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4A DCTF Rankings & Coaches Poll
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[quote name="liltex" post="1232947" timestamp="1340754172"] BF I noticed you listed 3 def starters-2 off.starters out of 6 total reported.Secondary (2)WR (1)OL (1)MLB (1)=tuff hill to climb.After the shock & awe of 2 undefeated reg.season and alot of rusty stomps there's alot of teams itching for payback on the Cubs 8) ;D [/quote] Most of our district is rebuilding/reloading. So they might be out for us, but we'll be ready. I got that extra ticket again if u wanna come to a game again? -
[quote name="texasaggie" post="1232989" timestamp="1340775835"] Here's an interesting tidbit on the Magnolia QB. He was a backup B-Team running back in Montgomery, but then had to move to Magnolia and ended up the starting Varsity QB. Kinda shows the difference in talent levels. Magnolia really died in football when West was opened. [/quote] I agree....
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[quote name="bronco pride" post="1232456" timestamp="1340459353"] For sure brenham. Every year they have all the d1 talent. They have won 1 whole playoff game the last 2 years and are once again mentioned as a team to beat in region 3. [/quote] Don't forget it either.... ;D Obviously the pollsters know that we don't rebuild, we just reload with more D1 talent. We've also only lost 2 games in the past 2 years. (the ones you were just talking about) Don't forget, we played in the championship more recently than Dayton.... I still think we're a year or 2 away from being a title contender. Who knows, could be this year, but I need to see the team first.
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4A DCTF Rankings & Coaches Poll
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[quote name="Smoking Baby" post="1232906" timestamp="1340742512"] Oh man, there must be another Brnham team out there. Those kids all graduated and what's left are midgets. ;D [/quote] Not all of them... ;) CB Darrion Johnson- Junior (prolly havn't heard of him, cuz he was a soph last year, but still led the team in int's) Offers: Oklahoma Looks: LSU, Texas & Texas A&M CB/S/WR Justin Davis- Senior Offers: Arizona State Looks: New Mexico State, Texas Tech & Utah WR/S Kwadareus Chapel- Senior Offers: None yet Looks: Should be getting some soon OL Austin Schlottmann- Junior (another young) Offers: None yet Looks: Should be some soon MLB Jacob Sparks- Senior Offers: None yet Looks: Should be some soon -
My prediction for Brenham after looking their schedule this year..... (Games in order by what I believe the level of difficulty is.) If anybody has an open week and is intersted in coming to a Brenham game, we have 6 home games, and I have an extra season ticket at about the 43 yard line. So PM me if you're interested... Oct. 12 @ Montgomery- This match up will be the Cubs toughest game of the year. While Montgomery has never beaten Brenham, they have pushed us to our limits in past couple years. Bolfing has really turned this program around. This game will feature 18-4A's offensive and defensive preseason MVP's. What makes it even better, is they will likely be doing battle all game, considering the offensive guy is a senior WR for Montgomery, and the defensive guy is junior CB from Brenham. Should be a very interesting match up. Montgomery has 2 advantages... A. It's a home game and it will be packed. (It has been the last couple of years anyways) B. The Bears have an extremely difficult pre-district schedule (#5 Dawson & #10 Angleton), while Brenham's pre-district shedule is relativly easy. Brenham's advantages are... A. They havn't lost a regular season game 2 years. Which gives them a 20 game winning streak) B. Brenham has never lost to Montgomery. Will Brenham continue it's dominance over it's district, or is this the year the Bears finally take Cubs down? Usually a pretty balanced offense. Brenham 20 Montgomery 13 Sept. 14 Magnolia West- They have gotten better and better every year, including playoff aperances in the last 2 years. They lost a lot, so I'm intersted in seeing how the Mustangs look, now that they are having to rebuild. My guess is they will be ok, since a lot of the district is also rebuilding. Even though they have been hot the last 2 years, they have had their problems against Brenham. Their history against the Cubs since they were established. 2011 47-13 Cubs, 2010 55-0 Cubs, 2009 28-7 Cubs & 2008 30-0 Cubs. Usually a pretty balaned offense. Brenham 31 Magnolia West 14 Nov. 2 Huntsville- Like Brenham, the Hornets last a lot since last year. The Cubs destroyed Huntsville last year, 65-16. With that being said, the Hornets should have extra incentive this time around. This game will be just as important to Brenham. Now that Huntsville is back in our district, the stakes have been raised. The Hornets are usually about 70% run & 30% pass. Brenham 37 Huntsville 7 Oct. 5 Willis- Willis lost a lot, but they will still be a playoff contender. IMO, Magnolia West, Huntsville & Willis will be battling it out for the 3rd & 4th playoff spots. Willis usually uses an air-raid attack, but they will be up against a top notch secondary. The Wildkats defense is usually where they struggle. Brenham 35 Willis 14 Sept. 21 @ Waller- The rivalry game known as, "The Battle Of The Brazos". In fact, Waller was the last team to hand the Cubs a regular season loss, back in 2009. These games are usually very chippy and intense. You can tell the 2 teams respect, but don't really like each other. Throw the records & rankings out the window in this series. Waller liked to run the ball, but last year it was pretty baleced. (Could be because there best player was a WR) Brenham 28 Waller 10 Aug. 31 Foster- I don't know much about the Falcons, but I don't see them beating us. The green machine defense is just too athletic. They are too fast, swarm to the ball. At least they have been in the past, & I think this year will be more of the same. Not sure what the Falcon's offensive tendencies are. Brenham 27 Foster 10 Oct. 19 Bryan Rudder (Homecoming)- Like Soulja says If you are chosen to be somebody's homecoming game, it's disrespectful! Lol. Teams seem to be a little more focused and play a little harder at homecoming. Nobody wants to lose and let the town down. According to DCTF, the best HB in 18-4A is a Rudder Ranger. Not sure he's seen a defense like Brenham's though. I'm assuming they will be a running team, since their best player is the HB. Brenham 42 Rudder 14 Oct. 26 @ Magnolia- The Bulldogs have been down the past couple years, so I'm not expecting too much from them. Their QB is a junior, but has been starting for a while now. Magnolia runs the ball quite a bit, and with Brown, Cole & Jeter-Gilmon gone, I'm sure we will be blitzing are DB's more than usual. Makes sense cuz our secondary will be our strength. Brenham 34 Magnolia 14 Nov. 9 @ Caney Creek- It's 18-4A's favorite, against 18-4A's projected last place team. On top of that Caney Creek's best player (HB) has transferred to Brenham. That should motivate the Panther, but I doubt it will be enough. The Cubs should take this one rather easily. Usually a running team. Brenham 38 Caney Creek 7 Sept. 7 Katy John Paul XXlll- Not looking forward to this game too much. The game only got scheduled due to Bay City backing out of our originally scheduled game. If you want to see the starters play, get there early, cuz I think the back ups will be in by half time. This game won't be pretty.... Not sure what they will bring, but I don't think it will matter too much. Brenham 49 John Paul XXlll 0 At the end of the regular season, I think we will be 10-0 and extend our win streak to 30. If we do lose, I'm gonna say it will be to Montgomery. If we get by the Bears in mid-season, I think we're in the clear. Then if we can fix these early playoff exits, we'll be in business.....
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Whos is the best in the new 19-4A
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[quote name="SCDAWGS" post="1232791" timestamp="1340667432"] [quote author=BrenhamFan link=topic=95315.msg1232775#msg1232775 date=1340658690] [quote author=bronco pride link=topic=95315.msg1232771#msg1232771 date=1340656731] So would you rather have a good regular season like brenham or sneek in like ozen and have more playoff games. Dayton doesnt base their success on regular season wins. Now playoff wins is another story. While brenham has more regular season wins than dayton the last 10 years dayton has more playoff wins the last 10 years. Since neither dayton or brenham have a title I will take the playoffs. [/quote] We're ready to win state. 1st round or 5th round, it's still not a title. [/quote] In other words if your not first your last. Doesn't matter if you lost in the first round or the last round. You're still out. [/quote] Exactly... We went undefeated in 42' but couldn't win a state title, cuz our classification didn't have a title game. Just getting there isn't enough any more. We're in it, to win it! -
Whos is the best in the new 19-4A
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[quote name="bronco pride" post="1232771" timestamp="1340656731"] So would you rather have a good regular season like brenham or sneek in like ozen and have more playoff games. Dayton doesnt base their success on regular season wins. Now playoff wins is another story. While brenham has more regular season wins than dayton the last 10 years dayton has more playoff wins the last 10 years. Since neither dayton or brenham have a title I will take the playoffs. [/quote] We're ready to win state. 1st round or 5th round, it's still not a title. -
4A DCTF Rankings & Coaches Poll
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[quote name="bronco pride" post="1232772" timestamp="1340657242"] How come brenham has all that d1 talent and no titles. Brenham must get outcoached alot. [/quote] Not sure, but I know we have the same amount of titles Dayton does. We're not out coached too often. West is usually on top of his game. After all, he learned from the best, in legendary coach Gordon Wood. -
4A DCTF Rankings & Coaches Poll
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[quote name="bronco pride" post="1232769" timestamp="1340656047"] All I know is since 03 dayton has won more playoff games than brenham. Yet every year brenham is always looked at as the team to beat. Im not saying brenham doesnt have a good program im just saying it is way overrated. [/quote] I'm waiting for us to finally get a state title, just like I'm sure you are for your Broncos. You don't get awards for most playoff wins since 03'. It's about winning state, which both teams lack that trophy. A big reason why we get so much hype is cuz of the D1 talent we produce. That's one major thing the media looks for. -
Whos is the best in the new 19-4A
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[quote name="JohnSmith" post="1232740" timestamp="1340647393"] [quote author=BrenhamFan link=topic=95315.msg1232712#msg1232712 date=1340633122] [quote author=BHFAN link=topic=95315.msg1232704#msg1232704 date=1340631539] [quote author=bronco pride link=topic=95315.msg1232697#msg1232697 date=1340628190] [quote author=BHFAN link=topic=95315.msg1232695#msg1232695 date=1340627554] [quote author=BellBiz30 link=topic=95315.msg1232244#msg1232244 date=1340385481] [quote author=octfeb link=topic=95315.msg1232235#msg1232235 date=1340382798] We are 69 days away from the start of the 2012 Texas HS Football Season and it is Stupid Guy Thing Day! Hey Look BHFAN.. they named a day after you ;D [/quote]I think he is already partying , especially since DCTF put them 3rd in district! ;D [/quote] How did that DCTF #1 in district rating do for ya last year 8) [/quote]great we made it to the third round. One thing I think your forgetting is dayton played last year without the best running back in our district. So dc pick might have been a little different had than known jakari was not going to play. [/quote] Doubtful, I think DC will pick Dayton #1 every year regaurdless of what information is out there just because of history. I don't think there is a clear favorite to win district this year and believe that Dayton, BH , Crosby or Summer Creek can take the district. Dayton looks to return the most players from last years team, but no big names that I see (Beside the kicker), but another year under thier belt will make them better. Don't know about Summer Creek, but i'm sure they are going to be pretty good. Crosby is the one I'll be keeping my eye on with a new coach and them dang TWINS!!! ;) BH will still be good on Offense, but they are going to need kids to step up to fill all of those Defensive holes. It's going to be a fun year, This is the most competitive this district has ever been and if you don't come to play then there are the [b]King Wood Park[/b], Humble and CEK that might just steel one from ya. [/quote] I'll vouch for that! :-\ [/quote]I think you can vouch for Ozen also. ;D [/quote] Our only 2 loses in the last 2 years. Didn't your team lose double that in just last year alone? I'm sure you can vouch for us though! -
4A DCTF Rankings & Coaches Poll
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[quote name="Lions#80" post="1232758" timestamp="1340654275"] [quote author=KellyGreen22 link=topic=100695.msg1232743#msg1232743 date=1340648054] Brenham had 4 total returning lettermen in 2008 and lost in the 4th round of the playoffs. They have had complete domination over their district for the last 10 years, you have to be a fool to think they won't be good. They have the most D1 player at the University of Texas than any other 4A school. And have 5 D1 athletes on the team this year in Justin Davis, Kwadarius Chapel, Jacob Sparks, Austin Schlottman, ands Darrion Johnson. They will make it to the third round, I promise. [/quote]3rd round, now who's talking like a fool. You been standing at the wrong end of the Bull to long. At least Brenhamfan will grab the bull by the horn and knows when to let go. [/quote] I'll give my opinion on how far we go, after I see my team play. -
4A DCTF Rankings & Coaches Poll
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[quote name="JohnSmith" post="1232747" timestamp="1340649172"] [quote author=KellyGreen22 link=topic=100695.msg1232743#msg1232743 date=1340648054] Brenham had 4 total returning lettermen in 2008 and lost in the 4th round of the playoffs. They have had complete domination over their district for the last 10 years, you have to be a fool to think they won't be good. They have the most D1 player at the University of Texas than any other 4A school. And have 5 D1 athletes on the team this year in Justin Davis, Kwadarius Chapel, Jacob Sparks, Austin Schlottman, ands Darrion Johnson. They will make it to the third round, I promise. [/quote]You say they have 5 D1 players and only make to 3rd round now that would be a shame. ??? Guess ya'll will have to pray that Kingwood Park or Ozen don't make to the playoffs this year. That should give you an easier time. ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Ask Kingwood Park how last year's meeting was? Brenham 35 KIngwood Park 3 Brenham is slightly overrated this year, but as far as "can't win a playoff game", we did beat your Broncos the last time we played, or did you forget that? (which was in the playoffs) Our last state title game was also more recent than Dayton's. We will be back on top soon! -
4A DCTF Rankings & Coaches Poll
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[quote name="Lions#80" post="1232709" timestamp="1340632333"] [quote author=BrenhamFan link=topic=100695.msg1232619#msg1232619 date=1340570617] [quote author=bronco pride link=topic=100695.msg1232609#msg1232609 date=1340565015] Brenham #6 on coaches poll is that a missprint. [/quote] I personally think it's too high, but I'm not a coach, so didn't put them there. IMO, we belong at #14 or #15 on the DCTF rankings, and unranked on the coaches poll. [/quote]Come on BrenhamFan, even though I predicted OZEN would beat you last season, I always respected your knowledge of the game. (#14 or #15) They shouldn't be ranked in anyone's poll. You know you all lost too much. [/quote] A 20 game regular season winning streak. That has to count for something.... We also return 2 D1 players, maybe more. (DB/WR Justin Davis, who has an offer from Arizona State, with a few others looking at him, & Darrion Johnson who is the #3 recruit in the state for class of 2014) We'll be just fine. Not top 10 material, cuz we lost so much, but I believe we are definatly in the top 20. (close to 15 or so) -
Whos is the best in the new 19-4A
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[quote name="BHFAN" post="1232704" timestamp="1340631539"] [quote author=bronco pride link=topic=95315.msg1232697#msg1232697 date=1340628190] [quote author=BHFAN link=topic=95315.msg1232695#msg1232695 date=1340627554] [quote author=BellBiz30 link=topic=95315.msg1232244#msg1232244 date=1340385481] [quote author=octfeb link=topic=95315.msg1232235#msg1232235 date=1340382798] We are 69 days away from the start of the 2012 Texas HS Football Season and it is Stupid Guy Thing Day! Hey Look BHFAN.. they named a day after you ;D [/quote]I think he is already partying , especially since DCTF put them 3rd in district! ;D [/quote] How did that DCTF #1 in district rating do for ya last year 8) [/quote]great we made it to the third round. One thing I think your forgetting is dayton played last year without the best running back in our district. So dc pick might have been a little different had than known jakari was not going to play. [/quote] Doubtful, I think DC will pick Dayton #1 every year regaurdless of what information is out there just because of history. I don't think there is a clear favorite to win district this year and believe that Dayton, BH , Crosby or Summer Creek can take the district. Dayton looks to return the most players from last years team, but no big names that I see (Beside the kicker), but another year under thier belt will make them better. Don't know about Summer Creek, but i'm sure they are going to be pretty good. Crosby is the one I'll be keeping my eye on with a new coach and them dang TWINS!!! ;) BH will still be good on Offense, but they are going to need kids to step up to fill all of those Defensive holes. It's going to be a fun year, This is the most competitive this district has ever been and if you don't come to play then there are the [b]King Wood Park[/b], Humble and CEK that might just steel one from ya. [/quote] I'll vouch for that! :-\ -
5A DCTF Rankings & Coaches Poll
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[quote name="texasaggie" post="1232654" timestamp="1340585646"] Lake Travis will probably win state. [/quote] I agree.... -
4A DCTF Rankings & Coaches Poll
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[quote name="texasaggie" post="1232601" timestamp="1340561201"] An extremely young, inexperienced Montgomery team opens its season against the #10 and #5 teams in the state back-to-back..... yay..... :-[ [/quote] A schedule like that will get you ready district though. -
4A DCTF Rankings & Coaches Poll
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[quote name="bronco pride" post="1232609" timestamp="1340565015"] Brenham #6 on coaches poll is that a missprint. [/quote] I personally think it's too high, but I'm not a coach, so didn't put them there. IMO, we belong at #14 or #15 on the DCTF rankings, and unranked on the coaches poll. -
Mathews is 4A Coach of the Year by Dave Campbell
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[b]DCTF Top 25[/b] Returning Starters 1. Denton Guyer 7/4 2. Cedar Parker 7/3 3. Tyler John Tyler 9/7 4. Highland Park 3/5 5. [b]Pearland Dawson[/b] 8/3 6. Leander 5/9 7. WF Rider 8/5 8. Aledo 2/6 9. CC Calallen 6/6 10. [b]Angleton[/b] 5/6 11. Kerrville Tivy 5/4 12. [b]Brenham[/b] 3/3 13. [b]Rosenberg Terry[/b] 4/5 14. Corsicana 4/3 15. Dallas Kimball 8/6 16. Prosper 7/5 17. [b]Nederland[/b] 9/7 18. [b]Dayton[/b] 6/8 19. Waco 6/5 20. [b]Summer Creek[/b] 4/6 21. Amarillo 7/5 22. Wolforth Frenship 6/6 23. Austin LBJ 6/5 24. Waxahachie 6/5 25. FW Southwest 10/7 [b]Coaches Poll[/b] 1. Aledo 2. Denton Guyer 3. Tyler John Tyler 4. Cedar Park 5. Highland Park 6. [b]Brenham[/b] 7. [b]Pearland Dawson[/b] 8. Corsicana 9. Leander 10. WF Rider
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[b]DCTF Top 25[/b] Returning Starters 1. Dallas Skyline 6/6 2. Lake Travis 6/4 3. Southlake Carroll 4/2 4. [b]Katy[/b] 4/4 5. Euless Trinity 3/3 6. Allen 2/3 7. Cibolo Steele 4/4 8. Desoto 8/2 9. Longview 2/8 10. Arlington Martin 5/7 11. [b]Manvel[/b] 4/5 12. [b]The Woodlands[/b] 5/6 13. Hewitt Midway 5/3 14. Abilene 5/9 15. [b]Pearland[/b] 7/5 16. [b]Spring Dekaney[/b] 4/4 17. SA Madison 4/3 18. Cedar Hill 9/4 19. Converse Judson 6/5 20. Mansfield 6/6 21. [b]GP North Shore[/b] 6/3 22. SA Reagan 4/2 23. [b]Lufkin[/b] 5/5 24. Denton Ryan 5/2 25. Austin Westlake 6/6 [b]Coaches Poll[/b] 1. Southlake Carroll 2. [b]Katy[/b] 3. Eulless Trinity 4. Allen 5. Lake Travis 6. DeSoto 7. Dallas Skyline 8. Cibolo Steele 9. Hewitt Midway 10. [b]Manvel[/b]
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DCTF Under the lights 4A rankings
BrenhamFan replied to ATWILDCAT's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
[quote name="Daytonfan" post="1231690" timestamp="1340202939"] [quote author=purplepassion link=topic=100561.msg1231685#msg1231685 date=1340202373] [quote author=BrenhamFan link=topic=100561.msg1231525#msg1231525 date=1340142099] [quote author=purplepassion link=topic=100561.msg1231387#msg1231387 date=1340114969] PNG should be ranked #5 in between Highland Park & Pearland Dawson . At the very least we should be ranked #8 We would so smoke Brenham [/quote] Just like y'all have every other time right? If I remember correctly, we're 2-0 against y'all all time. Now yalls neighbors from Nederland have handled us pretty easily. (We're 0-3 against them) Dont forget who eliminated your best team yall have had in a long time. (09' when y'all were #5 in the state and 11-0) Why do you think you deserve a #5 ranking? Y'all lost a lot since last year. So did we, that's why I understand why we arnt ranked. Think about it.... You're saying only 4 teams are better than a rebuilding PNG team. (new QB, new HB & no Nelson at WR) [/quote] I think that #5 is a fair ranking for us . This team is a really talented & if you count the Memorial transfers ................ Watch out TX ! [/quote] let's be real now! #5 really? Nobody in their right mind believes that. [/quote] That's what i'm saying. Not trying to hate on the Indians, but you guys arnt even the best team in yalls district, much less worthy of a #5 ranking. 17-4A is weak huh? We have been more successful than 20-4A in the last 4 or 5 years. As for Memorial transfers, that doesn't scare anybody. It just tells us where they're from. -
DCTF Under the lights 4A rankings
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[quote name="dustoff03" post="1231625" timestamp="1340158569"] [quote author=BrenhamFan link=topic=100561.msg1231609#msg1231609 date=1340156096] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100561.msg1231603#msg1231603 date=1340154014] [quote author=BrenhamFan link=topic=100561.msg1231600#msg1231600 date=1340153579] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100561.msg1231594#msg1231594 date=1340153084] Yeah. You PNG fans have a lotta room to talk. And brenham you ain't got much room to talk either. The way you was talking the last time i saw you Vidor shouldn't have even showed up for that game and look what happened. [/quote] One average season and Vidor's all of a sudden world beaters? [/quote] Please point out where a vidor fan said we were world beaters. Please. I'm begging you to bring up that thread or post. [/quote] I would think so, the way some Pirate fans talk. [/quote] everyone talks when their team has a successful season and want to carry it into the next season and the next and the next. we 're not gonna come on here and say last season was great bu were gonna suck this year. average season you say, for us it was a remarkable season.we were never supposed to make the playoffs let alone go to the third round. i'd say considering brenhams history, their season was average. [/quote] I agree. Actually, I consider it slightly below average. If we're not atleast in the 3rd or 4th round, it's below average. -
DCTF Under the lights 4A rankings
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[quote name="mytwocents" post="1231603" timestamp="1340154014"] [quote author=BrenhamFan link=topic=100561.msg1231600#msg1231600 date=1340153579] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100561.msg1231594#msg1231594 date=1340153084] Yeah. You PNG fans have a lotta room to talk. And brenham you ain't got much room to talk either. The way you was talking the last time i saw you Vidor shouldn't have even showed up for that game and look what happened. [/quote] One average season and Vidor's all of a sudden world beaters? [/quote] Please point out where a vidor fan said we were world beaters. Please. I'm begging you to bring up that thread or post. [/quote] I would think so, the way some Pirate fans talk. -
DCTF Under the lights 4A rankings
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[quote name="mytwocents" post="1231594" timestamp="1340153084"] Yeah. You PNG fans have a lotta room to talk. And brenham you ain't got much room to talk either. The way you was talking the last time i saw you Vidor shouldn't have even showed up for that game and look what happened. [/quote] One average season and Vidor's all of a sudden world beaters?