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It was a great game no matter whose side you were on.  I did appreciate the horn lady myself.  She was way more constrained with it only using it at appropriate times.  Not once did she use the horn during a time out with teachers (coaches) communicating with students (players).  In fact, she limited her use to players coming on the field, scoring plays and a few really key great plays for Cleveland.  Just the fact that she set it up on the Cleveland side facing the Cleveland stands instead of aiming it at the opponents showed a change of heart from the get go. One man doesnt make a team but the Trojans losing their starting nose guard to a season ending practice injury definatly hurt.  Pitting him against a 350 lb lineman just for drills was a tactical error.  Every injury he sustained (both ankles, wrist and broken collar bone) was in practice.  He had a habit of shaking loose fumbles and snagging down open field runners headed for the goal line during the game.  The Trojans really pulled it together and closed the gap his injury left.  Hats off to the team.  I thought the officials did a good job last nite and both teams showed the heart that got them where they are.  some indian fans should learn from the real indians, the native americans.  If you insult and demean your opponent, what have you done when you defeat them?  Always admire your opponents strength so that in victory, you have accomplished something.  Just a thought to grow on. Stephen

I am not positive but fairly sure that the class of 2010 seniors beat Cleveland when they were all in 8th grade and again as JV. It would be interesting to find out for sure No one ever minded the horn for TD's and great Plays.  there may be two there Friday nite Stephen

now it is my turn to laugh.  I am comfortable with my lifestyle.  My wife and I are raising three boys.  The oldest, at 165 lbs was starting varsity nose guard and brought home a state powerlifting medal last year.  In fact, it was in Cleveland that he was awarded the Gold in region six.  Smoked all the competition.  None of my sons ever remember not being in church come Sunday morning.   Like I said, those who have no facts to stand on resort to personal attack. When you resort to personal attack, you may as well proclaim loud and clear that you are thru making a difference in a conversation. Stephen

Good morning durka durka, or should we just call you jihady since you like to make fun of folks name?  Do you even know what 'durka durka' means?  Are you a terrorist?  I wasnt just a male cheerleader son, I was the first male cheerleader in cleveland.  You might want to do a little research before you discount me as 'stevie'.  It is typical of someone with no grounds to argue from or facts to back them up to start making personal attacks in a forum like this.  typical I say. Panther, read the posts.  No one has a problem with the horn for touchdowns or even great plays.  No one has a problem with losing a game.  We all have a problem with obnoxious a holes.  When their hand gets on the handle of an illegally loud horn, it can be a problem.  Stephen

Me shut up? Not likely. Maybe you didnt read but Cleveland is my team. Rah Rah rhee, kick em in the knee, rah rah rass, kick em in the other knee. I dont know the women you know named Stephen but I hope they are better looking than me. Once again, opinion. I know I asked nicely for something more. I know I stated plainly, no one has a problem with the horn for touchdowns or even great plays. We are all for team spirit. I know I am. The year I was a cheerleader, we went to state playoffs. My only interest was to correct the errors that were being stated from a condition of ignorance on the subject. Now we all know a little more about the issue than we did. If you find something other than opinon to add, let us know. Stephen

Win or loss is not the issue with me. School bias does not enter either. All I know is there is error being spouted as truth and I just naturally tend to zero in on that. The law does not exclude extra curicular school activites. Nor does the UIL rule book super cede state law. Marching band is all of those but protected as well under this state law. Is class room defined by walls? Not at all. Classroom is defined by students being taught by the teacher or even discussion among the students moderated by a teacher in a learning environment. Challenge me on that if you wish but bring something besides opinion to the table. Bring some code or statute defining classroom as 4 walls or somehting seperating extra curicular as not being "other school activities". According to the Columbia encyclopedia, over 85 decibles causes physical harm to the ears . . . . . . let me post: Subjected to 45 decibels of noise, the average person cannot sleep. At 120 decibels the ear registers pain, but hearing damage begins at a much lower level, about 85 decibels. The duration of the exposure is also important. There is evidence that among young Americans hearing sensitivity is decreasing year by year because of exposure to noise, including excessively amplified music. Apart from hearing loss, such noise can cause lack of sleep, irritability, heartburn, indigestion, ulcers, high blood pressure, and possibly heart disease. One burst of noise, as from a passing truck, is known to alter endocrine, neurological, and cardiovascular functions in many individuals; prolonged or frequent exposure to such noise tends to make the physiological disturbances chronic. In addition, noise-induced stress creates severe tension in daily living and contributes to mental illness. this is reported from part of an EPA study on noise pollution; So you see, when someone says the horn is driving them crazy, its true. There are laws on the books. Federal noise pollution laws. Care to have a decible test of the ole horn? This could morph into a child abuse case. Class room; –noun 1. a room, as in a school or college, in which classes are held. 2. any place where one learns or gains experience: The sea is the sailor's classroom. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Origin: 1865–70, Americanism; class + room Stephen

My son is in athletics. The coach is listed as his teacher. The locker room is listed as his classroom. He is graded for his participation. The game is to the athletics class as the lab is to the biology class. The law plainly states "class or OTHER SCHOOL ACTIVITIES" Your contention that the students need to know all they need by game time falls flat as an argument. Education continues. Unique situations arise in the game and are often the first encounter by these students and the impetus for calling the time out. The coach has often encountered them before and is trying to use the time out as a teaching moment. When the horned one disrupts this, according to the law, it is a violation. You may not like that but it is quite evident as a fact. Let me reitterate that no one objects to the horn for touchdowns. It is the incessant use as a distraction to prevent communication between the teacher and his students and the qback and the team that is unsportsmanlike and apparently illegal. Stephen

No one has a problem with the horn for touchdowns. When the coach calls a time out and the horn lady lays on the horn while the coach (teacher) is trying to discuss and teach his students (players), that is just being obnoxious. When the horned one lays on the horn when the opponent's quarterback comes up to the line to call his signals, that is just plain unsportmanlike. Just like the call against Cleveland for for unsportsmanlike conduct for the Cleveland defender hitting the qback from behind AFTER he was out of bounds. Before you mouth off about sore loser, Cleveland is my alma mater and I was a varsity cheerleader at cleveland. I just call it like I see it. As for the aspect of the school board member silencing the horn, maybe he was trying to protect the abilty of the teacher and student to communicate. Education Code Sec. 37.124. DISRUPTION OF CLASSES. (a) A person commits an offense if the person, on school property or on public property within 500 feet of school property, alone or in concert with others, intentionally disrupts the conduct of classes or other school activities. ( An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor. © In this section: (1) "Disrupting the conduct of classes or other school activities" includes: (A) emitting noise of an intensity that prevents or hinders classroom instruction; the horn lady may need an attorney Stephen