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Is it just me, or is 3A getting HUGE? Seems like 3a has twice as many teams as any other classification. I'm sure I'm wrong, but sure seems that way. Another thought is looking at all these 3A schools that were 4A power houses as little as a couple years ago. Seems like we have a very interesting trend here.......the 5a schools are getting so huge they are the size of some colleges. 4A seems limited now and 3a is huge. Does anyone think the UIL needs to re-classify the whole state? Make a 6A and get rid of the subdivisions in the other classifications?  You would have 6 through 1A.  Maybe the 4a schools would be 5a, the 3a schools be 4a, etc.

[quote name="Rizon" post="1230896" timestamp="1339872045"] [quote author=kicker link=topic=100559.msg1230827#msg1230827 date=1339812856] Interesting.....when was the last time WOS wasn't in the top 10? Not saying they deserve to be there, just stating and observation. IMO, WOS has always been in the top 10 since the early 80's.  Correct me if I'm wrong but i can't remember that since I was was old enough to remember which was 1985 to now. [/quote] They were ranked top 10 every year when they were 4A? That would suprise me when there were years they weren't even picked to finish 1st or 2nd in district. [/quote] Yes, even in 4a. Kinda strange. There were a few years I belive we werent in the preseason top ten but made it in in the first week or two of the season and vice versa. I think 96 was the only year we weren't ranked. We went 3 deep that year barely making it out of our district. 97 we were number 2 I believe and 98 number 1 and two flip floping with LaMarque.

Well, not sure about that but heard we will be pretty good.

Interesting.....when was the last time WOS wasn't in the top 10? Not saying they deserve to be there, just stating and observation. IMO, WOS has always been in the top 10 since the early 80's.  Correct me if I'm wrong but i can't remember that since I was was old enough to remember which was 1985 to now.

[quote name="Krispy Kreme" post="1228213" timestamp="1338681338"] [quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=100160.msg1228200#msg1228200 date=1338666952] There are two reasons Collins is on that list. 1 Is that he is fast 2 is that he has scholarship offers from Baylor, Texas, Texas Tech, Utah, TCU, Vanderbilt, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St. ESPN even puts him as a 4 star recruit, and has him as the 25 best CB in the country. I think he has earned his spot on that list Montana Q on the other hand doesn't even have a profile on any of the major scouting sites and he doesn't have any scholarship offers that I know of. [/quote] Yall got a good point.... The truth is, "My two cents", the reason Quirante is not on these list is he does not try to be on them.... He does not set up a profile or still to my knowledge, has not sent out his highlights to people yet...haha thats pretty relevant... He does not entertain scouts or coaches like some of these others do.... It is not people underestimating or demeaning his abilities. He just does not solicit his talent like others do... Once he decides to do so he will get recognized...nothing to worry about, im sure he is not the only elite one left off the list... Some people dont need to be on the list to know that they are still elite haha [/quote] Well......MQ needs to go ahead and start to market himself. I saw him play one game and it was their last playoff game. The kid has tallent and could be a great addition to any college team. You can't teach heart. Of what I saw, the kid has it. People need to understand that sending tapes and highlites can make all the difference. Those scouts see thousands of kids and sometimes only get a chance to look at them on a tape for 2 minutes. You see, they might be scouting 300 different players at a time. A good tape with great highlites can mean the difference in getting a scholarship. And were talking about thousands of dollars of awards here

[quote name="falconfanatic" post="1228200" timestamp="1338666952"] There are two reasons Collins is on that list. 1 Is that he is fast 2 is that he has scholarship offers from Baylor, Texas, Texas Tech, Utah, TCU, Vanderbilt, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St. ESPN even puts him as a 4 star recruit, and has him as the 25 best CB in the country. I think he has earned his spot on that list Montana Q on the other hand doesn't even have a profile on any of the major scouting sites and he doesn't have any scholarship offers that I know of. [/quote] Well, that's great. It means a lot to work your butt off and get any type of free college. Trust me, I know. knowing you worked your butt off and getting rewarded for it is a feeling that only a few people can understand. I wish the best for the kid and hope he does well.

[quote name="liltex" post="1228160" timestamp="1338639228"] No pun intended but the 1983 WOS team was 3-7.Then the 01 team 5-5 but I agree the Stangs have been the most consistant over a long period  in 3 classifications 8) [/quote] Oh, yeah...your right. Forgot about that. Gasilla could tell you more about that season. ;D. But still, we have had 1 sub par season. I was wrong on years too. It's not 30 years, its 35 years.  8)

[quote name="BellBiz30" post="1227981" timestamp="1338569432"] [quote author=jkbtjc53 link=topic=99637.msg1227729#msg1227729 date=1338509617] WO-S has 10 seniors starting on defense, 8 of them were starters last year, and 5 of them are 3 year starters.. They also have 5 kids on defense this year with D-1 offers already.. WO-S will kick butt this year trust me [/quote]They might, all the way up until they play La Marque. :D [/quote] Hmmmm......LaMarque.....we've seen them a few times before. This is a new era for the Mustangs. Last year we made the quarter finals when everyone gave up on us in week 3. The new era is more of the same. The same coach that has been there for the past 30 yrs, he just has a different title. No predictions out of me except we will win. We will win many games just like we always do. I'll ask yall this, who in this area can say they have NEVER had a sub .500 season? Man, I would even like to see the stats of schools state wide. I'm not saying we win state or make long runs every year. but you have to admit, we have been the most Dominant team in SETX history.

[quote name="dustoff03" post="1226558" timestamp="1338172937"] [quote author=LP2012 link=topic=99637.msg1226472#msg1226472 date=1338150773] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=99637.msg1226470#msg1226470 date=1338149761] [quote author=LP2012 link=topic=99637.msg1226468#msg1226468 date=1338149541] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=99637.msg1226467#msg1226467 date=1338148616] Here are a few records to back me up. Here's there record with LCM (a 4A school incase you didn't know) [Hidden Content] Here's another one with a 3A school Jasper [Hidden Content] Last year they took the 20-4A district champs to overtime and came very very close to winning. I think that speaks for itself. What has Coldspring done against the greats of SETX? [/quote] coldspring beat WOS last year in playoffs. So that would make them better than WOS advancing all the way to the semi's i believe. The year before that they played for the state championship. Do not get me wrong WOS is very good, but the simple fact is Coldspring is better. [/quote] The past 4 years yes Coldspring has had the upper hand but lets check consistency here. Who has been consistently good? [/quote] True WOS has been a better program over time, but i think, this is just my opinion, that Coldspring is the best small school team is setx this year, so they have the best chance of beating the other teams like WB. Not saying that they would, but i think they have a better chance. Just because WOS has been better in the past that does not mean that they are better in the present. [/quote] hate to disagree with ya two cents, but the WOS of now in no way compares to the WOS of old. I know, I played against them. Today, Coldspring is the better team and they have proved it. I saw the playoff reel. As far as SETX, seriously, who is gonna match up with PAM? And don't say Westbrook(not this year). [/quote] Ok, I'll give Coldspring the past couple years. Great team with great coach. However, the Cinderella seasons end this year for the Trojans. CS has been consistent for 2 years.....WOS has been consistent for 30. I'm not a scholar but that's a little difference. Trust me, the Mustangs are just the same as "old". Thompson is a mirror of Hooks. A hall of fame coach leaves, and we make it to the quarter finals with a "new" coach. I'll give CS props because they have had great teams but consistency is not the Trojans. 

Toby would turn the Bulldog program around. He also puts just as much emphasis on other sports besides football too. As an AD, thats what you want. His "discipline first, winning second" is a direct result of playing for and coaching with Hooks and Thompson at WOS. He would be the correct selection for the job.

[quote name="GCMPats" post="1199523" timestamp="1332253449"] [quote author=T-daddy link=topic=97736.msg1199443#msg1199443 date=1332214527] 1. The OC that was asked to teach was Morgan's brother, he didnt like that.. 2. He wanted several coaches out of the class room and full time coaches... (I personally have never known a coach in jasper to not teach except the HC and AD..) What would a coach do during the day play golf? they only have two work out periods in the field house..Some of the coaches that teach, teach PE and are only there for 3 periods..come on. Coach Brooks= left for tyler after about 3 years Coach Lauve= stayed for about 5 years (best years we ever had) left for 5a Coach Brooks= came back coached couple of yrs and has stayed with district. Coach Bicham= lead program in wrong direction (the inmates ran the prison) Coach Morgan= 1 year..has program turned around in every area, great coach. I think we need to look for someone with jasper ties that maybe has parents here or went to school here..(coach Mixon and our baseball program is a good example) Next coach will have a great team to work with and will be successful.. [/quote] It is not uncommon for OC's and DC's to have "light" teaching loads. 2-3 classes out of 7. Some spend time at the junior highs working with their "feeder" athletes, teaching the high school way of doing things. Football is king and it's good to be the king. [/quote] Wen I was playing at WOS in the late 90's, we were a larger sized 4A school. All of our coaches taught except for Coach Hooks. I had our OC at the time, Barry Norton, for health. Even coach Thompson (DC at the time) coached PE and Health I believe.

I wouldnmind liing there at all. I likethe quiet life and clean air. Also, i would be 15 minutes from Rayburn Country. ;)

[quote name="GCMPats" post="1199501" timestamp="1332250509"] per Texas High School Football: 2012 THSF Schedule Facts & Figures: Odessa Permian Panthers (2-5A) - Total Road Mileage: 2,074 mi.; [b]Average Road Trip: 414.8 mi. [/b] Wow! That's a long haul. [/quote] Wow, tht is crazy. What about sports like baseball and basketball that have games on weekdays? You almost have to leave the day before a game and find a hotel. Heck, what about a tuesday night game that ends at 10 pm? The furthest trip on a bus, the kids wouldnt be back to Odessa untill 5am.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1199472" timestamp="1332240206"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=97736.msg1199437#msg1199437 date=1332212831] [quote author=Bulldog92 link=topic=97736.msg1199436#msg1199436 date=1332212692] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=97736.msg1199434#msg1199434 date=1332212544] Sounds like a complete mess to me. [/quote] Agreed. Does anyone come to mind that can deal with such harsh (sarcasm) demands and make things right? I'm at a loss... [/quote] I say give Toby Foreman a chance. [/quote] I agree.  A young coach who is willing to come back to Southeast Texas and put down roots and be there for a long period of time like Gene Walkoviac (sp).  Having coached a WO-S, he is used to the "demands" and "challenges" of a smaller ISD with regards to responsibilities of coaches. He would be a great fit and I understand he is VERY interested. [/quote] Im with you on that. Except for two reasons, and one being selfish. 1. Im not sure with some of the comments about a power struggle or parents putting pressure on the coaches. Toby is a product of WOS and wont stand for that. His expectations of dicipline and accountability could stir up a hornets nest. Also, he doesnt do the "little johnny has to play" thing. Best 11 diciplined players on the field period. 2nd. It would be hard to root against him if we were playing him. He needs to be in the Blue and Silver. Having a friend coaching an arch rival "though very respected" isnt my cup of tea. lol. All that aside, if they would let him do what he does and keep the politics at a minimum, he would have that team winning immediatly.

Not sure how to comment on this. I was on the field when Reggie passed and although it wasn't from a hit, it still haunts me to this day. I'm not sure what an answer or solution is. With our technology in the 21st century, you would think that we could prevent these injuries. I was watching a show last night about grand prix/formula 1 racing in the 60's and 70's. Because of negligent tracks and inferior equipment, there was like a 20 mortality rate. It wasn't safe until the 80's when they developed better protection. Is there better material and or technology for helmets and pads? Are they too expensive? There is no price you can put on a highschool kid. Now a days when kids are evolving into larger frames, there has to be evolution in protection.

Guys, its a b.s. automated response to any and all concerns with their programming. I guarantee you that the complaint from baby wasn't even read. It came in as a concern and her email auto replies that garbage. Honestly, the only way to really make a stink about this is for another media outlet to do a story about them. If I was the mayor of Vidor, I would ask the Orange Leader and the Beaumont Enterprise to address it. Better yet, the Examiner. They tell it how it is.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1185942" timestamp="1330219579"] [quote author=skipper link=topic=96439.msg1185938#msg1185938 date=1330219355] the other guy stayed to long i just loved his play calling  3rd and a inch  lets kick a FG :-X [/quote] In that particular situation, that was Cornel's decision to kick FG. [/quote] Which, in that situation, was not a bad idea with the way our kicks were.  Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[quote name="Smoking Baby" post="1181848" timestamp="1329842554"] [quote author=kicker link=topic=96211.msg1181770#msg1181770 date=1329834810] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96211.msg1181735#msg1181735 date=1329832528] [quote author=Smoking Baby link=topic=96211.msg1180570#msg1180570 date=1329572941] Yesterday while driving home I was listening to sport 610 around 400PM and was blown away by what I heard.  Everyone on here knows I love to talk smack and I rarely worry about being politically correct, however my favorite sports station crossed the line.  Josh Ennis and former Texan's lineman ND Kalu held a racially charged session about Vidor. Here is what they did: They now have a new segement called "Vidor-Tales".  The segement started with saying ND had obtained a history text book from Vidor High School and in it says, "Martin Luther King's dream was to grow watermelons without seeds."  They went on to say it also says, "Mrs. Parks rode in the front of the bus because she thought the first stop was a kentucky fried chicken store".  This was followed by ND saying his coach in college told him to never got o Montrose or Vidor.  The remainder of the program was filled with callers calling in to tell their racial "Vidor-Tales". The entire segement had a banjo playing in the background.  Here is a link......[url=[Hidden Content] Tales! « CBS Houston]Vidor Tales! « CBS Houston [/url]  Funny they never mentioned how the town came together after a young black athlete passed away this past season, or how the things they discussed were 40 or 50 years old.  What a discrace!  Sport's 610 Program Director EMail: [url=[Hidden Content] [/url] Vidor, hats off too you!  Damn fine place to live. [/quote]Is there such a history book or the host was making this up? I'm from Houston and remember stopping at a full-service gas station (in the 80's). We didn't know anything about the area at that time. The guy never came out and pumped our gas. We left. But, I use to drive to Vidor in the 90's (after I moved to Beaumont) to go shopping at one of their stores a couple of times. [/quote] Maybe because full service stations were fizzled out in the 60's? lol. Never heard of one in the 80's except for the handicapped. [/quote] Admit it, you have never been to the city........ ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Man....Im from the hood, lol.

[quote name="UHFALCON" post="1179894" timestamp="1329491165"] There are more jobs available already this year than last year total it seems.  Lots of HC turnover- wonder if the college type pressure of win now is trickling down into the High School level.  Drew Starnes is of great TX high School coaching legacy(his Dad Ernie was coach at CE King when they were an absolute pwoerhouse in the late 80's early 90's) and is OC at Kingwood now- wonder if he has a shot. [/quote] Remember those CE King years. Believe they bounced us in the first round 3 years in a row. 89, 90, 91?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1181735" timestamp="1329832528"] [quote author=Smoking Baby link=topic=96211.msg1180570#msg1180570 date=1329572941] Yesterday while driving home I was listening to sport 610 around 400PM and was blown away by what I heard.  Everyone on here knows I love to talk smack and I rarely worry about being politically correct, however my favorite sports station crossed the line.  Josh Ennis and former Texan's lineman ND Kalu held a racially charged session about Vidor. Here is what they did: They now have a new segement called "Vidor-Tales".  The segement started with saying ND had obtained a history text book from Vidor High School and in it says, "Martin Luther King's dream was to grow watermelons without seeds."  They went on to say it also says, "Mrs. Parks rode in the front of the bus because she thought the first stop was a kentucky fried chicken store".  This was followed by ND saying his coach in college told him to never got o Montrose or Vidor.  The remainder of the program was filled with callers calling in to tell their racial "Vidor-Tales". The entire segement had a banjo playing in the background.  Here is a link......[url=[Hidden Content] Tales! « CBS Houston]Vidor Tales! « CBS Houston [/url]  Funny they never mentioned how the town came together after a young black athlete passed away this past season, or how the things they discussed were 40 or 50 years old.  What a discrace!  Sport's 610 Program Director EMail: [url=[Hidden Content] [/url] Vidor, hats off too you!  Damn fine place to live. [/quote]Is there such a history book or the host was making this up? I'm from Houston and remember stopping at a full-service gas station (in the 80's). We didn't know anything about the area at that time. The guy never came out and pumped our gas. We left. But, I use to drive to Vidor in the 90's (after I moved to Beaumont) to go shopping at one of their stores a couple of times. [/quote] Maybe because full service stations were fizzled out in the 60's? lol. Never heard of one in the 80's except for the handicapped.

[quote name="rollinac" post="1180677" timestamp="1329593876"] I doubt it'll even get them any bad press....the vast majority of folks in the listening area have no interaction with Vidor or anyone from there. [/quote] Well...then someone from the Vidor community needs to MAKE this a big deal. If I were a Vidorian, I would be outraged and offended. The Vidor folks should contact anyone and everyone that has involment and demand an over-the-air appology and those guys should only be able to get a job as a shopping cart guy at dollar general. I pray that all of our local Orange County media sources and elected officials, stand up for the Vidor community and make sure those morons pay for the blatant racism. I guess graduating the 8th grade is enough to be on sports talk radio now. I know an elected official quite well here in Orange County and will bring it to his attention. Trust me, the man doesnt tolerate racism or smithing of our great county or its great citizens.

How can this happen? Those guys should be terminated. Look at the radio guy a few years ago (Don Amos?sp)that said something about a black basketball players hair and it made national news. He was also terminated. It wasnt meant to be racial, he was just making a joke. This, on the other hand, is racism at its worst. This needs to be brought to the attention of everyone involved including CBS. That is just plain sick!!

[quote name="Socrates" post="1143591" timestamp="1323538386"] Go Texans [/quote] Dude, put down the redbull and stop running around in circles. Is "go texans" the only thing you can say? And your "tired of all the argyle posts? This is a 1 page thread so far. You have more posts than they do. Lol.

[quote name="elhector1" post="1143849" timestamp="1323556579"] Ysleta is in El Paso's Lower Valley...used to have traditions that make PN-G's look quiet by comparison.  Had an all-girl drum corps that could be heard for miles.  Now the kids are indifferent to anything.  Hopefully, it will change. [/quote] Also the oldest city in Texas I believe. ;)

Replying to a previous post about sportsmanship, etc. You won't have to worry about that. Both teams are taught disciple and respect. And on top of that, both teams really respect each other. That won't be an issue. Just remember that whoever wins this game will represent our area so let's not beat up on each other too much. Lol. Can't waight for 730. CS is about to see the best team they have all year. We are THE WEST ORANGE STARK MUSTANGS, the state of Texas will find out we are back. 8)