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Pretty interesting. But as already stated, not illegal. If you want to look into something illegal ( and you always say how balanced and objective you are) run a google search on Rod Blagojevich, the former Democratic Governor of Illinois.

Careful REB, nobody but me will know who Annette is.

A guy looked at my Harley and said I wonder how many people could have been fed for the money that motorcycle cost. I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Milwaukee, Wisconsin who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed the people who made the components that went into it, it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the wires, it fed people in Decatur, Illinois at Caterpillar who make the trucks that haul the copper ore, I guess I really don't know how many people it fed. This is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality. When you buy something, you put money in peoples pockets and give them dignity for their skills. When you give someone something for nothing ( yes, tobie, free stuff) , you rob them of their dignity and self worth. Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of value, Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving something down your throat that you never asked for.

Doesnt seem to be in Ferguson and Baltimore.

Anybody care to bet what the political affiliation is of the honorable councilman?

I thnk you and Big Girl and the Dove do a pretty good job of what you are denying regarding the emboldened above.

by the way, CNN stands for Clinton News Network

Tobie, if you believe that article, then surely you must believe this one as well: [Hidden Content]

Well, someone has to counter the media which portrays it the other way. By the way, you stated this: " A right wing poster post opinions grouping all the left into a small box and then ask for a response" In that initial post, please point out where a response was requested.

Interesting because the above looks like a reply to me. And you are right. Free stuff doesn't exist and the Repubs having a majority in the house, senate, governorships, and state legislatures certainly prove that "just about every other group" leans left.

1. The Constitution of the United State is a living, breathing document to be molded by Liberals. 2. All resources belong to the government 3. The government is responsible for equitably distributing those resources to each of us. 4. Excess profits should be returned to the government in the form of tax payments. The more you make, the higher the percentage you owe. 5. Corporations are evil and greedy. 6. Free speech is only a right if we agree with the person speaking. 7. All airwaves and modes of communication should be monitored for fairness. 8. No mention of God or Judeo-Christian beliefs should be allowed in any public discussion or public place. 9. Anybody can marry anybody else. 10. The military is fundamentally designed to maintain peace and provide humanitarian aid, not make war. 11. We should never interfere in any other country's affairs, even if it is butchering hundreds of thousands of its own people. It's not our business. 12. The United Nations' member nations should have input in our legislative process and have domain over our citizens and military in the International Court of Justice. 13. We are to blame for global warming and the Kyoto treaty would have allowed us to remain friends with all the nations not required to follow the provisions set forth in that treaty. 14. We shouldn't use fossil fuels, but the Republicans have hampered our efforts to come up with alternative sources, such as wind power. We don't, however, want alternative sources of energy, such as wind power, in our back yard. 15. Judges with life appointments and no threat of reprisal should make law, not interpret it. 16.If you make a decision that hinges on reliable data that later are found to be unreliable, but you stop an evil dictator from supporting terrorists and conspiring against the free world, you are a liar. 17. DIck Cheney and Halliburton stole my money and decimated my 401-K.

This is the new, more compassionate America. Change we can believe in.

Its a very sad day when the federal government decides what someone can and cannot eat. Think about it- you cant have French fries, but you are welcome to have marijuana.

Proof positive that the conservatives have more independent thinkers vs the other party whose members all do whatever they are told to think..

Tobie, can you explain why the Kahn family is not mad at Islamic Terrorists who killed their son, but are really mad at Donald Trump for wanting to keep those people out of our country?

But wait, REB, that will NEVER happen. The reason is because the left "cares" so much about the "average Joe".

At this point in another election, Michael Dukakis had a 17 point lead over George H. W. Bush

I wish I held all the answers. Heck, I wish I held a fourth of them. I have what I believe is one tiny advantage over many who are considerably "more intellectually rewarded" than I am. I actually am aware that there are many things that I don't know and I consider that a plus for me. I guess I am overly sensitive when it comes to academics ( probably because I didn't do particularly well at them do to a lack of maturity or dedication) The left ( and when I say left, I am speaking in general terms and not wanting you to read anything personal into it) essentially always tells the right , that, among other things, it is the greater purveyor of objectivity and diversity because it has a deeper and more "educated" understanding of them. Concomitantly, it is unwilling to hear/consider alternative approaches that, from my viewpoint, are components of the very diversity they claim to celebrate. I know I have brought this up before, but I wish to repeat it because I think it illustrates my point clearly in regard to the suggestion that intellect is deeper on the left than it is on the right. Long Term Capital Management was a firm operated by those who would be considered "exceptionally enlightened" and unquestionably intellectually superior in its peer group. It had two Nobel Laureates within its management structure. It went bust and, though most dont realize this, was on the brink of causing a financial calamity that would have rivaled what happened during the sub prime mortgage crisis in 2007 and 2008 (that the left, quite wrongly, assigns exclusive blame to the right/George Bush). A group of major Wall Street Banks (which the left delights in criticizing on a daily basis) bailed the firm out. Maybe knowing algorithms inside and out isnt as great as it is supposed to be. Nobody need take my word for it. Google " Long Term Capital Management" or read the book "When Genius Failed" ( a title of which I am particularly fond) and draw your own conclusions.

Sure would be interested to see those same results broken down into groups of those between 25 and 40, between 40 and 50 and between 50 and 60, and attempt to discern a trend. I have a very strong suspicion that the "superiority of the left" numbers decline as age/wisdom numbers increase. I am compelled to believe that, at some point in one's life, one arrives at a conclusion that the nobility of an idea is not as noble as it once appeared when comparing the suggested societal benefit to the true societal cost. won mite fynd da trend 2 bee unbieleivable

I suppose I could be considered clueless about media bias. And my intellect is average at best. However, my intellect is sufficient to know what the NBC editing of the Trayvon Martin 911 tape represented. On a side note, here is a very small example of that " the left is smarter than the right" suggestion/inference. I have stated somewhere on this board previously that , to be hired into my profession, I had to pass a securities exam that many say ranks third in degree of difficulty behind the medical exam and the bar exam. I barely passed the test. My boss informed me that while supervising an office in Chicago, two ladies with Ivy League degrees were hired at his office. Both scoffed at the warnings of difficulty of the exam and both failed the exam after two months of study/preparation. In my lifetime, I have encountered numerous intelligent people who have a paucity of formal education present within a plethora of success. Have also know a number of "professional" students who accomplished everything in college and little in life. Therefore, my "unenlightened" perspective is that there is considerably more involved in a good, well rounded education than what your grades were at Harvard or Oxford or Podunk University. I also always enjoy the contention of the left that they are the ones that care more, understand better, and best represent the interest of the average Joe, aka the "little guy". Statements such as " I feel your pain" are put forward before, during, and after they have looked askance at the education and values of said Joe.

Then , if I am understanding you correctly, you are of the considered opinion ( in all honesty, of course) that the media is very objective and equitable in its coverage of the two candidates?

I guess we all have differenct perceptions of the media. From my perspective, any Republican is an "absolute dream for the media". They destroyed Sara Palin and Herman Cain and are very accustomed to doing so successfully. They have done their level best to do it to Donald Trump since the day he began competing against 16 other Republicans. I know you wont admit this, but the vast majority of the media is deeply "in the tank" for whomever is running for office from the left side of the spectrum.. If Trump is the dream for the media, my suggestion is that he is merely the "current dream" and that the media is quite good at manufacturing and perpetuating the "dream" of its choice.

Talking with a few local Koch employees and paraphrasing what they tell you or coming to a broad conclusion based on a few conversations is somewhat less than compelling evidence that the bottom employees are consistenly treated badly. And just a quick FYI, I happen to be personal friends with someone within the Koch human resources department. I feel the President was elected for several reasons. Yes, one of those is the promise of free stuff. Do I have scientific evidence that this is true. No. I am awating your scientific evidence that says otherwise. Regarding the lies told?- This race consists of a very polilshed, politically correct liar against an unpolished, brash, outspoken, politically incorrect liar.

And you took the time to poll all of those people to first find out if they are receiving free stuff. Then you polled again to see who they voted for. Between this and your "evidence" about the mistreatement of employees at Koch, how do you find time to do anything else?