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[quote name="bullets13" post="950433" timestamp="1295377460"] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=78903.msg950423#msg950423 date=1295376193] Tigers by 56 [/quote] i was going to say 60.  Tigers 107, Horns 47 [/quote]Bullet, the question was, "what is going to be the FINAL score".  Not the Halftime score.  ;)

[quote name="east texas bb" post="949879" timestamp="1295302228"] Thats awesome.  Kountze has always been a power in basketball.  Not so much in football, but basketball for the past 20 years has been pretty solid.  There is alot of good basketball in that region of east texas with Kountze, Buna, Silsbee, HJ, EC, Woodville. Lot of good basketball goes on around there.  EC when I was growing up was in the region tournament 1 year when I was in school. 96-97 [/quote]Kountze not a powerhouse in football?!?!? Why, do I need to remind you that Kountze had a streak going on in football in the early 80's that was nationally recognized?!?!? 

[quote name="Lt. Dangle" post="950346" timestamp="1295368755"] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=78734.msg949337#msg949337 date=1295205973] The refs made bad calls on both sides. It was a fair game! Tigers won! [/quote] I agree, Santa. Everone sitting around us also agreed that they were not cheating for Silsbee... they were just bad....consistently bad....all night long. We were surprised that Gus was still conscious after the game from getting hammered in the lane. Silsbee's big man played the entire game without a single foul. WOW [/quote]I don't know how bad you would call them, because I've seen much worse, but no one could claim that they changed the outcome of the game. Regarding Gus, I was surprised he was standing after the game simply because he was so tired.

[quote name="no-look" post="950316" timestamp="1295364362"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=78734.msg950293#msg950293 date=1295362076] [quote author=chiller3 link=topic=78734.msg950231#msg950231 date=1295330214] H-J needs someone to step up and lead this team! The coaches are not gonna be able to do it. The reason they lost to Silsbee is because nobody stepped up to lead and drive the team to victory, if they can do that they will be set! Also Anderson needs to come back in full force! [/quote] ::) ::) ::) ::) Prudhomme had 22 and Persohn had a big 2nd half.  Easily the best half a HJ big man has had in years!!!!!  Anderson is having surgery on his ACL this week and his HS hoop career is over. As far as the coaches they are the best around.......you should know that!!!!! [/quote]I feel bad for the Anderson kid. Tough break. [/quote]That is awful!  I was hoping that somehow the kid could come back and play.  What is really upsetting is that he hurt his knee late in the 1st quarter of our last football game against WOS where we were down by some 28 points already.  50 yard run by the Mustangs and the next thing you know, Will comes up limping. I know its heartbreaking to me, but it must drive Coach Sutherland and David nuts to see such a huge loss.  I could imagine how tough it is on Will, too, because that kid was one of the lone bright spots on our football team.  He always left his heart out on the field.  And he was looking forward to a great year on the court.

Silsbee better not come out flat after that [b]huge upset[/b] over those HJ Hawks!!!!  :D

[quote name="ST4life" post="949696" timestamp="1295276628"] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=78734.msg949688#msg949688 date=1295275945] [quote author=ST4life link=topic=78734.msg949671#msg949671 date=1295271890] Let me settle this so we can move on to the next game Is HJ good this year? Answer = [b]Yes[/b] Did HJ hang with Silsbee @ the tiger den? Answer = [b]Yes[/b] Did HJ win against Silsbee? Answer = [b]No[/b] [/quote]You know, I think you're right, but I'd like to take it a little further. [size=10pt][b]Is Silsbee better than they have been in the last 5 years?  Answer = Yes[/b][/size] Is HJ as strong as they have been in the last 5 years? Answer = No, but the drop off is less than I anticipated. I wouldn't be surprised if Silsbee goes all the way this year.  And, if HJ doesn't, I wouldn't be disappointed if it is Silsbee. [/quote] Questionable [/quote]Yes, questionable, but I think that 2nd team that you guys bring in are going to surprise some teams.  I'd have those guys press the heck out of other teams.

[quote name="ST4life" post="949671" timestamp="1295271890"] Let me settle this so we can move on to the next game Is HJ good this year? Answer = [b]Yes[/b] Did HJ hang with Silsbee @ the tiger den? Answer = [b]Yes[/b] Did HJ win against Silsbee? Answer = [b]No[/b] [/quote]You know, I think you're right, but I'd like to take it a little further. Is Silsbee better than they have been in the last 5 years?   Answer = Yes Is HJ as strong as they have been in the last 5 years? Answer = No, but the drop off is less than I anticipated. I wouldn't be surprised if Silsbee goes all the way this year.  And, if HJ doesn't, I wouldn't be disappointed if it is Silsbee.

[quote name="dogs1218" post="949617" timestamp="1295239277"] Ok.. I'm going to try and make this very simple for you. Silsbee is better than HJ this year. Talent is better and you cant run from that truth. We can all spit out numbers of how bad a team is going to lose, but in the end, all that really natters is that the team you picked was right or wrong. I cant judge HJ from just one game, but I knew that team wasnt going to beat Silsbee, and will probably lose before they make it back to play Silsbee in playoffs. If you are judging your teams success of your record, then you sound like people from Vidor. Overall records can say whatever, but its the the true record of how you did versus QUALITY teams that lets you know just how good your team actually is. Now we can argue over this HJ thing all day, but that isnt going to change what the record says.. Silsbee got the "W"... & HJ got the "L".... How bout HJ focus up for their games next week, and lets move on  ;) [/quote]OK, I'm going to try and make this very simple for you. Everybody who watched that game Friday night came away realizing one (or two) things.  Silsbee might be better than HJ, but HJ has the ability to beat Silsbee this year.  OK, maybe a few die hard fans may think its impossible, but the important thing is, the HJ players know it.  They suspected it at first, but they probably had doubts.  Now there is no doubt.... they can beat Silsbee.  It may take one or two "if only's" for HJ to pull off the win, but you and I both know that "if only's" happen all the time!  

[quote name="bmrm" post="949628" timestamp="1295241007"] Since I was unable to attend the HJ/Silsbee shootout & not really having the time to follow the 18 pages of comments since I have to work in the morning, can anyone confirm that the Hawks actually had a double digit lead in the fourth quarter?  My source tends to strecth the truth a bit.  [/quote]No, the double digit lead was last held in the 3rd, although they had a double digit lead in the 1st and 2nd.  The 4th quarter opened with HJ up 46-40 and Silsbee went on an 11-0 run (give or take a couple) to take a lead that they wouldn't lose.  They outscored HJ 24-10. Sigh.........

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="949610" timestamp="1295238886"] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=78647.msg949607#msg949607 date=1295238209] Someone can call a game(s) anything that they wish. What makes me wonder about this Havoc business is this..... Beaumont has the Beaumont Bowl but it involves all three public high schools from Beaumont. Likewise, there are only two high schools in Mid-County and they have Mid-County Madness. How many public schools are in Hardin County and how do you single out two of them? Are the others just left on the side of the road? [/quote] Lumberton, Kountze, HJ and Silsbee in Hardin County..............Kountze and Lumberton have not beaten HJ or Silsbee in years, so yes they are left on the side of the road!!!!! And Memorial is in Mid-County!!!!!! [/quote]Lumberton and Kountze also reside in different classifications (4A and 2A respectively).

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="948728" timestamp="1295098969"] Who would have predicted this outcome so far? These two teams are deadlocked in district play after this week. ;D [/quote]And I'm sure they'll be deadlocked in 6 weeks as well.... On second thought  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[quote name="Abraham" post="949366" timestamp="1295210807"] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=78778.msg949346#msg949346 date=1295207405] [quote author=Abraham link=topic=78778.msg949343#msg949343 date=1295206570] But the question is when are they at there best? when they have the 3 big men out on the court or with 3 guards and 2 post??? Thats the truee question here [/quote]But in a game of matchups, the answer to that question is not always the same.  The 3 on the court depends on the other team's makeup. [/quote] I agree thats the answer to the riddle congrats faninthestands you have won the main prize!! [/quote]I'll come by and pick up my [i]FickleFingerofFate Award[/i] when I can.  8).... but regarding answering the riddle, that's what we have coaches for! And that's why we pay them the big bucks!  Er.... maybe its because they love the game, because it can't be the money, eh?

[quote name="ST413" post="949378" timestamp="1295212048"] Poppa, I guess I will give you a vuictory in the last meeting between the us as long as it is district or a district tiebreaker. [/quote]What?!? And break tradition!!!!  :o

[quote name="ST413" post="949231" timestamp="1295189128"] By the way not being able to wait for round 2 wasn't meant to take away from any other game. I just love seeing the atmosphere of this matchup. [/quote]Amen!!! That was a great atmosphere the other night. I bet the girls particularly enjoyed it!!!!  They should have done that years ago.

I'm especially liking the discipline that HJ is showing.  These girls are well-coached and seem to have all the tools.  HJ at home by 8.

[quote name="Abraham" post="949343" timestamp="1295206570"] But the question is when are they at there best? when they have the 3 big men out on the court or with 3 guards and 2 post??? Thats the truee question here [/quote]But in a game of matchups, the answer to that question is not always the same.  The 3 on the court depends on the other team's makeup.

You know, its funny, for a long time this thread was "congratulations" and "we'll get you next time" and "No you won't".  And then 2 or 3 got on the thread and said, "Quit you're whining and MAN UP".  And yet, none of those seem to be a part of the rivalry that is between these two schools.  I thought all was on the up and up until then. I just find it odd.

[quote name="ballin4life" post="949244" timestamp="1295191081"] if this, if that, who committed the fouls, thats part of the game. now if you are saying the refs had something to do with the outcome say that. it just sound like you are straddling the fence. ''MAN UP'' Silsbee won. [/quote]I don't think I made that claim at all.  In my original post about the game, I clearly stated that the best team won.  I would call that "manning up".

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="949329" timestamp="1295205106"] Yea WOS is playing some good ball. Don't think they will beat Silsbee or HJ but 3rd place isn't bad [/quote]You know, anytime you put a bunch of athletes on the court, anything can happen.  Somehow or another, WOS caught HJ by surprise and beat them last year and it wasn't that HJ played a bad game.  Its just WOS did everything right. So yes, these guys could pull the sleeper and beat HJ and even Silsbee.

[quote name="east texas bb" post="949191" timestamp="1295157415"] I listened to the game on the radio.  It sounded like a great game.  Opinions are just what they are.  Everyone can have one.  Why would you not congratulate someone on a victory?  Unless you thought there was an unfair advantage. [/quote]bb, I know you were planning on walking away from this thread but I'd like to offer an explanation that may help with our differences. When I hear someone say "If only this.... " or "If only that...." I see someone looking at things they need to fix in order to beat that same team during their next meeting. For example, wouldn't you say that HJ needs to try to avoid the foul trouble in Sour Lake if they want to win there?  Or HJ needs to try and give their big guns a little more rest so that they can hold back the 4th quarter rally? These "what ifs" are not taking away from the Silsbee victory - they deserved to win that game - but they are things to focus on in the rematch in Sour Lake.  I don't know, maybe I'm only speaking for myself.  Lord knows my views are sometimes not indicative to those of any other living person!  I guess that's just me.

[quote name="tigersvoice" post="949206" timestamp="1295173459"] Please don't take badsanta's opinions as the feelings of the Silsbee community.  I take it that badsanta is a Silsbee graduate that has done pretty well since graduation but doesn't have the sense to handle it.  His general tone reminds me of a braggart that we had on the forum a while ago by the ID of DickVitale.  A lot of similarities.  But, all have the right to express their opinions; just please don't link badsanta and today's Silsbee together. ;) [/quote]Good Lord, I know BS does not represent the Silsbee community.  At the regional Finals last year, I was surrounded by the Silsbee community and had a great time at the game.  I know there were some in the crowd on both sides that showed their rear ends, but for the most part the fans were great and that's what makes this rivalry great. And BS explained a lot when he said he never played basketball.  People that pop off like that rarely have ever stepped on the court except for after the game is over.  ;)  Our dear friend Swag from last year would be another shining example. No, my entire point was that for the most part the Silsbee faithful were a little surprised at how close the game was.  Although those that truly appreciate the rivalry know that no game is a given between these two teams.  The coaches know each other too well and the players really enjoy beating the other team.  This is like the Redskins and the Cowboys..... you can throw the records out the window and let the hounds loose!

[quote name="dogs1218" post="949182" timestamp="1295155596"] If you go by what I saw then, Silsbee would wipe the floor with HJ..  ;) Silsbee has more talent and will find their ways to win again this year.. Hope the HJ faithful dont get too upset when Silsbee gives them another "L" in Sour Lake  ;D :D [/quote]Ahhh, but that's why they play the game..... which was exactly my point.  You watched HJ at their worst when they played Nederland (granted, Nederland was a big reason for that...) and you saw Silsbee probably at the best against Ball. You saw and you judged and you were way off.  ;)

[quote name="east texas bb" post="949145" timestamp="1295150169"] THE POSTS I WAS TALKING ABOUT WERE THE ONES WHERE TWO-THREE POSTERS SAID THAT OR HINTED TO THE FACT THAT THE REASON SILSBEE WON IS BECAUSE HJ WAS IN FOUL TROUBLE.    I just dont like it when someone comes back with an excuse when they get beat, if you lost then oh well, get ready for the next game.  It sounded like a good game, dont ruin it or take away from the Silsbee kid's effort when they made a comeback.  And when you post that things would have been different if so in so wouldnt have been in foul trouble then you are taking that away.  There are too many intangibles in basketball for someone to "hint" to the fact that Silsbee won because there 3 players had to play a different style.  That is part of the game.  What is the saddest thing is I said more positive things about the HJ team in the post but none of that was even spoken of, it was only the negative part that people wanted to talk about.  [/quote]And what was said that numerous HJ posters praised the Silsbee Tigers on a great game and a great win.  And all you can see are sour apples. Now, does that make you the pot..... or the kettle?  ;) There is no question that the 4 fouls on the 3 players affected their play.  Now, if someone claimed that the 4 fouls were the result of poor refereeing, then I'd call that sour apples (no.... I'd stick with sour grape.... it's a southern thing).  But anyone watching the game could see that 3 things provided the win: 1) Silsbee's 4th quarter run 2) HJ's foul trouble 3) combination of Silsbee's athleticism and HJ's running out of gas (yes, one was the cause and one was the effect).

[quote name="dogs1218" post="949097" timestamp="1295145728"] As expected by everybody except the people from Sour Lake, Silsbee won.. You can point out flaws and say "If this" or "If that", but the fact is... Silsbee got the "W", and HJ got the "L".. Same result, different place next time. [/quote]I don't think this was the result that most people thought would happen.  If you read what people like BadSanta wrote, they were very surprised that HJ was in the game for so long.... especially after falling behind 5-0. And from what you saw during the Nederland - HJ game and the Silsbee - Ball game, I seem to recall you thinking that HJ won't stand a chance of beating Sislbee. Now, the HJ faithful watched the game and found out that HJ can stand toe to toe with Silsbee and, giving a break here or there, they can beat Silsbee. So, if you think, "same result", you might be mistaken.

[quote name="east texas bb" post="949077" timestamp="1295144435"] Can both apples or grapes not be soured?  We say it different a little up north.  Anyway, it just sounded like there was negativity in the thread in disguise.  Both teams are great and will probably be the team out of this Region to make it to Austin.  I could go back and point our where people were trying to post negative things while "really not being negative" I just dont want to take the time.  Good luck to both teams.   [/quote]Ok...... maybe down south we're not quite as psychically inclined to detect disguised negativity as you sour apple eating northerners....... ;)