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[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="925799" timestamp="1291480909"] Nederland will face Lufkin in consolation finals at 2pm. [/quote] Any chance you guys get there early and catch some of this game to broadcast?  ;D

Not the best game by Memorial but it's not hard to win when the team you play against has 20+ turnovers.. Nederland needs to get back on track for the YMBL

Nederland #23 in the state for basketball! :o Thats got to be a first!  ;D

I say Silsbee wins but I wouldn't be surprised if Ozen wins instead.. Should be a good game

[quote name="stevenash" post="918205" timestamp="1290631458"] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=76554.msg918174#msg918174 date=1290628363] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=76554.msg918167#msg918167 date=1290627924] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76554.msg918143#msg918143 date=1290625988] I've learned and was taught a loss is a loss just like a win, no matter who steps out on the floor or not. Using missing or injured players is a readily excuse. ;) [/quote] You are absolutely right.  A loss is a loss.  Last time I checked, though, the number of total wins vs the total losses  in relation to ones peers is the important factor. Perceptions are not always correct.  I might ask some of you experts our there just how the perception of the Miami Heat compares to the reality of the Miami Heat at 8-6? Are some offended that I brought up history regarding the last time Nederland beat HJ?  Thats fine.  I have no problem with that.  I find it interesting that there are many who deem history as irrelevant UNTIL the time that history helps to make their point- at which time history suddenly becomes one of the most important factors.  The fact that some schools have a "negative history" does not mean that the "positive history" of other schools is not relevant.  I watched the Cleveland Cavaliers beat the Boston Celtics last week.  Would anyone care to make a substantial wager on which team will go further this season? [/quote] Oh I was simply pointing out that apparently Nederland did see a team that was good enough to go to State. In which Ned did win by 20 because Frances Torres went off and had 45 points. No attack to you Nashy  ;) Simply using your info from when Ned beat HJ by 20, and HJ still went to State. [/quote]  As I said earlier, Cleveland Cavaliers and Toronto Raptors both beat the Celtics this season but I believe only one of those teams will be involved in the playoffs.  I also dont think the Cavs and Raptors are proclaiming themselves world beaters for that feat. [/quote] I dont see how this applies here..  ??? ??? ???  Nederland came into this game expecting to win and did just that. TCB

[quote name="stevenash" post="918201" timestamp="1290631250"] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=76554.msg917887#msg917887 date=1290574143] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=76554.msg917850#msg917850 date=1290570928] [quote author=ForeverADog link=topic=76554.msg917795#msg917795 date=1290568624] Great win dogs. Played well for so early in the season. HJ will be fine this year. Not sure how good the hurt players are but I don't think they are good enough for state though. [/quote] Hurt players???  Well lets see....starting center and best 3 pointer shooter we have.  They will make a difference once and if we get them back.  Not good enough for state???  They never are on paper but always seem to make a run. Would have been nice to just to have left that comment off ForeverADog!!!!! Best of luck to Nederland....they are very good and I hope they win 20-4A again.  Coach English is a class act and great coach!!! [/quote] This is a forum and he can say whatever he would like. I guess that hit you in the soft spot since HJ lost tonight. But it will be OK. Hardin Jefferson is always a good team, but I agree with him. HJ doesn't look like the deep state tournament team like has been in past years. [/quote]  They didnt look like it (according to the wisdom on this board) at this point in either of those two seasons either.  I know you dont like history, but being in the regional final for four or five consecutive years speaks volumes. [/quote] I never said I didnt like history.. Im just saying HJ doesnt look to have that star potential of a team like they have had in the past. Some of the students were started chanting "Over-rated" towards the end of the game. And while they were just saying that because Nederland was winning, I, along with other people in the area who arent wrapped around the idea that HJ created Basketball, can look at what this team has and make some what of a judgement call and say that HJ isnt what they have had in the past. JMO..

[quote name="stevenash" post="918167" timestamp="1290627924"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76554.msg918143#msg918143 date=1290625988] I've learned and was taught a loss is a loss just like a win, no matter who steps out on the floor or not. Using missing or injured players is a readily excuse. ;) [/quote] You are absolutely right.  A loss is a loss.  Last time I checked, though, the number of total wins vs the total losses  in relation to ones peers is the important factor. Perceptions are not always correct.  I might ask some of you experts our there just how the perception of the Miami Heat compares to the reality of the Miami Heat at 8-6? Are some offended that I brought up history regarding the last time Nederland beat HJ?  Thats fine.  I have no problem with that.  I find it interesting that there are many who deem history as irrelevant UNTIL the time that history helps to make their point- at which time history suddenly becomes one of the most important factors.  The fact that some schools have a "negative history" does not mean that the "positive history" of other schools is not relevant.  I watched the Cleveland Cavaliers beat the Boston Celtics last week.  Would anyone care to make a substantial wager on which team will go further this season? [/quote] Oh I was simply pointing out that apparently Nederland did see a team that was good enough to go to State. In which Ned did win by 20 because Frances Torres went off and had 45 points. No attack to you Nashy  ;) Simply using your info from when Ned beat HJ by 20, and HJ still went to State.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="918159" timestamp="1290627355"] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=76603.msg918150#msg918150 date=1290626705] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76603.msg918141#msg918141 date=1290625737] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=76603.msg918085#msg918085 date=1290620244] La Marque has that guard committed to Texas who is ridiculously good. Only seen him play twice over at the Gamble Classic at PA Memorial, but you can tell this kid can play [/quote]And you know whats weird? As good as he is, he didn't get a lot of playing time with the Houston Hoops this past summer. Shows how competitive it is out there. [/quote] Really? What kind of AAU coach is gonna keep a kid that is #76 on 2011 ESPN recruiting class on the bench? [/quote]A coach that has three other guards in the top 10 ;D ;D [/quote] Well then he needs to go somewhere where he can play alot of minutes because I dont see how this kid can sit on the bench. A REAL top 5 player in the state of Texas

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="918141" timestamp="1290625737"] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=76603.msg918085#msg918085 date=1290620244] La Marque has that guard committed to Texas who is ridiculously good. Only seen him play twice over at the Gamble Classic at PA Memorial, but you can tell this kid can play [/quote]And you know whats weird? As good as he is, he didn't get a lot of playing time with the Houston Hoops this past summer. Shows how competitive it is out there. [/quote] Really? What kind of AAU coach is gonna keep a kid that is #76 on 2011 ESPN recruiting class on the bench?

And i was told he had 41 points in this game. (Avg 46.5 per game) this year

[quote name="HJ2012" post="918017" timestamp="1290611588"] Well, HJ's jv is going to be good! I mean just compare the games. The jv team had something to prove, which was that they are not the team their record reflects. [/quote] I didn't see the JV game but i can tell you something about HJ's JV. They played that game alot closer than I expected. Nederland's under levels are among the best in the area. Freshman and JV. And the Varsity is "ok"  ;D

La Marque has that guard committed to Texas who is ridiculously good. Only seen him play twice over at the Gamble Classic at PA Memorial, but you can tell this kid can play

[quote name="stevenash" post="917864" timestamp="1290571831"] [quote author=ForeverADog link=topic=76554.msg917795#msg917795 date=1290568624] Great win dogs. Played well for so early in the season. HJ will be fine this year. Not sure how good the hurt players are but I don't think they are good enough for state though. [/quote] Heres a little history for you dog.  A couple of years ago, Nederland beat HJ by twenty and then HJ turned around and lost to Central the next game and was 1-2.  They were in Austin at the end of the season. [/quote] [quote author=speechless link=topic=76554.msg918056#msg918056 date=1290616954] [quote]Not sure how good the hurt players are but I don't think they are good enough for state though.[/quote] [quote]I'm just saying based off tonight, the one time I have seen them this year, they are not good enough to compete for a trip to Austin[/quote] how could anyone from Nederland know what a team good enough to go to state looks like? :o 2 can play that game [/quote] Well from what Nashy said, We got to see what a team good enough for state "looks" like..  ;) You are right, two can play that game  :D But back to this game and no more history lessons from HJ, because anybody who gets on the Forum knows about HJ and its playoffs runs by all the talk about them. Nederland beat them pretty solid last night. Offense and defense. Both teams had injuries and Both teams looked sloppy. This was one of the first few games of the season for Both teams. Its early.

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="917850" timestamp="1290570928"] [quote author=ForeverADog link=topic=76554.msg917795#msg917795 date=1290568624] Great win dogs. Played well for so early in the season. HJ will be fine this year. Not sure how good the hurt players are but I don't think they are good enough for state though. [/quote] Hurt players???  Well lets see....starting center and best 3 pointer shooter we have.  They will make a difference once and if we get them back.  Not good enough for state???  They never are on paper but always seem to make a run. Would have been nice to just to have left that comment off ForeverADog!!!!! Best of luck to Nederland....they are very good and I hope they win 20-4A again.  Coach English is a class act and great coach!!! [/quote] This is a forum and he can say whatever he would like. I guess that hit you in the soft spot since HJ lost tonight. But it will be OK. Hardin Jefferson is always a good team, but I agree with him. HJ doesn't look like the deep state tournament team like has been in past years.

Sounds like the Dogs got the better this game. Kelvin did the job down low, minus the travels. English stepped up today. Cunn not with his best night. Sloppy play by both teams but glad to get the win at home.

[quote name="stevenash" post="917299" timestamp="1290533460"] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=76408.msg917291#msg917291 date=1290533128] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=76408.msg917277#msg917277 date=1290532466] [quote author=Wildcatter link=topic=76408.msg917113#msg917113 date=1290491356] The press vs the 3.  If HJ presses well then even if they beat press it is just a 2. Those guys will pass a layup to get the 3 ball going.  Should be a great game, anxious to see how the fresh does in his second game.  Good luck to both teams. [/quote]If you look at it that way, then you've never seen an HJ press.  They will get a steal here or there once in a while and then all of a sudden they will score 10 points in 40 seconds if the other team falls asleep.  Nederland is going to have to limit those runs. I am looking forward to a good game tonight, and though I think HJ will win, I do remember when Nederland came over to our court and killed us 2 years ago.  Ya'll had a small guard that hit like 50 points, mostly from the three point line.  Your guys took advantage of the 3 starters who had played JV the previous year.  That was sad, but it was fun watching those three mature throughout the year. [/quote] I think this team this year handles the press better most of the groups in the past. HJ may get a turnover here and there in fast break of a turnover, but I cant imagine Nederland letting HJ score 10 in a row without some kind of score. Cunningham and K-Smith are 2 of the top players in the area and can score the basketball. Im not sure how the big guys for HJ are going to do against Kelvin down low either. And just imagine if Forney was healthy and ready to go. Nederland would pound it in the paint all night. As you can tell, I think Nederland is going to win tonight, but it will be a good one because HJ comes to play every night. [/quote]  While you are imagining, I would like to imagine things for HJ if their two missing starters were also playing [/quote] Well then I guess we both are just imagining things..

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="917277" timestamp="1290532466"] [quote author=Wildcatter link=topic=76408.msg917113#msg917113 date=1290491356] The press vs the 3.  If HJ presses well then even if they beat press it is just a 2. Those guys will pass a layup to get the 3 ball going.  Should be a great game, anxious to see how the fresh does in his second game.  Good luck to both teams. [/quote]If you look at it that way, then you've never seen an HJ press.  They will get a steal here or there once in a while and then all of a sudden they will score 10 points in 40 seconds if the other team falls asleep.  Nederland is going to have to limit those runs. I am looking forward to a good game tonight, and though I think HJ will win, I do remember when Nederland came over to our court and killed us 2 years ago.  Ya'll had a small guard that hit like 50 points, mostly from the three point line.  Your guys took advantage of the 3 starters who had played JV the previous year.  That was sad, but it was fun watching those three mature throughout the year. [/quote] I think this team this year handles the press better most of the groups in the past. HJ may get a turnover here and there in fast break of a turnover, but I cant imagine Nederland letting HJ score 10 in a row without some kind of score. Cunningham and K-Smith are 2 of the top players in the area and can score the basketball. Im not sure how the big guys for HJ are going to do against Kelvin down low either. And just imagine if Forney was healthy and ready to go. Nederland would pound it in the paint all night. As you can tell, I think Nederland is going to win tonight, but it will be a good one because HJ comes to play every night.

Is this game live video broadcast or just audio?

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="916786" timestamp="1290468110"] HJ by 16 [/quote] Really? That bad at home for Nederland?

Should be great game, but I think this is Nederland's year. Dogs will still be without Forney.

[quote name="bullets13" post="913071" timestamp="1290193355"] Florida, Villanova, Pitt, K-State [/quote] No Duke? See something you dont like?

Young Texas team. Thompson is a beast. Great early season win against a veteran Illinois squad, and I agree, Texas will be a lot better than people think.

[quote name="Scooter!" post="911924" timestamp="1290052565"] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=76220.msg911101#msg911101 date=1289963932] [quote author=Scooter! link=topic=76220.msg911094#msg911094 date=1289963610] when the FLA guards are on theyre deadly IMO Ohio St will suffer late in the yr. Sullinger is good but he cant carry the team [/quote] Really? Why not?  ??? [/quote]they dont have a dominant guard IMO.... KSU/Mich St will mop the floor with TOSU IMO in the elite 8 [/quote] KSU and Mich St. are great teams and will play themselves to a top seed, but i was watching the Ohio St. and Florida game, and I tell you something: Ohio St. is for real with that number 5 ranking. Sullinger can carry the load against any big man in the country, and Kiebler is one the best 3 point shooters out there. Tough team. But like I said before, Team to beat is DUKE. And of course, I always pull for Texas  ;D No matter how good or what sport

[quote name="Scooter!" post="911094" timestamp="1289963610"] when the FLA guards are on theyre deadly IMO Ohio St will suffer late in the yr. Sullinger is good but he cant carry the team [/quote] Really? Why not?  ???

Ned - 57 BH - 37 Final