three Beaumont schools? Nederland is the perfect example of a single high school district with a great program, and that's a lot coming from an Indian. Dayton is another good example. I've already explained why PN-G hasn't had any sustained success (meaning success for more than two consecutive seasons) over the last several years, and my explanation of that situation comes from both first-hand and second-hand experience. I've put my explanation of PN-G's problems below. My previous posts have not been attacks on any of the BISD high schools (which is how I think some people are taking them) nor anyone's school for that matter. They're just explanations of my theory.

While size offers an advantage, it isn't everything. The program, the kids, and the coaching are what make up a good football team. Because of the structure of BISD, it's hard to put together a program and it's even harder to predict which kids each high school will get. And PN-G's problem was its program for all those years. The Beaumont coaches have a struggle no matter what. I honestly believe that Central's run at the playoffs last year was a lucky streak, and what I mean by that is that they had the right combination of players and coaching, but such a combination is rare in a district like BISD. The fact that they had that combination last year was a stroke of good luck, a rare one at that. Every now and then, Ozen, Central, and Westbrook will have one or two consecutive playoff runs, but, because of the structure of the district, won't be able to sustain long term results. You need a tiny big of luck along the way for any kind of state or long playoff run. This goes for all teams in all classifications that have deep runs. I'm not buying most of what you're saying. Especially about your 'lucky streak' comment. I suppose I should be more clear. It's not that Central got to the playoffs and made that run on luck alone. It had the two of the big three components: kids and coaching. It was lacking in the program sector, which is understandable because of BISD's structure. When you've only got two of the three needed components, you'll have some success, but it'll be hard to sustain that success from year to year. Central won't be able to sustain its success over the years without a program, and you can't really build a program in a district like BISD. It'll have some spurts here and there, but no solid, sustained success. The same goes for Ozen and Westbrook. BISD's structure. Success here and there. Spurts. I think you have listen to some older guys (who knows nothing) to come up with this. If Central or any BISD school is a hit an miss deal, then what the heck is PN-G? They appear to be the same way. They had a brilliant '99 season with Long at the helm and made it to state. Since then, what have they done playoff wise? I remember. They lost to the eventual state champions (Lamar Consolidated) a few years ago. So I guess it's safe to question PN-G's 'structure' and say that they are less than a hit and miss and only do good in 'spurts'. PN-G's problem was its program. Much like Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, PN-G had a good coaching staff and good kids, but a bad program. Much like Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, the combination of the first two components provided for some spurts (which depended more on the kids our team had from year to year than anything else, just like Ozen, Westbrook, and Central), but the lack of the third component made sustained success (meaning success for more than two consecutive seasons) virtually impossible. The difference here is that PN-G has more potential for a program because, unlike Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, the coaches at PN-G know exactly who is coming up the ranks and their strengths and weaknesses as far out as 2-5 years before those players are on the varsity team, not counting any work that is done in football prior to the athlete's 7th grade year. That one difference is what makes us better-suited to create a program, which is what Coach Faircloth and his team are doing. Central, Ozen, and Westbrook coaches have virtually no idea who they will be putting on varsity until the freshman year of the potential varsity player. This fact is what makes building a football program (or a program for any sport, for that matter) in BISD much more difficult than building a program in a district where each child's high school is picked the day said child enters kindergarten, such as PN-G or Nederland. It's not that creating a program is impossible, but rather that it is easier to do and has a better chance of success in a single-high school district than in a district where there are multiple high schools and each child doesn't know what high school said child will be attending until the end of said child's eighth grade year. Since 2000 the following schools have won state, some multiple times and all have more than one high school. Lamar Consolidated, Alamo Heights, Midland Lee, Katy, Mesquite, Denton Ryan, Galena Park North Shore, Tyler Lee, and Lewisville Hebron. Most of your 4A and almost all of 5A programs have different feeder schools and the coaches can't keep up with all of the kids because there is so many. For example, in Katy there is approximately 2,000 kids involved in youth football. The coaches have no clue until high school. It computes to the more athletes you have, usually the better the program is going to be or you have an exceptional group of kids that can gel together in HS. There are exceptions to the rule just like anything. ie, WOS, but even then when was the last time they won state. I never said that building a program was impossible in a district like BISD, just that it was very hard to do. The high schools you have mentioned also (as you pointed out) have far more kids than Central and Ozen and, while they do have several feeder schools, the students of those feeder schools have predesignated high schools. The size of each school as well as the predesignated high school make it far easier to make predictions and put together a well rounded team, accordingly.

We do. The band stands are standing room only when we play at Barber's Hill.

Yeah, we'll see where that pile is over the next couple of years.

This kid did, and that's why his mother wanted to commemorate him this way.

While size offers an advantage, it isn't everything. The program, the kids, and the coaching are what make up a good football team. Because of the structure of BISD, it's hard to put together a program and it's even harder to predict which kids each high school will get. And PN-G's problem was its program for all those years. The Beaumont coaches have a struggle no matter what. I honestly believe that Central's run at the playoffs last year was a lucky streak, and what I mean by that is that they had the right combination of players and coaching, but such a combination is rare in a district like BISD. The fact that they had that combination last year was a stroke of good luck, a rare one at that. Every now and then, Ozen, Central, and Westbrook will have one or two consecutive playoff runs, but, because of the structure of the district, won't be able to sustain long term results. You need a tiny big of luck along the way for any kind of state or long playoff run. This goes for all teams in all classifications that have deep runs. I'm not buying most of what you're saying. Especially about your 'lucky streak' comment. I suppose I should be more clear. It's not that Central got to the playoffs and made that run on luck alone. It had the two of the big three components: kids and coaching. It was lacking in the program sector, which is understandable because of BISD's structure. When you've only got two of the three needed components, you'll have some success, but it'll be hard to sustain that success from year to year. Central won't be able to sustain its success over the years without a program, and you can't really build a program in a district like BISD. It'll have some spurts here and there, but no solid, sustained success. The same goes for Ozen and Westbrook. BISD's structure. Success here and there. Spurts. I think you have listen to some older guys (who knows nothing) to come up with this. If Central or any BISD school is a hit an miss deal, then what the heck is PN-G? They appear to be the same way. They had a brilliant '99 season with Long at the helm and made it to state. Since then, what have they done playoff wise? I remember. They lost to the eventual state champions (Lamar Consolidated) a few years ago. So I guess it's safe to question PN-G's 'structure' and say that they are less than a hit and miss and only do good in 'spurts'. PN-G's problem was its program. Much like Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, PN-G had a good coaching staff and good kids, but a bad program. Much like Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, the combination of the first two components provided for some spurts (which depended more on the kids our team had from year to year than anything else, just like Ozen, Westbrook, and Central), but the lack of the third component made sustained success (meaning success for more than two consecutive seasons) virtually impossible. The difference here is that PN-G has more potential for a program because, unlike Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, the coaches at PN-G know exactly who is coming up the ranks and their strengths and weaknesses as far out as 2-5 years before those players are on the varsity team, not counting any work that is done in football prior to the athlete's 7th grade year. That one difference is what makes us better-suited to create a program, which is what Coach Faircloth and his team are doing. Central, Ozen, and Westbrook coaches have virtually no idea who they will be putting on varsity until the freshman year of the potential varsity player. This fact is what makes building a football program (or a program for any sport, for that matter) in BISD much more difficult than building a program in a district where each child's high school is picked the day said child enters kindergarten, such as PN-G or Nederland. It's not that creating a program is impossible, but rather that it is easier to do and has a better chance of success in a single-high school district than in a district where there are multiple high schools and each child doesn't know what high school said child will be attending until the end of said child's eighth grade year. Well Put..An thats Really True.. Thanks. I think I got it all in there. It wasn't a very easy concept to put on paper.

That sounds like Nederland. Oh, wait, that's their football team. ;D

Central

While size offers an advantage, it isn't everything. The program, the kids, and the coaching are what make up a good football team. Because of the structure of BISD, it's hard to put together a program and it's even harder to predict which kids each high school will get. And PN-G's problem was its program for all those years. The Beaumont coaches have a struggle no matter what. I honestly believe that Central's run at the playoffs last year was a lucky streak, and what I mean by that is that they had the right combination of players and coaching, but such a combination is rare in a district like BISD. The fact that they had that combination last year was a stroke of good luck, a rare one at that. Every now and then, Ozen, Central, and Westbrook will have one or two consecutive playoff runs, but, because of the structure of the district, won't be able to sustain long term results. You need a tiny big of luck along the way for any kind of state or long playoff run. This goes for all teams in all classifications that have deep runs. I'm not buying most of what you're saying. Especially about your 'lucky streak' comment. I suppose I should be more clear. It's not that Central got to the playoffs and made that run on luck alone. It had the two of the big three components: kids and coaching. It was lacking in the program sector, which is understandable because of BISD's structure. When you've only got two of the three needed components, you'll have some success, but it'll be hard to sustain that success from year to year. Central won't be able to sustain its success over the years without a program, and you can't really build a program in a district like BISD. It'll have some spurts here and there, but no solid, sustained success. The same goes for Ozen and Westbrook. BISD's structure. Success here and there. Spurts. I think you have listen to some older guys (who knows nothing) to come up with this. If Central or any BISD school is a hit an miss deal, then what the heck is PN-G? They appear to be the same way. They had a brilliant '99 season with Long at the helm and made it to state. Since then, what have they done playoff wise? I remember. They lost to the eventual state champions (Lamar Consolidated) a few years ago. So I guess it's safe to question PN-G's 'structure' and say that they are less than a hit and miss and only do good in 'spurts'. PN-G's problem was its program. Much like Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, PN-G had a good coaching staff and good kids, but a bad program. Much like Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, the combination of the first two components provided for some spurts (which depended more on the kids our team had from year to year than anything else, just like Ozen, Westbrook, and Central), but the lack of the third component made sustained success (meaning success for more than two consecutive seasons) virtually impossible. The difference here is that PN-G has more potential for a program because, unlike Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, the coaches at PN-G know exactly who is coming up the ranks and their strengths and weaknesses as far out as 2-5 years before those players are on the varsity team, not counting any work that is done in football prior to the athlete's 7th grade year. That one difference is what makes us better-suited to create a program, which is what Coach Faircloth and his team are doing. Central, Ozen, and Westbrook coaches have virtually no idea who they will be putting on varsity until the freshman year of the potential varsity player. This fact is what makes building a football program (or a program for any sport, for that matter) in BISD much more difficult than building a program in a district where each child's high school is picked the day said child enters kindergarten, such as PN-G or Nederland. It's not that creating a program is impossible, but rather that it is easier to do and has a better chance of success in a single-high school district than in a district where there are multiple high schools and each child doesn't know what high school said child will be attending until the end of said child's eighth grade year.

While size offers an advantage, it isn't everything. The program, the kids, and the coaching are what make up a good football team. Because of the structure of BISD, it's hard to put together a program and it's even harder to predict which kids each high school will get. And PN-G's problem was its program for all those years. The Beaumont coaches have a struggle no matter what. I honestly believe that Central's run at the playoffs last year was a lucky streak, and what I mean by that is that they had the right combination of players and coaching, but such a combination is rare in a district like BISD. The fact that they had that combination last year was a stroke of good luck, a rare one at that. Every now and then, Ozen, Central, and Westbrook will have one or two consecutive playoff runs, but, because of the structure of the district, won't be able to sustain long term results. You need a tiny big of luck along the way for any kind of state or long playoff run. This goes for all teams in all classifications that have deep runs. I'm not buying most of what you're saying. Especially about your 'lucky streak' comment. I suppose I should be more clear. It's not that Central got to the playoffs and made that run on luck alone. It had the two of the big three components: kids and coaching. It was lacking in the program sector, which is understandable because of BISD's structure. When you've only got two of the three needed components, you'll have some success, but it'll be hard to sustain that success from year to year. Central won't be able to sustain its success over the years without a program, and you can't really build a program in a district like BISD. It'll have some spurts here and there, but no solid, sustained success. The same goes for Ozen and Westbrook.

The Beaumont coaches have a struggle no matter what. I honestly believe that Central's run at the playoffs last year was a lucky streak, and what I mean by that is that they had the right combination of players and coaching, but such a combination is rare in a district like BISD. The fact that they had that combination last year was a stroke of good luck, a rare one at that. Every now and then, Ozen, Central, and Westbrook will have one or two consecutive playoff runs, but, because of the structure of the district, won't be able to sustain long term results.

Because Beaumont Middle Schools feed to different High Schools. Some kids at SFA will go to WB, some to Ozen, and some to Central and so on with the other middle schools. So the coaches at these schools are not instructed by the Head Coach at the HS. That puts the HC's at a dissadvantage. I think this is one of the reasons that the bigger ISD's like Houston and Dallas don't have the powerhouse teams anymore. Even Katy and Plano still have boundries for their feeder schools. Just a thought (and an observation from a BMT coach). I guess that explain it better. Although I think the guy that origionally brought it up was getting at something else... My Question about Brook still was not answered... Actually, that's exactly what I was going to say. I just didn't see your post and badndn beat me to it.

I think Ozen is going to be a solid team. When we were doing our predictions, I ranked them as fifth in our district over Lumberton, Livingston, and LC-M. I figure that Ozen will give a solid performance this year but won't make the playoffs because I think that Ozen still has to build a program and that's hard to do in a district like BISD.

I doubt very seriously that they are "worried" about it. When you are setting off on a new program, sometimes it is good to change thinks up a bit to help the feeling of the new start. I think this is a fairly common occurrence and certainly not limited to LC-M. I don't think they are going to miss any two-a-days because of a new helmet logo. Isn't PN-G going to change their scheme up a bit? Maybe their new coach isn't worried about winning. 8) Good luck to LC-M, their new coach and their new helmet logo. We're basically doing a PN-G version of TCU's helmet. It'll look good in the end, but the only thing I wish they would do differently is make the facemask white instead of black. I think it'd look better that way while simultaneously staying true to our school colors.

You are so right It is all about income. That new field at PNG did not come cheep, but Fans do not make the team better. There is no better fan base than PNG and they have not made the playoffs in years.So the fans can pay the bills but they dont win games. Fans don't win games although the surely add to it and they don't necessarily pay the bills either. Taxes pay the bills not gate receipts, and there are many people who foot the bills through their taxes that don't attend football games. It's true that the taxpayers foot most of the bill, but the fan base often provides a sizable return. I guess you can look at it from an investor's viewpoint. At PN-G, the ticket and concession sales bring in a LOT of cash. The notoriety of our fan base was one of the pivotal factors in helping us sell the advertisements on our scoreboard, which brought in more cash. Then again, we also have one of the largest followings of any high school in the state, if not the nation, so our return is probably much larger than, say, LC-M's or Ozen's. I also believe that the fans (as well as the band, drill team, and cheerleaders) bring an atmosphere that can motivate a team. The crowd may not be the deciding factor in who wins the game or who has the better team out on the field, but they certainly play a part in both of those comparisons. Spirit plays a role in a game just like talent, skill, or discipline. Its effect is certainly not as great, but it is an effect, nonetheless. Coming from PN-G, I know that well.

Central's marching show.

You hope.

Sometimes, you just can't help it... I just haven't felt the urge to stand up and clap for... or even play Cherokee just yet. For some reason the Aggie War Hymn keeps dancing in my head though...... It's an insider thing.

Are y'all going to make the visitor's band stands bigger? It was tough to fit our band in those tiny stands last year.

Wow. Purple & White vs. Purple & White. You could have just called, you know.

Sometimes, you just can't help it...

Anytime.

While on that subject, the top game on your list (PN-G vs. Plano, 1977 Texas State Championship, 49,953) holds both the state and national record for attendance at a high school varsity football game. WOW really ! Were did you find that info at ? Just curious. Regarding the attendance record nationally. [Hidden Content] www.pngindians.com On Wikipedia, you can find it in the second paragraph under "School Spirit." On the Indians site, it's on that loading page that comes up when you go to the site.

While on that subject, the top game on your list (PN-G vs. Plano, 1977 Texas State Championship, 49,953) holds both the state and national record for attendance at a high school varsity football game.