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I'll go ahead and answer for everyone...he knew this was a lie when he said it.

So welfare, obamacare, medicare and social security is left to the states? No. The fed gov has no constitutional business in any of this...I know, I know, it's the way it is, but they really don't. I would rather take care of my own financial future, but the fed gov says no, and confiscates funds from me for my "social security" and medical insurance as well as inflated taxes to pay for all the other social programs (aka welfare) that I have to fund. The fed gov is neck deep in social programs.

Yep...all that should be decided by the states. If someone doesn't like the laws a state is putting in place, there are 49 others to choose from. I am a social conservative but I don't want gov forcing my views on anyone, but I also don't want liberal views forced on me.

Nah, we need to move right fiscally and leave the social part to the states. Left socially on the federal level always costs lots of taxpayer money.

I couldn't agree more!

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Me too I think I'll bring a guitar.

There it is... Have a good day C1.

8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast. I'll even use the ESV. We are saved not by anything we do...you can't do anything to earn salvation...it is a gift. Baptism is simply an obedient act that follows. I'm about done here...would still like to get an answer to my question...as a Baptist,Methodist, Lutheran etc, am I saved

1 Peter 3:21New King James Version (NKJV) 21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Get an accurate Bible...it's not the water (referral to the removal of filth), but a good conscience toward God - Saved by Grace THROUGH the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Read "Ripped from the Bible". Just check it out and make up your own mind. Still didn't get an answer on the Church of Christ question so I'm clear on it...as a Baptist, Methodist or any other religion other than Church of Christ, can I be saved?

Exactly right...happened in 1881 from the Westcott-Hort text. C1, why in the world would the Holy Spirit put it in in the first place if He didn't need it? And many of the passages do change the meaning. Like I said, read Floyd Jones "Ripped from the Bible" and educate yourself.

C1, Couldn't reply to your post...there was too much other stuff that got pasted looks like. You are wrong on Grace, It's a gift, you can't earn it...you (and me) don't deserve it...it is a GIFT from God. Should we be obedient...yes. But you cannot earn grace...it's a gift when we are saved...and is extended until we are called home. Can I get an answer on the Church of Christ question so I'm clear on it?

There is if they are revisions based on the Westcott-Hort text...if you haven't heard of them, look it up. Read Floyd Jones "Ripped from the Bible"

Nothing to be done about Grace...it's a gift...no works required. What you're not getting is that if you are truly saved, the works and following of the Commandments will follow, but they are not a requirement to be saved...that is a free gift through Grace. Your sins are washed away by the Blood of Christ...not water. Baptism is a symbol of you dying to yourself and rising in Christ...doesn't save you. I will ask again...do you believe, like many Church of Christs believe, that you must be Saved and Baptized within the Church of Christ to go to Heaven? Simple question...yes or no. I was actually told this so I need some clarification.

Romans 10:9 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Nothing about Baptism requirements. Wonder why it doesn't say whoever does not believe and get baptized will be condemned in Mark 16:16? So answer the question...are Baptists, Methodists Saved or must they be Saved and Baptized in the Church of Christ...is that your belief.

So is it your belief that someone must be Saved and Baptized within the Church of Christ to go to Heaven?

I already have. Romans 10:9 C1, you are Church of Christ, correct?

The moment you accept Christ into you heart, you are saved. You should follow with Baptism as a public display of your acceptance of Christ, but that won't keep you out of Heaven. That would make a deathbed confession null and void.

Like I told C1, if what you are doing is working...carry on. Question...are you Church of Christ?

What are you talking about...that is not what I said.

The ignorance lies with folks like you that refuse to believe the GOP is it's own worst enemy. Did the Tea party pick John McCain or Mitt Romney...no. And Silver was blindsided and completely wrong about Trump...thought he would be a flash in the pan and go away.

We hold each other accountable as Christians...I'm talking about how we talk to non-believers. Point out all the things you see wrong with someone as a non-believer and see how long they keep listening.

My argument isn't with you or God...all I am saying is I have seen how you have talked to what seems to be non-believers... "try again, though....I love sharpening my skills in debates with you atheists and agnostics..... " and if I were them it would make me want to have no part in any Church you were involved in. Remember, you have to get them in the door first...you have a good day, if these tactics are working for you and folks are flocking to your Church, carry on.

lol...no, I'm not calling you drama queenish...I'm saying the "end of the world / party over" scenarios you threw out if either Clinton or Trump are elected are. I don't need to wait until November to see the damage the establishment has done to the party...I been watching it for a while. By the way, whether you take my opinion over anyone else's makes no difference to me. But I'm curious, how accurate was Silver about Trump's success?

I am not going to argue this with you on a forum (you do know we are not to do that either, right?) I will just point out the Scripture I put up, Roman 10:9 is very clear, people are the ones that pile on extra stuff and become legalistic. The "believe in your heart" is where it starts and if you truly believe, you will follow along with the rest. Do I believe you should be baptized...absolutely...if you aren't baptized, will that keep you from going to Heaven if you are saved...nope. Pretty sure the thief on the Cross never got baptized.