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[quote name="tigerguy" post="956187" timestamp="1296186494"] They should "uni" it up just like the baseball coaches do!   ;D [/quote] :D  :D , better yet the uni from their high school days, can you even buy shorts that short anymore? back to the original question i think neat is enough, i guess its a tradition thing to tie up?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="955949" timestamp="1296163067"] Yep, I still some teams playing to not getting blown out. Then walk around after the game as if they really accomplished something. ::) [/quote] hadn't they blue?  :D

Did anybody else see this on Yahoo? Stalling a team that previously blew you out and force 3 OT's...thats giving your team a shot. [url=[Hidden Content] for success[/url]

[quote name="mammagotjuice" post="955424" timestamp="1296095355"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=79264.msg954977#msg954977 date=1296053040] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=79264.msg954903#msg954903 date=1296044314] Do you think Coach Richard is simply investing in the future, knowing that his team is going to be stronger in the coming years and teaching them to play with 10 players instead of 5?  I mean, I know that if I was going to play 20 minutes instead of 29 or 30, I could go all out and play with a higher level of intensity. [/quote]I think its more investing with the present. The HF coach knows exactly what lineup to use that will give them the maximum effort to compete. I've seen him do it ONCE! He's a egood guy and wants all his players to play and I can understand this position. Thats how we play in middle school and its fun for the kids. But you have entitled kids in that hs program :D [/quote]Actually what I would like to see next season is a tougher pre-district season. Sabine pass, Tarkington, and evadale will get you some wins and the record will look promising but those games don't challenge the team. Sure a couple of light games is fine...but the team needs to get some experience at pulling through a tough one in order to be able to do it in a district game. [/quote] hey, hey, naming names, is that really necessary?  ;) ;D

this is headin for ugly.....

[quote name="horndawg" post="953572" timestamp="1295828264"] [quote author=BIGMO44 link=topic=78978.msg953533#msg953533 date=1295824323] [quote author=horndawg link=topic=78978.msg951036#msg951036 date=1295449565] It is easy to get on here and complain.......why not man up and ref a few games yourself and see how much more difficult it is than what it looks like from the stands.....but that would require you to actually do something..... Or better yet, lets make it a rule that all refs must sit in the stands because so much more can be seen from there....... PS: I am not a ref [/quote]dawg you make a good point. But I'm not a Ref because I know I'd blow it...often.  So, if I pay to watch a game that my kid or kids I've known their entire life I do expect the best effort possible from the Refs that are GETTING PAID.  Now I do understand that there will be mistakes, thats part of it and as a player you play through it, but it does seem that the last few years there has been a turn for the worse concerning officiating.  I have seen one Ref basically call the whole game from all over the floor and some Refs think they must blow the whistle to seem as if their doing their job...I dont have the answer but if you spend much time watching BB its obvious that the quality is going down.  If Ive got to man up and call a game before I can state an opinion than we must all serve as President before we voice our opinion concerning our country...I know, a bit of a stretch but just making a point...JMO [/quote] Don't have a problem with people stating there opinion, but just like voicing your opinion concerning our country, if your not willing to get involved in making changes in things you are concerned about, then quit griping.....JMO as well [/quote] i believe that was the point of the thread, thats how involvement starts, first analysis, then opinion, then suggestions, then possibly making changes if one is in a position to do so. as long as it stays constructive it should be all good. but ever few posts someone gets defensive and says "oh yeah well you've never done it so just shut up about it", more or less. that reminds me of the story of the emperor's clothes, nobody is supposed to notice or at least not say anything right? "getting involved" doesn't mean "go be a ref" necessarily, it may mean alot of things, including constructive criticism. but to say somebody shouldn't have an opinion because they've never done it doesn't hold water imho. there have been some credible suggestions in the thread. and btw, most of the issues don't involve missed calls, that happens, it involves rather obvious bias and inconsistency, and the guys out there busting their tails doing a good job don't deserve the reputation of their craft being tarnished by a [b]few[/b] that don't. its pretty shallow to assume that we're only happy with the officials when our team wins. i've seen well called games where we've gotten drummed, and i've seen some sorry ones where we would have gotten drummed anyway because of poor play. and yes even poorly called games (in our favor) where we came out on top and those too i wished were done right. this thread is somewhat negative but given the responses it seems that it is also necessary. i guess i see your point in as much as we should start "reporting" officials to uil or the chapter instead of bringing it up on a very popular and well read forum, but folks are gonna go where somebody will 1. listen, and 2. either support them or convince them theres no reason for concern. so the forum is not important enough to promote change but is important enough to be a problem if someone complains publicly on it? make up your mind. maybe you're right, maybe the "complainers" should form a watchdog group to meet and voice our concerns in a unified way to the uil (how do you think that would fly?), or maybe self "policing" is a better option for all parties concerned. sports should be about the coaches and athletes, not the officials. whatever it takes to get there......lets get there and move on because we'd all rather spend our time talking about great plays and players and great games.

[quote name="xavierbreath" post="951483" timestamp="1295492675"] [quote author=hitchpin link=topic=78978.msg951273#msg951273 date=1295471003] the old argument "if you don't like how they do it then suit up and do it yourself" is lame. i didn't sign up to nor accept pay (however poor it is) to do it, they did and they should do it fairly without emotion or bias. alot of officials do it for the love of the sport not the pay, kudos to those who do. i'd bet they're among the best. if we run out of officials, oh well. i'd be just as happy with the kids calling their own compared to some of the mess i've seen this year. i swear i think the kids would be fairer to each other than [u]some[/u] of the grown men calling. [/quote] Are you kidding me?  You never have done it, yet you are an expert.  You, without ever officiating a game can tell refs, that have gone thru at least some training, how it should be done?  As was posted earlier "man up", put on a shirt and experience it.  Then get on a board and read all the threads about how terrible you are at calling a game. ;D [/quote] no i wasn't kidding, did you see a "lol" anywhere in the post? apparently your reading comprehension is low. i don't expect refs to be perfect or all knowing, just unbiased and unemotional about calling the game, and consistent and accountable. i'm far from an expert, thats kinda the point it doesn't take an expert to see the inconsistency. as stated i didn't sign up to do it. part of the problem is people thinking they are beyond reproach simply because someone with a critical comment doesn't do that same job. thats unintelligent. if you accepted the job and pay then do it right, thats right by the kids. i want to reiterate that i've seen some well called games this year, a few. to those that are doing it fairly thank you for having the wherewithall and integrity to do a good job. if you don't know who you are...well then you know who you are.

[quote name="mfd814" post="951324" timestamp="1295475836"] Staying up late one day of the week to watch my son play the game he loves is worth it.  We are used to the late nights, the travel etc.  [i][b][size=12pt]He can sleep in the car on the way home.[/size][/b][/i]  It is nice to have the teams at one place, so the girls and boys can support each other, or if you have a son and daughter that both play.   [/quote] you mean the bus?

i've seen some poorly called games this year but never one that is COMPLETELY one sided for the entire game, the problem is in the consistency of the calls, what was not a foul 3 minutes ago suddenly is a foul now, players can't adjust to that, they just get frustrated. a ref not KNOWING rules is one thing, we all can understand a blown call now and again, but when a ref is looking right at a kid that carries the ball several times a game and never blows the whistle.....come on, hang the whistle up, your bias is showing. most fans or players don't want an [i]advantage[/i], they'd just like it to be fair. it does [i]seem[/i] often times the officials want to dictate the outcome by selective calling, then try to "make up" for it by calling more evenly once the issue is settled (one team is in control of the score). i agree with everything etbb is saying, including upping the admission to fund an evaluation process (game film not coaches "gradesheets") that would reward good officiating (financially). there are some good officials doing the job without emotional involvement but a higher percentage it seems either consciously or sub-consciously think they should [i]dictate[/i] the outcome. someone's reference to baseball is a moot point, there are some poor umpires too, many will tell you "off the record" they'll make calls based on factors other than the strictest guidelines of the rules. the old argument "if you don't like how they do it then suit up and do it yourself" is lame. i didn't sign up to nor accept pay (however poor it is) to do it, they did and they should do it fairly without emotion or bias. alot of officials do it for the love of the sport not the pay, kudos to those who do. i'd bet they're among the best. if we run out of officials, oh well. i'd be just as happy with the kids calling their own compared to some of the mess i've seen this year. i swear i think the kids would be fairer to each other than [u]some[/u] of the grown men calling. the bottom line is that its doubtful any more money will be spent to improve the system. hats off to you guys that are doing the job right and we can just hope that your mentoring will bring around those who obviously don't have a clue.

Silsbee by just enough to make it sting, as well coached as HJ is......lets just say HJ will win the one at home and the "big" one. I'll be glad if they prove me wrong about tonight.

Huffman 92 Tarkington 70

[quote name="newberrybass" post="939149" timestamp="1293579249"] LOL. Today's game was ridiculous.  I believe there were 6 charges called against one team in the first half alone.  Teams were in the bonus halfway through the first quarter and again in the third quarter.  Totally phantom calls and then no calls on total hacks.  I really don't have any idea what the refs were seeing.  It was really bad both ways. [/quote] i don't know exactly which game you're talking about but it seems the officiating in the area has gotten just plain sorry overall. once again, some good refs doing a fine job but the proportion of just outrageously poor ones has multiplied. its taking some of the fun out of it, nobody likes to see poor calls, i'm not talking about "close" ones, i'm talking about calls that are obviously bad even if they are against your opponent.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="938585" timestamp="1293457538"] I received word from Coach Fontenot at East Chambers that Baytown Lee was a last minute dropout of the East Chambers Holiday Classic.  [b]To account for this, Tarkington has been moved from Pool A to Pool B[/b].  Which will change the following: 1.  The only game in Pool A will be the East Chambers/Hamshire-Fannett game at 7:30 p.m. tonight.  THERE WILL BE NO 10:30 GAME FOR EAST CHAMBERS AND NO 3:00 GAME FOR HAMSHIRE-FANNETT. 2.  Orangefield will play Tarkington at 10:30 this morning.  I do not knnow whether the game will be in the Old Gym or New. 3.  Tarkington will play Hitchcock at 7:30 p.m. in the Old Gym. I should receive further word today on how that will affect the brackets come tomorrow and will post that info as soon as I get it. [/quote] how did moving one team out of pool A and leaving it with just two teams into pool B "account"  for anything, why not just leave pool B with two teams and bye the pool B games where the team was dropped from?

i have no idea, but if shepherd has won this game i will change my username to fatNLacy

[quote name="meadowlark" post="934520" timestamp="1292552243"] Dang, can someone explain to me why Leggett would schedule a game with Cleveland?  Talk about a confidence killer. Just does not make sense to me. [/quote] to get better...

ONALASKA WINS 75-67

maybe a compromise is suitable, like with tats, if you want to keep it [b]cover it[/b]. after all, how his hair looks on his own time is his business (might hurt his self esteem you see) and he can't just grow it back after every practice or game, but if he loves the game and wants to keep the dreds maybe he should wear a skull cap or suitable cover in practice and games maybe even during school, but at the end its the coaches decision....

[quote name="W-gal Dad" post="927886" timestamp="1291698765"] [quote author=hitchpin link=topic=77055.msg927321#msg927321 date=1291611257] [quote author=texaggies07 link=topic=77055.msg926788#msg926788 date=1291575870] This is gonna be one of the top playoff games in the State.  This could have easily been a State championship game.  IMO whoever wins this one probably takes the title.  Good luck to both schools. [/quote] LT vs Cedar Park was the championship game b/c nobody else could beat either one, LT wins not by a mile but comfortably. [/quote] Wow I guess Friendswood should not even show up.  [/quote] nobody said that, it's a predictions thread, i'm sure FW has a great team or they wouldn't be there, my point was simply that LT is going to 4 peat IMO. should be a great game.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="927474" timestamp="1291657228"] I have the perfect solution for bad refs: Stop hacking, stop making errant passes, missed free throws and missed shots. [/quote] good points dove, but boys will be boys, even nba boys. thats why the stripes are there.

[quote name="Tweeter" post="927492" timestamp="1291659545"] [quote author=east texas bb link=topic=76979.msg925368#msg925368 date=1291428654] It is not fair to the teams that actually try to do things the right way and teach fundamental play and then get in the game and allow the athletes to take over because they are stronger or faster.   [/quote] really? It's an unfair advantage to be a superior athlete?  Maybe the most ignorant things I've ever read here ??? ::) [/quote] its an unfair advantage when those "superior" athletes are allowed to break the rules of the game. if those superior athletes play skilled basketball then more power to them, but it is not within the realm of the rules for a stronger athlete to use brute force to have an advantage because the rules aren't enforced. that was the point, not that good athletes shouldn't be allowed to excel, just that they shouldn't be allowed to ignore the rules and played unskilled brute force basketball. basketball is [i]somewhat[/i] physical but in some cases its gotten out of hand. primarily it is a game of wit and skill, if it weren't then just throw out the foul rules. even rugby has rules.

[quote name="texaggies07" post="926788" timestamp="1291575870"] This is gonna be one of the top playoff games in the State.  This could have easily been a State championship game.  IMO whoever wins this one probably takes the title.  Good luck to both schools. [/quote] LT vs Cedar Park was the championship game b/c nobody else could beat either one, LT wins not by a mile but comfortably.

[quote name="east texas bb" post="925368" timestamp="1291428654"] The problem with officiating is that officials have nothing at stake, as do the coaches.  They have not put in hours and hours of work to get inconsitent calling.  The worst thing about officiating is the defender guarding the ball, dont get me wrong, but it is a foul to impede a dribbler if he is dribbler.  That means if you touch him on his pursiut to get past you that it is a foul.  I am all for playing aggressive defense and alot of people think that coaches are good because they teach their players to play hard.  But, they need to teach them to play hard without fouling.  Handchecking and riding a player up and down the court is a foul and needs to be called so.  It is not fair to the teams that actually try to do things the right way and teach fundamental play and then get in the game and allow the athletes to take over because they are stronger or faster.  The intregrity and fungamentals  of the game should be protected more and they are not.  This is something that is very bad in Region 3.  Once teams get past this region they will soon find out that officials from different areas protect the findamentals.  This should be their priority, but like I said they have no concern over protecting the game(they want to make their money and go on, I know there are exceptions) and allowing it to become a free for all, and a mindset to let the kids decide the game. Let the kids decide the game within the rules because basketball is a game of skills and athleticism not just athleticism.  Call the game the way it is read in the UIL handbook.  It is as simple as that.  Great example:  I saw Martins Mill get beat today by 6 points because the officials allowed Paris to ride them up and down the court.  5 out of 5 times they dont call a foul and then the one team gets a steal and its ok.  What about the other 5 times where they fouled and didnt call it?  If officials dont start calling the games the right way, the fundamentals, which in my opinion make the game beautiful to watch, will not be taught as much,  [/quote] good post, i agree with you about protecting the fundamentals and how rough play is often rewarded above skill. i do believe the rules read something to effect of "contact that impedes movement" or something to that effect for fouls, but i see alot of hip bumping in the traps that doesn't get called, until you least expect it. you can see the frustration of both teams as their arms are torn from the ball for a steal, then 20 seconds later a love tap gets whistled. there are some games that would be better off with players calling fouls, sure there would be bad calls but i don't think it could get much worse. at least the kids would learn some respect for each other. really would it be that hard to pick a few game films (after the fact) and evaluate officials in a constructive manner? i'd pay another buck admission if it went to funding a program that improved this situation and maybe a bonus for refs that got high scores!!!

[quote name="GrayDog" post="924970" timestamp="1291396358"] In the heat of the game, it doesn't matter if the call was good or not...  there is always going to be half the fans happy and the other  :'( half mad!! [/quote] thats not entirely true, the fans get upset when there's inconsistency, especially in the same game.

[quote name="HoopInsider_Cooper" post="924750" timestamp="1291352244"] They meet on Sundays I believe, and have plenty of openings! [/quote] Its not like its volunteer work, its a paying gig, nobody is perfect but some of its pretty poor. Its not for everybody but if they take the job they should do it fairly. I don't know about this tourney, but recently i saw an official threaten to remove an entire section of spectators because one parent made some comments he didn't care for. I've seen some rowdy spectators and this was not one, we didn't even hear him sitting a few feet from him. The official knew where the comments were coming from and threatens an entire section of parents and grandparents that had nothing to do with it, thats just ignorant and gives the profession a black eye. Its simple, turn off the volume and grow a little thicker skin, do a fair job (already this year i've seen 2 lopsidedly called games), collect the money and go home. Its not an officials job to [i]dictate[/i] the outcome of a game and the fact that some would like to censor any feedback only reinforces the point that they're not interested in doing better. The sooner theres some internal evaluation and consequences the sooner the players, fans, and the guys out there doing a good job will be happy, and to those that are kudos to them. I fear that percentage is slipping.

[quote name="Go-rilla" post="924128" timestamp="1291302695"] BH not very good in basketball this year.. Toon saw writing on wall.. Liberty has not been good in basketball in a while... If someone paid good money to see this game they should have flipped themselves off!! [/quote] now thats funny.....on the serious side i have no doubt liberty has improved, i mean what were they last year 2-10 in district? i expect to see improvement, but it's a little early to crown them "contenders", theres alot of bball to play and talent alone does not a team make, composure will be the key.