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[quote name="Bobcat05" post="955847" timestamp="1296155369"] No coach TRYS to lose, so please stop getting on here and making yourself look foolish, HF does not even come close to the same talent as HJ are you serious? How did the last time OF played HF go? It went a little something like....66-58. The time HF won I was told OF was missing player(s). You beat Orangefield, you should have just stopped your season that's a huge win, I mean last time you beat OF was when?  Good coaches still need something to work with, no one can make chicken salad out of chicken ....!     [/quote] Bobcat, I certainly understand your reasoning but couldn"t all of this have been said in exactly the same way prior to the Silsbee-HF game?

[quote name="sfasuljack" post="955845" timestamp="1296155237"] Think it might have something more to do with height or a lack thereof... basketball, in general, is more dependent on height than any other major sport. If you don't pass the height requirement in basketball, you have to be ridiculously talented and skilled to make it. 6' guard (small), 6' DB/WR (avg)... 6'2" guard (above avg), 6'2" DB/WR (big), 6'4" guard (startin to hit bball range), 6'4" DB/WR (huge)... you get the idea. Same is true in football, the heights just aren't as high. Bottom line for me is if a kid is good at and likes multiple sports, I'd advise them to play them. It's  multiple bites at a free education. If they choose one or the other, they better be right, cause college scholarships are in short supply, especially when you consider how many kids want them. I'd be good with head coach of a sport being in charge of their lifting as long as they believe in strength development thru every season from 7th-12th grade. I hear 'in season' and 'maintenance' in the same sentence and I'd be way off board. And if I were an AD, we'd be testing all along the way to verify the kids strength, agility, speed, vertical, etc... was improving. And yes, even thru football season. And again, I'm talkin 3a and below, which I prefer. I enjoy coaching the same kids in multiple sports. [/quote]  I agree with your entire statement.  If a short guy has to be "ridiculously talented" or "ridiculously SKILLED", then for him to have a chance, wouldn't it stand to  reason that he had better pay more attention to honing that skill than developing more muscles.

[quote name="lcm2007ms" post="955820" timestamp="1296152871"] the foul count was about 20 for LCM and 3 for Lumberton [/quote] Was game in Orange or Lumberton?

How would a Silsbee-HF game turn out if HF had Phil Jackson and Silsbee had Badsanta?

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="955741" timestamp="1296146253"] This statement that I copied from the previous post above, says it all: [b]When ur best athletes are one sport guys at my level, the overall athletic program suffers.[/b] [/quote] And the solution to that issue is ?

[quote name="sfasuljack" post="955750" timestamp="1296146831"] [quote author=speechless link=topic=79171.msg955732#msg955732 date=1296145138] summer games dont count is the easy answer to those complaints if your sport or athlete requires strength gain in order to be successful and you have communicated that to the athlete then perhaps there are larger issues with that athlete no one is saying only play one sport just saying that the coach hired to be the head coach of the sport should be able to decide when and how to lift the kids during that sport so that it best fits the schedule he/she thinks will benefit their team the most also, the million dollar question is: is it the same across the board for all sports?  you and i both know the answer to that  guarantee that the lifting becomes much more important and stringent once football season is over [/quote] What games do count? Just varsity? How bout sub varsity? Does Jr. High count? Let me know so I can tell parents. In my experience, most parents think they all count so they don't want little johnny to ever lift on any kind of game day. And since they're always 'in season' they shouldn't lift heavy, right?;) And which sports exactly don't require strength to be successful? Even better, in which sport is the weaker skilled player better than the stronger skilled player in that sport? Gonna be long list I'm sure:) [/quote] No question that the stronger skilled player is better than the weaker skilled player assuming skill level is identical. I would ask you in this manner, how much emphasis should be put on strength and how much on skill and why does ONLY the football coach have the right answer for athletes specializing in other sports?

I will  respectfully ask this one more time.  If you dont respond, ok.  Why is the football coach better qualified to prescribe/supervise the weight lifting program for basketball players or baseball players?  Is there an assumption that the football coach somehow knows something about lifting that the other coaches do not? (give me a break)  If the football coach believes/knows that his athletes should spend x% of their time each week getting stronger and X% of their time developing their skills, why must that be the same for other sports?  What if the basketball coach or baseball coach believes that his time should be divided up by .9x% and 1.1X% respectively?  What if the baseball coach has a good defensive player that is batting 150 and believes he can win an extra few games if he can get that player to bat around 225.  Will the batting average improve if he lifts more or if he dedicates additional time to his swinging/hitting technique?

[quote name="sfasuljack" post="955715" timestamp="1296143398"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=79171.msg955709#msg955709 date=1296142718] [quote author=sfasuljack link=topic=79171.msg955702#msg955702 date=1296141793] [/quote] I think it is a mistake to believe what benefits the linebacker has  equal benefits to the first baseman. [/quote] What happens when the LB is the 1st baseman... and TE... and 800m runner? Especially at 3A and below, multi-sport athletes are critical to every programs success. And I would argue that squats, power cleans, bench, incline & dead lift are critical to building the explosion needed to be a successful point guard, QB, lineman, golfer, volleyball player, etc... Durants a great player. Could he be even better if he were stronger? Could he even jump higher & run faster with additional stength development? I say yes. Its not skill OR strength development, the ideal is BOTH. Would Dwight Howard be as good with Durants strength? Besides, we're talking HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETES, not professionals. And most good high school athletes compete in multiple sports and hence are 'in season' year round. So, a healthy dose of some type of base level/general weight program is needed that has benefits to all sports. My vote goes to the 5 lifts I mentioned above. [/quote]  Sorry but I want my point guard to be proficient at shooting, dribbling, and passing.  If he can do those three things at a very high level, I will not be concerned about his explosiveness.  Sure, it would be nice to have that explosiveness, but ABSOLUTELY NOT at the expense of developing the other three.  While I must admit that Howards strength contributes materially to his success, you must admit that Durants skills more than offset his lack of strength.  And I STILL have not heard anybody tell me why the coach for each sport is not equally and/or better qualified to prescribe and supervise his players lifting regimen as opposed instead of the football coach. [/quote] I want my PG to be proicient as those as well and be able fly all over the court and jump outta the gym and be physical because my PG must play defense. And just to play devil's advocate... i'm betting my more explosive athlete will defend ur 'skill only' guy nicely. But again, it's not either/or, you need both IMO. [/quote]  Bet all you wish, but Kevin Durant and Paul Pierce are going to score against Ron Artest whenever they want to.  I am not advocating not having weight training.  Please answer my oft asked question (which everyone conveniently ignores) Why is the football coach better qualified to know what strength training and what volume of same will benefit the basketball player than the basketball coach?

[quote name="sfasuljack" post="955702" timestamp="1296141793"] [/quote] I think it is a mistake to believe what benefits the linebacker has  equal benefits to the first baseman. [/quote] What happens when the LB is the 1st baseman... and TE... and 800m runner? Especially at 3A and below, multi-sport athletes are critical to every programs success. And I would argue that squats, power cleans, bench, incline & dead lift are critical to building the explosion needed to be a successful point guard, QB, lineman, golfer, volleyball player, etc... Durants a great player. Could he be even better if he were stronger? Could he even jump higher & run faster with additional stength development? I say yes. Its not skill OR strength development, the ideal is BOTH. Would Dwight Howard be as good with Durants strength? Besides, we're talking HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETES, not professionals. And most good high school athletes compete in multiple sports and hence are 'in season' year round. So, a healthy dose of some type of base level/general weight program is needed that has benefits to all sports. My vote goes to the 5 lifts I mentioned above. [/quote]  Sorry but I want my point guard to be proficient at shooting, dribbling, and passing.  If he can do those three things at a very high level, I will not be concerned about his explosiveness.  Sure, it would be nice to have that explosiveness, but ABSOLUTELY NOT at the expense of developing the other three.  While I must admit that Howards strength contributes materially to his success, you must admit that Durants skills more than offset his lack of strength.  And I STILL have not heard anybody tell me why the coach for each sport is not equally and/or better qualified to prescribe and supervise his players lifting regimen as opposed instead of the football coach.

[quote name="no-look" post="955688" timestamp="1296140814"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=79329.msg955685#msg955685 date=1296140498] I have a suggestion for all of the many board participants who have an interest in making this board #1 in  posting volume.  All we need is something that might entice a lot of different posters to offer their thoughts.  Since ESPN has its "Espys", why can't this board have a similar type of, perhaps," Setxies".  We could start by nominating me for the "How To Win Friends and Influence People" award or perhaps "Statistical Interpretations" award.  I am sure there are a many other awards for which I am worthy but, in an effort to show humility, I believe the spotlight and kudos should be shared with so many other deserving luminaries.   Let the nomination process begin. [/quote]You sir would be front runner in both those areas.......but I think you would really excell in "The Ability To Hack Somebody Off Without Really Trying Award".....  ;D [/quote] You are so kind but I wanted to keep that one secret and keep as the final award.  You know, sort of like announcing the entire all tournament team and then finalizing it all with the MVP award.

[quote name="speechless" post="955673" timestamp="1296139291"] silsbee 853 lumberton 1063 [/quote] I thought Lumberton was 4-a.  What is the smallest school in 21-3a in terms of student enrollment?

I have a suggestion for all of the many board participants who have an interest in making this board #1 in  posting volume.  All we need is something that might entice a lot of different posters to offer their thoughts.  Since ESPN has its "Espys", why can't this board have a similar type of, perhaps," Setxies".  We could start by nominating me for the "How To Win Friends and Influence People" award or perhaps "Statistical Interpretations" award.  I am sure there are a many other awards for which I am worthy but, in an effort to show humility, I believe the spotlight and kudos should be shared with so many other deserving luminaries.  Let the nomination process begin.

[quote name="no-look" post="955672" timestamp="1296139241"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=79323.msg955661#msg955661 date=1296138659] [quote author=no-look link=topic=79323.msg955641#msg955641 date=1296136161] What knowledge and superior insight you can get from this site!  My IQ has trippled since I logged on!   ;D [/quote] Would that mean going from 80 to 240 or 20 to 60? [/quote]Dont know what you are sayin..... [/quote] If you don't know, my guess is that the latter numbers are correct

[quote name="no-look" post="955641" timestamp="1296136161"] What knowledge and superior insight you can get from this site!  My IQ has trippled since I logged on!   ;D [/quote] Would that mean going from 80 to 240 or 20 to 60?

[quote name="bullets13" post="955643" timestamp="1296136459"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=79323.msg955568#msg955568 date=1296105725] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=79323.msg955566#msg955566 date=1296105551] Thank you stevenash!!!!! :D :D :D [/quote] I also think swag, DV, and BADSANTA of late, should be commended. ;D [/quote] what about swag/red2red/betrayed? :) [/quote] Although it is most rewarding to be accorded such recognition, I think it important that we not forget all the efforts made via the numerous ttt posts.  Many thanks should be given to those contributors as well.

[quote name="speechless" post="955639" timestamp="1296136027"] actually may be tougher in 3a since 3a schools have and always have had the largest disparity in enrollment numbers from top to bottom [/quote] Wondering if anyone knows the difference in the number of students attending the largest 21 3-a school vs. the number of students attending the smallest 21 3-a school.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="955568" timestamp="1296105725"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=79323.msg955566#msg955566 date=1296105551] Thank you stevenash!!!!! :D :D :D [/quote] I also think swag, DV, and BADSANTA of late, should be commended. ;D [/quote] Swag, DV, Badsanta and I will be at our annual convention in Vegas next month to discuss ways to help this board become #1.  Several other board participants will be extended special invitations to this exclusive event.  May advice to those invitees is " Don't fail to miss this extravaganza". 

[quote name="diggstown" post="955637" timestamp="1296135624"] No doubt players of that caliber have great hand/eye coordination.  Its very similar to steroids debate.do you want players with warning track power. Or one that hits the deep ball. Skill is a requirement,  power is optional. Ill take both if I get to choose. Plenty of practice to promote sklls and strength training to increase power. [/quote] My suggestion is that, if the skills are insufficient, the amount of strength one possesses has little, if any value.

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="955610" timestamp="1296132032"] Lazeek you are correct but no water bottles bro. There was a health reason why I didn't play high school ball. Lazeek did you ball back in the 30's during the peach basket era or football before the forward pass and face mask came about? [/quote] No - he was too busy breaking par nearly every round on the golf course.

[quote name="SHSTIGER" post="955586" timestamp="1296111445"] so against of it's not as likely, but hardly illogical? ;) ;) The average point differential of all district games has nothing to do with the average point differential of Silsbee's games!! [/quote] Based on the statistics presented, it would certainly NOT be illogical since the average margin of victory (before the last game) was about 49 points per game.  If you include the last game, the average margin is still just under 45 points per game. Since said logical predictions were statistically based, could one conclude that logic dictates a predicted  victory margin of between 45 and 49 in the second round? 

[quote name="tigersvoice" post="955612" timestamp="1296132999"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=79215.msg955569#msg955569 date=1296105820] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=79215.msg955565#msg955565 date=1296105511] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=79215.msg955553#msg955553 date=1296104258] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=79215.msg955339#msg955339 date=1296086276] Dogs- I have one final question for you.  If we first assume, as you contend, that history means nothing and then we assume that, as you say and so eloquently reason in this thread that, the third time is a charm, I would like to inquire the following.  If Silsbee beats HJ next week at HJ but HJ manages to get to the regionals and somehow meets up with Silsbee again, it seems as though you are saying HJ will win since Silsbee won the first two. Right? [/quote] You take things out of context too much Mr. Nash.. History is great for schools and for society, but I was talking about basketball history of teams, and the fact that HJ assumes that history will repeat itself and no matter what other people think, HJ will win.. But to answer your question, HJ will not beat Silsbee next week (unless by some missing players from Silsbee and/or homecooking  ;) ), and if they meet again (but I have already stated that I dont think so) SIlsbee will be 3-0 against HJ.. Clear enough? [/quote] ::) ::) How about you show up to the game and watch it with all of the Hawk and Tiger fans???  I would love your input on the game in person!!!!  Doubt that will happen though.  I am even sure that AAW and myself could fit you in for some halftime critique of the first half of the game!!!! [/quote] Fine by me. That's usually when I run to take a piss. ;D [/quote] HEY!  You big time sports announcers can't be using language like that (the "P" word).  Nance or MUSHburger would have said, "That's when I excuse myself to the rest room."  WATCH IT! ;D [/quote] ;D

[quote name="Riding Solo" post="955530" timestamp="1296101783"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=79171.msg955517#msg955517 date=1296100487] [quote author=diggstown link=topic=79171.msg955503#msg955503 date=1296099740] If you want a firstbaseman that hits like Adam Everett keep them out of the weightroom. On the flipside most coaches would prefer a player with upper and lower bodystrength, flexibility   developed fast twitch muscle fibers that lead to speed and power and a good body comp. I believe all of those attributes can lead to success in most sports male or female. And it is very difficult to accomplish these things without a complete workout . regiment that includes strength training.  I just talked to Albert pujols and he told me he hits all of those bombs off the lastros because of zumba. Debate settled. [/quote] Glad you and Albert were able to resolve this issue so quickly.  I wonder if Albert believes his ability to properly time the ptich, swing the bat and make good contact is more important than the size of his forearms or vice versa? [/quote] I think the size of his forearms has something to do with his "power" yes it must be the weight training. Eye/hand coordination is born not something weight lifting can give you. [/quote]  Hand- eye coordination is developed over time like any other skill. 

[quote name="diggstown" post="955503" timestamp="1296099740"] If you want a firstbaseman that hits like Adam Everett keep them out of the weightroom. On the flipside most coaches would prefer a player with upper and lower bodystrength, flexibility   developed fast twitch muscle fibers that lead to speed and power and a good body comp. I believe all of those attributes can lead to success in most sports male or female. And it is very difficult to accomplish these things without a complete workout . regiment that includes strength training.  I just talked to Albert pujols and he told me he hits all of those bombs off the lastros because of zumba. Debate settled. [/quote] Glad you and Albert were able to resolve this issue so quickly.  I wonder if Albert believes his ability to properly time the ptich, swing the bat and make good contact is more important than the size of his forearms or vice versa?

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="955497" timestamp="1296099446"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=79180.msg955410#msg955410 date=1296094054] Average margin of victory in the 1st 12 games played in 21-3A this season is 20.75. [/quote] That is considerably less than 30-40!!!! ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Considerably.

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="955490" timestamp="1296099163"] I was told tonight that Silsbee played easily their worst game of the year and HF played really well and slowed the pace.  Just sayin what I heard!!!! ;) [/quote] I heard some HJ fans say that after HJ was soundly beaten by Nederland that  the enlightened told them those types of claims/suggestions were sour grapes.