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Pam Fam and Tobie- any interest in discussing this or do you wish to confine your discussions to Iraq and Halliburton?

If you believe that the Iraq invasion was the Presidents exclusive decision, we needn't talk any further. Self delusion can be grand, can't it?

And the President is unable to take such actions without strong support from the other people involved in operating this country. Bottom line is you are trying to further advance the thought that the war, somehow, was caused exclusively by Bush.

And the slurpers will tell you that is , somehow, the fault of George Bush. Since 1967, the average wage is up 500%. The Postage stamp is up 900% and the good old benevolent federal government can, with pride, report that the average disability payment is up 1160%

Never said that. But, of course, I would tend to believe more of what Repubs say than dems and vice versa for you. What I was saying is that the "WMD LIE" is a narrative that the left has pushed so long and so hard, many many folks accept it as the gospel and same goes for "hands up, Dont shoot", and Bush caused the financial debacle of 2007-2008. None of those are anywhere close to true and I will always do my best to counter them. I also tire of the narrative pushed long and hard that states the Republicans dont care about the little guy. The little guy is in no better shape today than he was when Mr. Obama took office.

The FACTS are there for you to acknowledge or not acknowledge.

In listening to the video, Mr. Trump should have said, " it depends on what the meaning of a relationship is" Sort of like this:

Ya think?

You have stated multiple times that the WMD was a lie. To use your words, you swung and you missed. If the war was about Cheney and Halliburton, why did Hillary, John Kerry, Harry Reid, Joe Biden, and Charles Schumer, among many others, VOTE FOR the resolution?

Wait a minute now. Da Dove recently stated on this board that the black lives matter movement only wants to "reaffirm" that black live do matter.

No he doesn't. He has told me that he is VERY objective about all this and only you and I are the ones that accept everything our party puts out. Surely he is being "truthful"?

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Now you are talking about the Clinton foundation

IF you are right, then you are saying that whomever has been actively involved for the shortest period, also has been " bought" less than someone who has spent a lifetime there. Additionally, if money is no object for one, isnt it likely the money has less influence on that individual?

And her mom lectures the country on white privilege

NewTobie- In several different threads, you have insisted that Mr. Bush/Mr. Cheney lied about weapons of Mass destruction and Big Girl has chimed in on that claim several times. Bluedove, in his post titled"Obama, One of the Greatest Presidents," posted an article detailing a bit of background in rating every single president. Please read the little gems below which are a direct quote from that article and then let me know about the big lie. "Only a few months into his Presidency the nation was attacked by terrorists, the most devastating attack on American soil. Invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan proved successful, to a degree, but American troops are still in combat operations in Afghanistan. The discovery of WMD in Iraq only slightly vindicates him. And, yes, there were chemical weapons found in Iraq, a fact that came out with a New York Times report well after Bush left office."

Just an example or two please?

Do you have any basis for not trusting Ben other than the fact that he is a conservative?

Tobie and Big Girl- what say you?

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Tobie- this one is for you: [Hidden Content]

There's that objectivity you tout!!!!