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[quote name="SHSTIGER" post="955457" timestamp="1296097528"] I've taken statistics so I'm fully aware of what you are speaking of. Before i dig through the books at what percentage of occurrence does a 30-40 pt win become illogical? [/quote] I did NOT take statistics so  I may be ill prepared to have this conversatin with you.(  However, I have made a living interpreting them for many many years)  I would guess that the percentage occurrence of which you speak would be a matter of personal interpretation.  The word illogical is, to some extent a personal judgement call, while statistics in themselves are absolute.  I don't think you need to do much digging.  If, as you previously stated, 30-40 point wins are a common and normal occurrence between the two aformentioned teams, I certainly could not claim that a prediction of same to be illogical and am prepared to withdraw that suggestion once I am assured that these margins of victory have been pretty regular.  There is nothing illogical about the outcome of a game but rather the prediction of the game is possibly illogical.  The stock market has advanced over 90% since its low in March of 2009.  Would you consider it logical to project another 90% advance in the ensuing 22 months?  If you do, it will be very easy for you to become many times more rich than you may already be.

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="955460" timestamp="1296097684"] I would hope so! Malcolm X you didn't play either and yes I kept score for the team. Big Deal! Hasn't held me back in life. Out of all of you guys who have jokes, how many of you road the bench the entire season? Yes you may have played, but most of your PT came during practice or at the park. No I'm not T. Holden. At least he played, made Allstate, played at a S.E.C. school, and a few years in Europe. Some of you guys sat right at the end of the bench next to me wondering where coach was going to take us for the team meal. C'mon son!  Aggie, you and I both know most of the guys on here (not all but you know who you are) can't wait till the game on Fridays so they can patiently stand in line for a delicious frito pie only to double back thru the line 10 min later for a coke and a candy bar! [/quote] Not me.  If I want my delicious frito pie, I ain't waiting till Friday for it.  I will be bold enough to buy it during the week and will get my coke and candy bar at the same time.  No sir, you won't catch me doubling back, ever.  I resent your suggestion that most of us didnt play much basketball.  I was on a college team with a grand total of 1200 students and managed to average 1.3 minutes per game during my very illustrious career and was an absolute animal for the hatchet team in practice every day.

[quote name="no-look" post="955395" timestamp="1296092486"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=79052.msg954539#msg954539 date=1296002821] [quote author=no-look link=topic=79052.msg954521#msg954521 date=1296001194] Center @ Central Diboll @ Hudson Jasper @ Kirbyville I say Jasper wins but the other games is a toss up. [/quote] Not if the half courters are falling and a certain peace officer organization is involved. [/quote]Still not as good as tilted rims and home grown refs....  ;D [/quote] Not to mention a few switch blades?

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="955372" timestamp="1296090292"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=79215.msg955365#msg955365 date=1296089396] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=79215.msg955362#msg955362 date=1296088835] Nash, you seem confused between what is a "post" and what is a "thread". HSBALL03 initiated the "thread". dogs1218 made a "post" on this "thread" You have already initiated a "post" aplogizing for your mistake. There is no need to initiate a new "thread" doing the same. BTW, excellent try, Nash. You'll figure it out someday. ;D [/quote] Yes, all I can do is continue to try.  And I think you are right because with all the scrutiny that my comments receive, I am bound to get it right sooner or later.  Additionally, now that I understand that such oversight is acceptable, I will not feel badly when I provide some myself. That will be o n l y  for the sake of accuracy and/or clarity, of course. [/quote] Provide some yourself?? All this time, I thought you did that on a regular basis. ;D [/quote]  Nope- My efforts are usually directed toward someone who thinks its cute, funny, or wise to belittle/besmirch players or coaches.  Sometimes those dastardly deeds go unnoticed.  When that happens, I am unable to resist my personal proclivity to offer a retort.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="955392" timestamp="1296092128"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=79171.msg955369#msg955369 date=1296089999] [quote author=DTH link=topic=79171.msg955361#msg955361 date=1296088459] I am sure those guys don't use weights.  Yeah right!!! Baseball guys do largely the same weight exercises as football guys. For everyone person you find that agrees you will always find a malcontent. [/quote] I dont believe I said that those guys dont use weights.  I also believe you understood my point, but do not wish to acknowledge it.  Furthermore, to suggest that three Hall of Famers could not compete in todays game is totally without merit.  I still would like for you to have me understand why the athletes from other sports are better served using the football weight regimen than one provided for and supervised by their own coach.  Because of limited time available at the high school level, I would also suggest that in some instances, the need for skill improvement takes priority to the need for more strength.  Not saying there should not be lifting, but suggesting , once again, the coach of each respective sport is MUCH better suited to know what serves his players/teams interest best. [/quote] Your responses seem to assume that the coaches of the respective sports have no say in the type of weight training...and assumption that if I read DTH and play defense's posts correctly are not the case. [/quote]I agree with that and it would be wrong to make said assumption.  My reference is to what I know of as "universal offseason" and my understanding is that all athletes must participate in the football weight lifting program year round.  I simply believe, rightly or wrongly, that there are many instances where that approach is counterproductive for other sports.  Perhaps I do not understand that program properly.  If it gives the other coaches some latitude in selecting the timing and volume of  lifting to be done, I retract my comments.  However, I believe I understand that situation correctly and have difficulty in believing a one size fits all approach is, without fail, the best for all involved.  If the golfer spends 15 more minutes refining his putting stroke, I can unequivocally promise you better results than 15 more minutes on the weight bench.  I think it is a mistake to believe what benefits the linebacker has  equal benefits to the first baseman.

[quote name="SHSTIGER" post="955407" timestamp="1296093691"] That response is perfectly knowledgeable, but given the history of games played between these two programs it is also perfectly logical to assume a blowout win by the Tigers. Nothing has occurred this season to disprove that logic, imho. [/quote] I don't have access to any statistics, but it sounds to me like you are saying that the average margin of victory is in the 30-40 point range when these two teams play each other.  Am I assuming correctly?  If that is, indeed, correct, I must further assume that the relatively close game recently played between the two should be considered, in your opinion, an aberration.  If you possess the data that confirms the 30-40 point margin to be the norm when these teams play each other, it would be wrong of me to suggest that predicting that type of outcome is illogical if we accept history as the guiding force for predicting the future.  In my simplistic mind, I had concluded that, since Silsbee had a relatively tough time at Hamshire and since HJ was down 18-3 in the first quarter at home against Orangefield, and shortly thereafter, Bridge City beat Orangefield and Silsbee was losing to HJ at home for the first three quarters of the game, it might possibly seem irresponsible to project large victories for anyone.  After digesting all of this, would you recommend that I predict a large margin of victory when HJ visits Hamshire this Friday?  Since I consider myself somewhat conversant with statistics (not necessarily ones related to basketball) I would caution you about one thing.  When looking at average scores, be prepared that a single large margin can distort, to an extent, the averages.  As an example, if ten games are all won by 10 points, its easy to conclude the average victory margin was ten points.  However if the next game is a 40 point blowout, the average margin of victory becomes about 30% higher in spite of it being just one game of 11.  In that case, you will hear many statisticians refer you to a theory that involves something called reversion to the mean.

[quote name="SHSTIGER" post="955391" timestamp="1296092111"] So, you maintain that the predictions of a 30-40 pt. win over HF by the Tigers was illogical? [/quote] Sir, in my humble and unenlightened opinion, to predict 30-40 point wins between any two teams in this district is illogical.  If one analyzes the scores of every game played within the district to this point, I would deduce(unscientifically, of course) that the average margin of victory is considerably less than 30-40 points.  It would seem to me that after analyzing said data, one could logically conclude that such predictions have a reasonable likelihood of being reflected upon as illogical by the majority of those who might choose to analyze and respond.  It might be interesting to merely look at the scores of all the games played and just see what percentage of the victories were by margins in excess of 30 points. I have to believe that percentage is somewhat miniscule.

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="955387" timestamp="1296091563"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=79180.msg954217#msg954217 date=1295977176] No doubt whatsoever.  I may be going to Lauberge later this week and would certainly appreciate any advice you could provide. [/quote]My advice....... although it is unsolicited: [i]"Cut out the middle man and simply throw your money out the car window".[/i]   ;) [/quote] I understand what you are saying, but the Dove seems to KNOW about the future.  That HAS to be able to help me win a few $. And your advice is always welcomed, whether solicited or not.  The more opinions one has, the easier it is to come to a reasonable conclusion, particularly in the case of dead horses and 911 calls.

[quote name="SHSTIGER" post="955380" timestamp="1296091285"] So, by making a logical prediction of this game being relatively close, can we say that these people were making illogical predictions based on the outcome of the game? [/quote] Yes, if we accept the premise that predicting a relatively close game is logic as opposed to political correctness.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="955358" timestamp="1296088336"] [quote author=Malcolm X link=topic=79266.msg955357#msg955357 date=1296088115] Bad Santa is T.Holden...lol [/quote] Way off on this one. I have met BS, he is not Holden. [/quote] I think that when Mr. X added the LOL ( meaning laugh out loud) he was inferring that he meant that BS is NOT Mr. Holden and the comment, resultantly, was being spoken in jest.  It was very likely intended to be a sarcastic effort to be humorous.

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="955374" timestamp="1296090595"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=79215.msg955365#msg955365 date=1296089396] Yes, all I can do is continue to try.  And I think you are right because with all the scrutiny that my comments receive, [b]I am bound to get it right sooner or later[/b].  Additionally, now that I understand that such oversight is acceptable, I will not feel badly when I provide some myself. That will be  [font=Trebuchet MS]o n l y[/font]  for the sake of accuracy and/or clarity, of course. [/quote]... Well, you know what they say.  Something about enough monkeys at typewriters could eventually write a Shakespearean play.  I guess if they could do that, then we could expect you to get it right sooner or later....... probably later..... but you get the picture.  ;) [/quote] Nope, I don't get the picture because I lack the intellect to do so.  But, with some persistence, and the magnanimous, unbiased, and particularly well intentioned help of others, I have a small chance.

[quote name="DTH" post="955361" timestamp="1296088459"] I am sure those guys don't use weights.  Yeah right!!! Baseball guys do largely the same weight exercises as football guys. For everyone person you find that agrees you will always find a malcontent. [/quote] I dont believe I said that those guys dont use weights.  I also believe you understood my point, but do not wish to acknowledge it.  Furthermore, to suggest that three Hall of Famers could not compete in todays game is totally without merit.  I still would like for you to have me understand why the athletes from other sports are better served using the football weight regimen than one provided for and supervised by their own coach.  Because of limited time available at the high school level, I would also suggest that in some instances, the need for skill improvement takes priority to the need for more strength.  Not saying there should not be lifting, but suggesting , once again, the coach of each respective sport is MUCH better suited to know what serves his players/teams interest best.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="955362" timestamp="1296088835"] Nash, you seem confused between what is a "post" and what is a "thread". HSBALL03 initiated the "thread". dogs1218 made a "post" on this "thread" You have already initiated a "post" aplogizing for your mistake. There is no need to initiate a new "thread" doing the same. BTW, excellent try, Nash. You'll figure it out someday. ;D [/quote] Yes, all I can do is continue to try.  And I think you are right because with all the scrutiny that my comments receive, I am bound to get it right sooner or later.  Additionally, now that I understand that such oversight is acceptable, I will not feel badly when I provide some myself. That will be  [font=Trebuchet MS]o n l y[/font]  for the sake of accuracy and/or clarity, of course.

[quote name="tigersvoice" post="954974" timestamp="1296052851"] [quote author=bmrm link=topic=79266.msg954778#msg954778 date=1296014080] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=79266.msg954756#msg954756 date=1296013243] I'm not sold on Silsbee making it back to Regionals. Aggie if they win district, who is it shaping out they could play? Is it too early to tell? [/quote] Boy, boy, boy Santa, why do you continue to degrade Silsbee's chances of winning it all when you are an admitted Tiger supporter?  I would think you would be singing their praises as opposed to downgrading their chances in the playoffs.      [/quote] Because he is as bi-polar as they come.  That's my internet diagnosis.  Given the chance for a closer examination I may change my mind. :D ;) [/quote]Diagnose all you wish but don't make the mistake of taking him on in a golf match.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="955344" timestamp="1296086780"] dogs1218 never started this thread. HSBALL03 did. Get your facts straight. ;) ;D [/quote] I owe you a HUGE apology Dogs.  I failed to note that while you offered your wisdom on here, it certainly was NOT you that initiated the post.  Therefore, I must respectfully retract my comment and admit my glaring error. I probably should initiate a new post with the apology for all to see the error of my ways but I could be castigated for same so will just hope you read this one.  Somehow I suspect that there will be nobody saying "excellAnt post, Nash" because there is little excellEnce in it.

[quote name="hfmom08" post="955337" timestamp="1296085925"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=79300.msg955183#msg955183 date=1296069720] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=79300.msg955171#msg955171 date=1296069132] I'd be shocked if HJ doesn't win this one by at least 25, but HF has shocked me before (namely how well they played silsbee and how poorly they played WOS). [/quote]HF didn't play with the intensity they had against Silsbee. Plus Silsbee missed a bunch of easy shots and bad passes. ;) [/quote] Correction Blue - Silsbee was only missing their 2nd best player and their head coach which make up the team!  :) [/quote] Oh yeah?  Well, let me tell you one thing.  Hj will be without their 12th best player and their 967th best fan.

Dogs- I have one final question for you.  If we first assume, as you contend, that history means nothing and then we assume that, as you say and so eloquently reason in this thread that, the third time is a charm, I would like to inquire the following.  If Silsbee beats HJ next week at HJ but HJ manages to get to the regionals and somehow meets up with Silsbee again, it seems as though you are saying HJ will win since Silsbee won the first two. Right?

[quote name="dogs1218" post="955324" timestamp="1296083877"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=79215.msg955319#msg955319 date=1296083193] Dogs1218, I am still very curious about one thing that I asked earlier.  Some time ago you vehemently insisted that you did NOT want to hear any more about HJ history.  Then today, you demanded to hear about HJ history.  If I had done that, I would have been accused of being classlessly bipolar.  How is it that(respectfully asked, of course) it seems to be ok in this instance? [/quote] I hate hearing about the history because people assume history must repeat itself no matter what... The part about wanting to hear some history was obviously a sarcastic remark  ;) You should know that [/quote] You mean YOU started a thread that was essentially calling me and Lazeek out?  How can this be?  That type of effort has already been declared to have less class than a dog.  This is so confusing.  Oh well, I guess the bottom line is I have to watch my "p's" and "q"s more than others.  Am doing my best to do that.  HJ sucks.  I think you and I ought to take it upon ourselves to have history classes eliminated at HJ and Nederland since history has no relevance and doesn't teach anything.

Dogs1218, I am still very curious about one thing that I asked earlier.  Some time ago you vehemently insisted that you did NOT want to hear any more about HJ history.  Then today, you demanded to hear about HJ history.  If I had done that, I would have been accused of being classlessly bipolar.  How is it that(respectfully asked, of course) it seems to be ok in this instance?

[quote name="dogs1218" post="955305" timestamp="1296081898"] [quote author=86hawk link=topic=79215.msg955154#msg955154 date=1296067389] C'mon dogs, we have already been thru all of this.  Each year the same thing is said "Cleveland will beat HJ"  and each year the outcome is the same.  I would like to play a new team in the playoffs.  It is getting old beating Cleveland and Navasota every year.  When we win district this year  :o, we will let Silsbee take on Cleveland.  i have said it before and will continue to say it, Cleveland is more athletic.  They lack discipline beat themselves every year. Maybe we can play Nederland in the playoff warm up game.  I wonder if Coach English would take that game?  It could be hard on a team to start the playoffs after a loss. [/quote] Well thats why the thread says, "Third Time the Charm"?  ;) Didnt happen the other years, but will happen this year (Of course if HJ gets there after Nash so graciously reminded me of the fact they wont make it that far) [/quote]  Well, I am biased toward HJ but also very naive when it comes to basketball.  I am still dumb enough to believe they have the potential to win a playoff game or two.  But, if they did, it would violate the "they can't beat a good team" rule(based upon the assumption that if you are in the playoffs, you are better than the majority of teams)  and I am trying to stay within the fairly established guidelines in a classy manner. I must admit that I am still struggling to accept the "HJ is not very good this year" rule, but if I hang in there long enough, maybe I will be able to better grasp that theory.  Once I do, I may just possbily be perceived as less arrogant and as having more class.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="955279" timestamp="1296079515"] I wanna pick Big Sandy because I don't wanna pick Evadale ;D [/quote] Looks like you have placed Evadale in the HJ category

[quote name="DTH" post="955167" timestamp="1296068928"] bird, mchale, and magic could not compete with today's athletes without such training nowadays.  Find someone that has strength and conditioning knowledge and let them develop the program if you do not have a person like that employed which most of us do not.  I have coached every sport except for volleyball and girls track. I have an idea. [/quote] And I am suggesting that the chances are more than good that the baseball coach can prescribe and supervise a weight program for his players that may be more conducive to success for the baseball team/player than the football weight regimen will.  I further suggest the same applies to the other sports unless the coaches are incompetent.  We should not assume, EVER, that the football coach knows more about ANYTHING except the game of football.  I disagree with your contention that "bird, mchale, magic couldnt compete nowadays."  If that is the case, you are also saying that Paul Pierce, Manu Ginobli, Richard Hamilton, Dirk Nowitzki, Steve Nash, and Pau Gasol(to name a few) also could not compete with todays "athletes"

[quote name="86hawk" post="955154" timestamp="1296067389"] C'mon dogs, we have already been thru all of this.  Each year the same thing is said "Cleveland will beat HJ"  and each year the outcome is the same.  I would like to play a new team in the playoffs.  It is getting old beating Cleveland and Navasota every year.  When we win district this year  :o, we will let Silsbee take on Cleveland.  i have said it before and will continue to say it, Cleveland is more athletic.  They lack discipline beat themselves every year. Maybe we can play Nederland in the playoff warm up game.  I wonder if Coach English would take that game?  It could be hard on a team to start the playoffs after a loss. [/quote] Can't you find a way to display some degree of confidence?

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="955108" timestamp="1296063667"] [quote author=cooligan link=topic=79207.msg955034#msg955034 date=1296057834] I'm not sure, but I believe K. Smith was from PA until HS. At any rate, the rest has been in NED for at least middle school on. I think what X is really wanting to say is a white player can't play basketball as good as a black. Therefore, starting next year English won't be as successful. At least that is how I interpret the racial comment.         [/quote]I didn't interpret it as a racial comment... [/quote] Is it possible that someone who alleges a comment to be racist is possibly the offender rather than the target of his allegation?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="955142" timestamp="1296066650"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=79300.msg955139#msg955139 date=1296066576] I would prefer that no HJ supporter make any blowout/mop the floor predictions for HJ.  A couple of other teams /individuals have found out that these predictions have a way of biting the predicted winner in the a$$. [/quote] :D :o [/quote] Dove- I ask you:  Was that commentary as "brilliant" as the weight lifting commentary?