ozens fastest@1906

After the first 2 and 1/2 pages I thought this would end up a waste of a thread and also my time reading. However I'm glad I read through the entire thread and all post before clicking off. As a coach for the past 20 years both in SETX and now in the Greater Houston Area and being very familiar with the WOS Tradition/ Culture and also the last good playoff runs in Ozen's short history, I feel as though I have earned the right to reply to some of the comments in regards to Elite Coaching and also Talent / Culture and how the state of football in SETX has changed in the past few years. 1) IZZY you know I love ya like a son but the (50) 5-2 defense isn't trash, IT worked for years for the Mustangs because CT "Mastered" it along with his staff who many forget never really changed for years. So when you have coaches who have mastered a specific scheme and when I use the term mastered I mean they know how to make all of the adjustments in the scheme for what ever offenses will try to show em. What worked for the past coaching staff will not work for the present staff because its not them, simple as that!! You can't replace almost 30 years of CULTURE and as a community expect the same results. 2) Talent plays just as much a part as Coaching "ELITE" or NOT.. An ELITE Coach I wont say any names but I will say this, he hired ME and gave me my first HS Coaching Job.. "You Cant Win The Kentucky Derby With A Mule" to break it down for you, You Cant Win A UIL STATE Championship Without Talent. 3) Talent can make an average Coach look alot better but who cares, that average coach still has to put that TALENT into position to win, and also manage all of the talent on and off the field, and most importantly LEAD all that TALENT. 4) What it all comes down to is allowing Coaches to set the culture for their programs, communities providing support financially and proudly supporting that team all year long. Championships aren't won in the FALL, they are won in the offseason and summer conditioning.

Sure do, Coach Foster is doing well, yes he is currently retired. Will private message you more info... Great Coach who mentored me alot both as player and then again as a young coach and Defensive Coordinator.

You obviously never witnessed what Ambres did on the field. Brown was a great HS & College QB, however Ambres was equally as Talented if not more, he chose MLB over Texas A&M football so we never got to see him in college...

Well obviously and we know why, HE WAS THE BEST FOR THE JOB, and at that "TIME" HE WAS THE BEST COACH no matter what ethnic or race who could handle that situation and trust me if you knew how many people didn't want for him to have the job because of times then. guess I should have stated in last few decades!!

gotcha, well I said in the another post that at this point it doesnt matter who they hire or what his background is. Football has to be a priority DISTRICT WIDE and that means providing that coach with the resources and ability to structure the program to as needed. Coaches/Kids in athletic periods, competitive stipends, etc..

I think you need to elaborate, color wasn't the issue with the West Brook hire like it has been for years. West Brook has never HIRE and African American Coach...

What Izzy is saying from a coaches point which has to be respected since he has both played and coached at a level higher than most of the people trying to discredit him is simply this.. 6A programs especially a program which will see not only the best in HOUSTON AREA but the STATE. NORTH SHORE, ATASCACITA, CE KING (who knocked off a perennial top ten school as of recently) not too mention SUMMER CREEK. Gains nothing in regards to preparing for DISTRICT PLAY by playing down a CONFERENCE. Its like an SEC team playing LAMAR UNIVERSITY in order to prepare for GEORGIA, BAMA, LSU. 5A programs lack the O/LINE and D/LINE players that majority of your 6A schools will feature especially those which are in that Districts. SUMMER CREEK AND ATASCOCITA ALONE will feature at least two Power 5 linemen. When is the last time PNG has had those type of players in the trenches.. They are the norms in that district.. Yes PNG will be disciplined and are very well coached but nothing can prepare you for 6’5 300 every district game but actually facing it!!!

IZZY is right and its not about coaching or athletes at this point in BISD. Both schools have more than enough athletes to at least compete, and when I say compete I saying w/ 5A programs SMDH... The infrastructure for FOOTBALL is HORRIBLE. You can't compete at the 6A level when you don't have all of your COACHES/ATHLETES in the athletic period. Your athletes are put into BEHIND the 8ball when the playing field is not level. 6A OC/DC coordinators should not teach full loads of classes and only coach after school. Athletes cannot compete when the only time they are coached is after school. UIL and the state of TEXAS has allowed sport specific athletic classes (PE/ Athletic Periods) and when some schools take advantage and others don't it shows on the field. Also financially (the stipends in BISD) are not comparable to any of other 6A programs in the state so bringing in quality coaches/ or keeping coaches in a small town compared to LARGER DISTRICTS is hurting no only FB but all sports.. Im sorry but Basketball has a total of less than 50 players in a program. A quality FB program will have 100-120 so make it make since where BISD is putting their attention when it comes Athletics....

That's a first for me "Equally caliber coaching"

Yall dont get it, the AD is a basketball guy who didn't coach very long if at all that I can remember. So fighting to put football in a better situation at both schools is not at the top of the list "maybe not even on the list"

. Kingwood/West Brook 2. Magnolia West/Magnolia 3. Baytown Lee/Galveston Ball 4. United/PA Memorial 5. Nederland/Dayton 6. PN-G/Kingwood Park 7. Texas City/Crosby 8. Lumberton/Huffman 9. Splendora/Livingston 10. Vidor/LC-M 11. Jasper/Carthage 12. Rusk/Madisonville 13. Bridge City/Silsbee 14. Hamshire-Fannett/Hardin-Jefferson 15. WO-S/Orangefield 16. Diboll/Palestine Westwood 17. Buna/East Chambers 18. Kirbyville/Hardin 19. New Waverly/Hemphill 20. Garrison/Shelbyville 21. Timpson/San Augustine 22. West Sabine/Lovelady 23. High Island/Burkeville 24. Hull-Daisetta/Evadale 25. Trinity/Huntington

1. Atascocita/Summer Creek 2. College Station/Lufkin 3. Goose Creek Memorial/Baytown Lee 4. Friendswood/United 5. Galveston Ball/PA Memorial 6. Barbers Hill/PN-G 7. Nederland/Texas City 8. LC-M/Huffman 9. Livingston/Lumberton 10. Vidor/Splendora 11. Rusk/Jasper 12. Hardin-Jefferson/Bridge City 13. Orangefield/Liberty 14. Silsbee/WO-S 15. Palestine Westwood/Crockett 16. East Chambers/Anahuac 17. Hardin/Buna 18. Corrigan-Camden/Kountze 19. Newton/New Waverly 20. Garrison/Timpson 21. San Augustine/Joaquin 22. Lovelady/Colmesneil 23. Tenaha/West Sabine 24. Deweyville/Hull-Daisetta 25. Elkhart/Diboll

1. Summer Creek/CE King 2. Lufkin/New Caney 3. Baytown Lee/La Porte 4. Galveston Ball/Beaumont United 5. PA Memorial/Goose Creek Memorial 6. Crosby/Barbers Hill 7. PN-G/Dayton 8. Santa Fe/Nederland 9. Bridge City/Hamshire-Fannett 10. Liberty/Silsbee 11. WO-S/Hardin-Jefferson 12. Diboll/Huntington 13. Anahuac/Hardin 14. Buna/Tarkington 15. Kirbyville/Woodville 16. Kountze/Hemphill 17. New Waverly/Warren 18. Splendora/Shepherd 19. Jasper/LC-M 20. Anderson-Shiro/Newton 21. West Sabine/Overton 22. Mt. Enterprise/Cushing 23. Coldspring/Trinity 24. Crockett/Elkhart 25. Baytown Sterling/Friendswood

QUICK LINK WHICH WAS POSTED A FEW YEARS BACK...

1. Cleveland/Magnolia West 2. Lufkin/Magnolia 3. Atascocita/Denton Guyer 4. West Brook/Deer Park 5. Huntsville/CE King 6. Bay City/Vidor 7. Hamshire-Fannett/Splendora 8. Navasota/Huffman 9. Shepherd/Liberty 10. Hardin-Jefferson/Jasper 11. Silsbee/Pleasant Grove 12. Livingston/Diboll 13. Bridge City/Anahuac 14. Lumberton/East Chambers 15. Orangefield/Buna 16. WO-S/Newton 17. Coldspring/Tarkington 18. Corrigan-Camden/Elkhart 19. Deweyville/Warren 20. Kelly/Kountze 21. Hull-Daisetta/West Hardin 22. Cushing/Evadale 23. West Sabine/Beckville 24. Shelbyville/Groveton 25. West Rusk/San Augustine

1. Magnolia/College Station 2. Magnolia West/Lufkin 3. Porter/New Caney 4. Waller/Cleveland 5. Conroe/Summer Creek 6. Barbers Hill/Houston Heights 7. Goose Creek Memorial/Dayton 8. PA Memorial/Crosby 9. PN-G/Tomball 10. Baytown Lee/Lumberton 11. Silsbee/Nederland 12. Huffman/Bridge City 13. Vidor/Brazosport 14. Livingston/Orangefield 15. Buna/Hardin-Jefferson 16. Diboll/Liberty 17. East Chambers/Hamshire-Fannett 18. Newton/Kirbyville 19. Woodville/Corrigan-Camden 20. Hemphill/West Sabine 21. Warren/West Hardin 22. Hardin/Beaumont Kelly 23. Colmesneil/Deweyville 24. Shelbyville/Waskom 25. Bullard Brook Hill/Tenaha

1. Tomball Memorial/West Brook 2. Barbers Hill/PA Memorial 3. North Shore/Klein Collins 4. Atascocita/Allen 5. Kingwood Park/New Caney 6. Manvel/Crosby 7. United/PN-G 8. Bellaire Episcopal/Vidor 9. Jasper/Silsbee 10. LC-M/WO-S 11. Lumberton/Coldspring 12. Shepherd/Kirbyville 13. East Chambers/Hardin-Jefferson 14. Orangefield/Woodville 15. Tarkington/Bridge City 16. Buna/Hemphill 17. Newton/Diboll 18. Evadale/Warren 19. Hull-Daisetta/Hardin 20. West Hardin/Kountze 21. Cushing/Deweyville 22. Livingston/Tyler Chapel Hill 23. Summer Creek/Spring Dekaney 24. Liberty/Madisonville 25. Huntington/Shelbyville

1. North Shore/Shadow Creek 2. United/West Brook 3. Lancaster/PA Memorial 4. Katy Paetow/Barbers Hill 5. Jasper/PN-G 6. WO-S/Nederland 7. Liberty/Huffman 8. LC-M/Hamshire-Fannett 9. Lumberton/H. Waltrip 10. Silsbee/Vidor 11. Hardin-Jefferson/Coldspring 12. Shepherd/Tarkington 13. Anahuac/Orangefield 14. Bridge City/Buna 15. Crockett/Corrigan-Camden 16. Hardin/Kountze 17. Kirbyville/Hemphill 18. Woodville/Newton 19. Deweyville/West Hardin 20. San Augustine/West Sabine 21. Somerville/Hull-Daisetta 22. Evadale/Bmt. Kelly 23. Center/Tatum 24. Grapeland/Shelbyville 25. Groveton/Lovelady

I would have to say this may be the most back wood - none athletic competing - hold my beer "then bust his ARSE" statement I have read in a long time. Track & Field and Elite Track & Field takes more coaching than most sports including football. You show me a coach who can teach proper vertical or horizonal jumps technique and I will also show you a football coach who relies on just given the ball to the best athlete (which takes no coaching). A good track and field coach has to understand how to set up an actual training program for all athletes (runners, jumpers, throwers, distance, sprinters, hurdlers...) When you get into the major metroplex cities outside of SETX most HS only hire non football coaches as their Cross Country / Head Track Coaches, its very rare that you have football coaches as the Head Track/ Cross Country coach.

So here is the run down on who they are and why they are top 5! Ceasar - Best overall and complete WR (Hands, Routes, Speed) Brandon Nash - (Hands - Big Play Ability) (Flap) Franklin - (Speed, Speed, Speed) Big Tall WR who could stretch the field Errick Lewis - (Best Route Runner, Hands, Release at LOS) C/O 2000 was #1 on depth chart over (Ceasar & Henderson) Willie Jefferson - (Best Red Zone Threat - Literally unmatched inside the 20) Numbers hurt b/c of offense under Coach Rison Don't let the schools and offers other guys blind you!! This BMT how many guys never got to the next level but clearly had the talent.. How many had the offers and went as (BUST).

Top 5 List!! 1) Caleb Ceasar 2) Brandon Nash 3) Wallace Franklin (Flap) 4) Errick Lewis 5) Willie Jefferson

ALPHA WOLF, what CHURCH are you referring too and when has a church ever had enough influence over who is hired as a Football Coach and also who are some of your qualified candidates that you would have loved to seen get the position..

1. Beaumont United/Sheldon C.E. King 2. Channelview/Beaumont West Brook 3. New Caney/Port Arthur Memorial 4. Baytown Lee/Barbers Hill 5. Crosby/Port Neches-Groves 6. Nederland/Dayton 7. Vidor/Santa Fe 8. Bridge City/Little Cypress-Mauriceville 9. Lumberton/Huffman Hargrave 10. Jasper/Shepherd 11. Hardin-Jefferson/Hamshire-Fannett 12. West Orange-Stark/Silsbee 13. Coldspring-Oakhurst/Diboll 14. East Chambers/Orangefield 15. Hardin/Kirbyville 16. Warren/Anahuac 17. Woodville/Buna 18. Newton/Kountze 19. Hull-Daisetta/San Augustine 20. Shelbyville/Deweyville 21. Evadale/Beaumont Kelly Catholic 22. A&M Consolidated/Lamar Consolidated 23. La Porte/Baytown Sterling 24. Goose Creek Memorial/Porter 25. Livingston/Splendora

1. Beaumont West Brook/Beaumont United 2. Baytown Sterling/Channelview 3. Barbers Hill/Nederland 4. Crosby/Dayton 5. Port Neches-Groves/Vidor 6. Santa Fe/Baytown Lee 7. Diboll/Crockett 8. Anahuac/Buna 9. East Chambers/Hardin 10. Orangefield/Kirbyville 11. Warren/Woodville 12. Evadale/West Hardin 13. Hardin-Jefferson/Tarkington 14. Longview Spring Hill/Silsbee 15. Jasper/West Orange-Stark 16. Shepherd/Hamshire-Fannett 17. Legacy School of Sports Science/Newton 18. Hemphill/West Sabine 19. Beaumont Kelly Catholic/Deweyville 20. Carrollton Prince of Peace/Beaumont Legacy Christian 21. Sabine Pass/Houston KIPP 22. Houston Emery-Weiner/Baytown Christian 23. Galena Park North Shore/Sheldon C.E. King 24. Galena Park/New Caney 25. Huntsville/Cleveland

1. A&M Consolidated/Huntsville 2. Baytown Lee/Port Neches-Groves 3. Newton/Gilmer 4. Grapeland/Evadale 5. Beaumont United/Baytown Sterling 6. Port Arthur Memorial/Galena Park 7. Sheldon C.E. King/Beaumont West Brook 8. Dayton/Barbers Hill 9. Nederland/Santa Fe 10. Vidor/Crosby 11. Coldspring-Oakhurst/Franklin 12. Buna/Orangefield 13. Hardin/Warren 14. Kirbyville/Anahuac 15. Woodville/East Chambers 16. Hardin-Jefferson/Little Cypress-Mauriceville 17. La Marque/Jasper 18. Silsbee/Lumberton 19. Tarkington/Hamshire-Fannett 20. West Orange-Stark/Bridge City 21. Alto/Corrigan-Camden 22. Kountze/Hull-Daisetta 23. San Augustine/Hemphill 24. High Island/Chester 25. Cypress Christian/Beaumont Kelly Catholic