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39-38 HJ.  I think HJ has hit there last 6 free throws. Gaines has 4 fouls.

[quote name="tjcfan08" post="1169146" timestamp="1328063875"] OF 44-36...1:25 left!!!!! [/quote]It looks like we now have a 3rd place competition going on!!!!

[quote name="STiger85" post="1169147" timestamp="1328063894"] That gym looks so small and cramped. I'll just set back in my recliner and watch the game. [/quote]It looks like you and about 380 other people! Incredible!

What's the foul situation?  I know Harmon has 3 for HJ.  I think Persohn, Prudhomme, and Boscha have 2 apiece.  How about Silsbee?

2 of 9!

HJ at the line.  Missing again on the "And 1"

23 - 20 Silsbee.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1169082" timestamp="1328062594"] [table][tr][td][color=black]End 1st[/td][/tr] [tr][td][color=maroon]Silsbee[/td][td]  [/td][td][color=maroon]14[/td][/tr] [tr][td][color=navy]Hardin-Jefferson[/td][td]  [/td][td][color=navy]13[/td][/tr] [/table] [/quote]Nice color commentary there, WOSgrad! I think there were 7 points scored in the last 15 seconds.

6 - 4 Silsbee midway through 1st

[quote name="Water Boy 21" post="1169023" timestamp="1328060797"] Silsbee has two full gyms and there main gym is much bigger than HJ's and im not trying to down anyone im just saying that you would think they would have a much bigger gym with them being only a basketball school, just look at the other big basketball schools and there gym's, Evadale, Kntz, EC, Silsbee, and thats just some of them [/quote]Maybe the bond money went to education first..... I'm just saying.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1168989" timestamp="1328059741"] Although those at H-J who are a little offended at waterboys' comments should remember how they feel when they attempt to take another gym to task. [/quote]The way I heard it mentioned, the coaches felt that having two gyms for full practices was more important.  Also, they insisted that the school use the available money from the bond issue, and then let the athletics have what was left over.

When is the broadcast starting?

One word: [size=36pt][b][i]Gooooooooooooo Hawks!!!!!![/i][/b][/size] OK, maybe that was two...... but you get the point.

Yeah, but don't you guys see what you are doing?  You're listing English (who is great, BTW) and Sigler (another great one, no doubt) but what about the coaches 20 - 30 years ago that were their equals... but don't have titles.  Is anyone coming to their defense right now? The sad thing is, that, even though English and Sigler are fantastic coaches, 20 to 30 years from now, they will not be listed among the Boutte's, Sutherlands, and Cotton Robinson's unless they get a State Title or two.

C'mon, guys!  Can't we go back 100 years to when Buna made it a tradition to go and win the State Title?

[quote name="stevenash" post="1168140" timestamp="1327944504"] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=95117.msg1168138#msg1168138 date=1327944308] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95117.msg1168136#msg1168136 date=1327944217] If we magically transfer an assistant coach from a losing program in this area over to Yates and they win a title, will we be able to claim that he was a great coach or were there other factors that played a larger role in that title? [/quote]Instead of creating an imaginary scenario, let me ask you, how do the NFL coaching analysts rate Barry Switzer?  ;) [/quote] I will bet they dont rate him nearly as highly as the college coaching analysts do.  Same is true about Bud Wilkinson.  John Calipari and Rick Pitino (two excellent college coaches ) failed miserably in the NBA but I believe both will be remembered just as are Switzer and Wilkinson [/quote]So, to answer your question, the coach who goes to Yates will probably not get much credit, even though he would probably deserve more credit than he gets.  Winning a state championship takes a lot more than just putting the best talent on the floor.  There are still the intangibles and the luck factor that is needed....... although some teams may need a lot more luck than others.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1168136" timestamp="1327944217"] If we magically transfer an assistant coach from a losing program in this area over to Yates and they win a title, will we be able to claim that he was a great coach or were there other factors that played a larger role in that title? [/quote]Instead of creating an imaginary scenario, let me ask you, how do the NFL coaching analysts rate Barry Switzer?  ;)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1168131" timestamp="1327943994"] I guess we can just both have our opinions.  I will tell you , though, that even thow I remember only Eisenhower and Patton, I think there were quite a few other leaders that helped us win the war.[/quote]And you will certainly get no argument from me on that point.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1168119" timestamp="1327943273"] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=95117.msg1168097#msg1168097 date=1327940855] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95117.msg1168082#msg1168082 date=1327938509] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=95117.msg1168079#msg1168079 date=1327938013] I think you are wrong, Steve, in saying Lenny Wilkens could have done all that Phil Jackson did.  Phil was the right man at the right time in being able to handle so many egos long enough to keep successful programs together (Chicago and LA). I noticed on ESPN the other night, the all time number of games coached in the Super Bowl.  Don Shula had the most with 6, but at the number 9 and 10 spots were Marv Levy and Bud Grant.  Marv and Bud never won a super bowl out of 4 trips each.  I don't see anybody putting them at the same level as Don Shula, Chuck Knoll, Tom Landry, Bill Bellicek, etc. [/quote] Then you are telling me that "only Phil" can handle egos and Lenny can't?  You don't think it has anything at all to do with being at "the right place at the right time"?  Are you saying that Brian English and Todd Sutherland could not switch places and have about the same success?  If you or I become the head baseball coach at Bridge City, there is a very good chance the team will do well in the playoffs.  Will that reflect how good of a coach that either one of us is? [/quote]No, Steve, I did not say that ONLY Phil can handle egos.  I think that Phil handled egos better than the average coach, and nothing about Lenny Wilkens showed that he had that ability.  I'm not saying he didn't have it, but I'm just saying that I never saw it. Brian English is a fantastic coach, and those who know him TODAY will acknowledge that he is as good as anybody else around, probably even Todd Sutherland.  But 30+ years from now, when you and I aren't around to argue the ego-handling of Phil and Lenny, nobody will remember Brian English unless he has put some trophies in the case. [/quote] I must disagree.  I don't believe that you need to be remembered 30 years later in order to have been a good/great coach.  I remember Vince Lombardi but am willing to bet a dollar to a donut there were plenty of other good ones at the same time.  Nobody will have much recollection of Pat Foster but I happen to believe he was a very good coach and did as well as anybody could have done with his circumstances. [/quote]I don't disagree with you.  But the Pat Fosters of the world will fade away, while the coaches that have National Title Banners (or State Title Banners) are the ones who will be remembered. Take Vince Lombardi,  Who were the coaches of the Chiefs and the Raiders when Vince won his first two Super Bowls.  Where are their names in the annals of history? Don't forget, Steve,  Your initial premise reads, "[i]Good coaching- Is winning a state championship [u]a large determinant[/u]?[/i]"  ---- not, "[i]Good coaching - is winning a state championship [u]the only determining factor[/u][/i]".  I think state titles (and national titles for college) are a large determining factor for deciding who was a good coach.  Not the only factor, but certainly one of the factors. I don't know, maybe its just me.

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="1168103" timestamp="1327941771"] I wont have anything to do with the broadcast, AAW AND LAZEEK will be handling that, However I don't think BS will show up....Or say that he is there but really not be just like last game...There is a reason for his initials to be B.S. ;) [/quote]Should someone with the initials P.B.S. make any comments on someone with the inititals B.S. I mean, "P" could easily stand for "pure".  ;)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1168082" timestamp="1327938509"] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=95117.msg1168079#msg1168079 date=1327938013] I think you are wrong, Steve, in saying Lenny Wilkens could have done all that Phil Jackson did.  Phil was the right man at the right time in being able to handle so many egos long enough to keep successful programs together (Chicago and LA). I noticed on ESPN the other night, the all time number of games coached in the Super Bowl.  Don Shula had the most with 6, but at the number 9 and 10 spots were Marv Levy and Bud Grant.  Marv and Bud never won a super bowl out of 4 trips each.  I don't see anybody putting them at the same level as Don Shula, Chuck Knoll, Tom Landry, Bill Bellicek, etc. [/quote] Then you are telling me that "only Phil" can handle egos and Lenny can't?  You don't think it has anything at all to do with being at "the right place at the right time"?  Are you saying that Brian English and Todd Sutherland could not switch places and have about the same success?  If you or I become the head baseball coach at Bridge City, there is a very good chance the team will do well in the playoffs.  Will that reflect how good of a coach that either one of us is? [/quote]No, Steve, I did not say that ONLY Phil can handle egos.  I think that Phil handled egos better than the average coach, and nothing about Lenny Wilkens showed that he had that ability.  I'm not saying he didn't have it, but I'm just saying that I never saw it. Brian English is a fantastic coach, and those who know him TODAY will acknowledge that he is as good as anybody else around, probably even Todd Sutherland.  But 30+ years from now, when you and I aren't around to argue the ego-handling of Phil and Lenny, nobody will remember Brian English unless he has put some trophies in the case. 

I think you are wrong, Steve, in saying Lenny Wilkens could have done all that Phil Jackson did.  Phil was the right man at the right time in being able to handle so many egos long enough to keep successful programs together (Chicago and LA). I noticed on ESPN the other night, the all time number of games coached in the Super Bowl.  Don Shula had the most with 6, but at the number 9 and 10 spots were Marv Levy and Bud Grant.  Marv and Bud never won a super bowl out of 4 trips each.  I don't see anybody putting them at the same level as Don Shula, Chuck Knoll, Tom Landry, Bill Bellicek, etc.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1167895" timestamp="1327882706"] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=95013.msg1167890#msg1167890 date=1327881971] [quote author=no-look link=topic=95013.msg1167843#msg1167843 date=1327872451] We were down 66-0 once and the other team (Alto)faked a knee with six seconds left and throwed a long touchdown...and won 72-0 [/quote]HJ was killing Buna in football about 10 years ago.  The QB was told to take a knee and instead he tried to bootleg it in right before half.  He didn't play the rest of the game. [/quote] WIsh they had that issue today [/quote]Amen!

[quote name="monotone" post="1167826" timestamp="1327869972"] Why is broussard the only one who gets singled out. What about Riley and brown? The first one on Riley was as bad of not worse. [/quote]I think Broussard was singled out because the rest of the team laughed at him for being dunked on.  I wasn't there, but that's what I get from reading the thread.

[quote name="no-look" post="1167843" timestamp="1327872451"] We were down 66-0 once and the other team (Alto)faked a knee with six seconds left and throwed a long touchdown...and won 72-0 [/quote]HJ was killing Buna in football about 10 years ago.  The QB was told to take a knee and instead he tried to bootleg it in right before half.  He didn't play the rest of the game.