[quote name="Bucof2010" post="489042" timestamp="1229573466"] [quote author=643 link=topic=46730.msg489001#msg489001 date=1229566733] The property we watch and try to manage went to permits last yr after a visit by the local TPW bio. The old owners are from Miss and are well versed in quality whitetail management, saw the problem the 2 yrs prior and asked us to set up a meeting with the Bio., after a ride around the property he saw our problem, in a month or so we got the permits so as to be able to watch and select the 'rite' does to take off the range. We see lots of Does with no fawns and this is due to not enough bucks to go around which I guess is typical for E Texas. The problem we have now is the new owners Bro and son are self proclaimed deer hunters that WILL shoot at and sometimes hit 1 1/2y/o forked horn buck OVER the other 15 or so Does in the food plot>>>what gets me is they will ask "why can't we see any big bucks". A week or so back I sat in a stand to take a Doe or 2, I saw 3, 1 1/2y/o bucks: 1 spike, 4pt, 5pt, and a 2 1/2 y/o 8 pt, I made the mistake of telling the owners bro of the young bucks I had seen and how in a cpl of yrs they would be some respectable bucks considering 2 of the deer were forked horned @ 1 1/2 y/o. His 18y/o son now sits in this stand when he hunts to try and take ANY of the 4 bucks and hoping the 8 would show. When he's not hunting I will sit in it and if any of them come out I WILL shoot between their legs and hopefully educate the deer as I've tried to educate the hunters BUT they already know it all. I can't wait on the horn restrictions!!!!! [/quote] Beautiful post [/quote] :-\