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[quote name="hfmom08" post="953499" timestamp="1295822208"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=78903.msg953486#msg953486 date=1295821525] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=78903.msg953475#msg953475 date=1295820910] Here you go! Mr PHd. Dude what do you all day? Audit blog sites for spelling? We are so proud that you know how to pick thru blogs and discover misspelled words. When you happen to find one, do you A) Get a scoopy snack B) Clap your hands like a seal or C). Yell YATSI! [/quote] Nope-  I just try to be a thorn in the side of anyone who is trying to be a thorn in the side of well intentioned players, parents, coaches.  Can I conclude that your final word was intended to be Yahtzee? [/quote] Nash hopefully BS was trying to be a thorn in your side as well with all of that because his A) "scoopy snack" should actually be "scooby snack"  I think he got you!  :D [/quote] No doubt about it.

[quote name="dogs1218" post="953482" timestamp="1295821387"] Hey buddy.. listen.. I have had enough fun stirring the HJ pot and upsetting (I assume you are upset) the bright and all-knowing minds (for example SteveNash) on this forum.. You will hear no more from me until after the HJ vs Silsbee game  ;) Im too busy being jealous to comment any further and too unaccepting of the fact that HJ is and will always be great, with no down year in the playoffs ever.. [/quote] I guess that should be interpreted as a refusal to answer the question(s).  I have one more that you can refuse to answer as well.  Since it was not the HJ faithful on the board that trouble you but rather HJ supporters that you have had personal conversations with, how is it that an individual from Nederland has so many inter actions ( I KNOW you wouldn't draw your conclusion on just one or two conversations with strangers) with HJ people?  Do they just walk up to you and say "Our team is great and we enjoy being arrogant and we believe our team is ALWAYS the best"?  I know an individual from Nederland who bought a new car and never made the first payment on it and it was quickly picked up by the collection agency.  Would it be intelligent of me to draw conclusions on the entire town based on that particular incident?  I think not and neither do you.  Additionally, for a man who dislikes the "assumptions" of others, I am very surprised you would "assume" that someone is upset.  I can't blame you for not liking assumptions.  There was once a gentleman on here who "made the assumption" that Silsbee would mop the floor with HJ and the "additional assumption" that WOS athleticism would beat HJ.( oddly enought, making those statements was ok but reminding him that the statements were wrong was considered a reprehensible act)  As you have suggested, it is wise not to assume too much.  It is even wiser not to put those assumptions in writing.  

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="953475" timestamp="1295820910"] Here you go! Mr PHd. Dude what do you all day? Audit blog sites for spelling? We are so proud that you know how to pick thru blogs and discover misspelled words. When you happen to find one, do you A) Get a scoopy snack B) Clap your hands like a seal or C). Yell YATSI! [/quote] Nope-  I just try to be a thorn in the side of anyone who is trying to be a thorn in the side of well intentioned players, parents, coaches.  Can I conclude that your final word was intended to be Yahtzee?

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="953423" timestamp="1295814446"] Mommajuice you have a better chance of a African American head coach in Vidor than you do of HF winning district in basketball. Ill be honest with you dude. HF hasn't been relvant since Tillman left in like 83. [/quote] They may not have been "relvant" in the recent past, but it appears they are "relevant"(note the correct spelling) now.

[quote name="bmrm" post="953456" timestamp="1295819537"] [quote author=Two-Dogs... link=topic=79121.msg953269#msg953269 date=1295765000] I'm quickly becoming a HJ hater! Who cares?  [/quote] [/quote] You should care because HJ supporters show arrogance and over assume.  Now if you ask for specific examples, none seem to show up but you are supposed to accept that theory anyway.

[quote name="dogs1218" post="953376" timestamp="1295805614"] The people on this board arent really bad, but they have their moments.. My hate comes from other fans not on this board (people that I have chatted with in person, not from behind a computer  ;) ) Pride is one thing, and I understand that.. But "assuming" that it is the "HJ way" to be automatically placed among the elite, and to think the team deserves to always go to the tournament is what I dont like.. HJ's varsity this year isnt a great team.. Thats the point I have made.. Numbers dont lie, and HJ has 20+ wins.. which is no joke, and means something is going right over, but I dont like when people assume they are great, especially when they lose to the best teams on their schedule, and beat the ones they should win by 20 or more over.. But, there is one thing on this board that I used to really hate, but now I truely love.. And it SteveNash's "unmatched" use of vocabulary and diction in his responses..  :D [/quote] You still didnt answer the question.  Give me a couple examples of the "arrogance" or the "assumption" instead of just suggesting it.  Your inability to provide these suggests all of your contentions are "just feelings" instead of reality.  The Nederland folks might not think HJ has a great team, and that is fine.  Are the HJ faithful supposed to come on here and say "we don't have a great team"? I would think the Silsbee team(you know, the one that would mop the floor with HJ) thinks HJ is a fairly competitive team.   IF that is the case, what would make  your opinion more credible than that of the Silsbee fans, players, or coaches?

[quote name="whsalum" post="953371" timestamp="1295805285"] Come on folks if this is getting under your skin you gotta get a new hobby.Take it for what it is and that's just a light hearted jab between guys who don't know each other.If I had to finish the statement it would be ,Stevenash is "entitled to his opinion" No one else has to agree with it. [/quote] I certainly agree with that statement sir.  However, you must remember that logic is often abandoned in these exchanges.

[quote name="mammagotjuice" post="953364" timestamp="1295804326"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=78903.msg953320#msg953320 date=1295794888] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=78903.msg953250#msg953250 date=1295759456] [quote author=hfmom08 link=topic=78903.msg953018#msg953018 date=1295725603] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=78903.msg952991#msg952991 date=1295720247] I (hfmom) would be brave enough to say "If HF would stop coaching like it's Little Dribblers, we COULD handle Silsbee and anyone else in our district THIS YEAR" that's a more ignorant statement than the predictions made that silsbee would blow out HF.  you're going to brag about a loss against silsbee who was without probably their 2nd best player and their head coach?  they also surely overlooked you guys.  your coach also played not to get blown out, rather than to win (according to BD).  HF may have an outside chance at the playoffs but they're still looking at at LEAST 6 losses in district this year, maybe 7 or 8. [/quote] Ignorance - A state of being uninformed (lack of knowledge).  I have nothing to prove to you nor anyone else here but I would have to say you don't know me because I am not at all "uninformed" nor do I "lack knowledge" about the statement that I made and stand by.  Again I say, I'm not beating any chests nor am I bragging about a loss but it seems to me that you are making excuses (silsbee being without "probably" their 2nd best player and their head coach) as most people do after their predictions don't pan out.  Your statement sounds a little "ignorant" because if you have to say "probably" then I would think that is falls under uninformed/lack of knowledge.  If you're so sure of yourself then you would know whether or not whomever you refer to as being the 2nd best player is really the 2nd best player.  If you're going to quote BD then get it right...he stated "the HF staff played to lose and not make it a blowout".  HF staff needs to start "playing to WIN and not make it a blowout" and have confidence in the players they have.  I've been around these players much longer than the HF staff and I know (that's having knowledge) what talent HF has. [/quote] sorry i paraphrased that quote... quite ignorant of me to assume you'd understand.  and yes, i'll plead some ignorance as to the best players on silsbee's squad.  i know about them, but not well enough to say who's 2nd or 3rd best behind DC.   if i'm interpreting this statement correctly "I (hfmom) would be brave enough to say "If HF would stop coaching like it's Little Dribblers, we COULD handle Silsbee and anyone else in our district THIS YEAR" then you're saying essentially that HF would be at the top of this district with a different coaching staff.  you can say that that isn't an ignorant statement all you want, but you'd be wrong.  again, HF is certainly improved this year, but they're looking at 2 losses to silsbee, 2 to HJ, probably 2 to WOS, the loss you've already picked up against OF, and that's 7 if they win every other game.  [b]Young Mr. Hunter makes a difference, but he's not going to make that big of a difference just yet. [/b] [/quote] He did not make any difference Friday night. All he did was foul, fouling out at the end of the 3rd, with just 2 points, 1 assist. [/quote]Well..obviously this is personal. Now, after my investigation...the plan was for him not to have the ball. The plan was to have "Frenchie" handle the ball coming down the court-he's taller to see over the press..from what I was told. This is the ONLY game where J. Hunter has only scored 2pts and did not handle the ball! The ball was virtually designed to be out of his hands...believe me, I asked b/c I had never seen this b/4 in the 3 previous games. [b]Check the STATS Aggie [/b] since you have a [b]direct line [/b] to OUR books. Now if Aggie would give a little more media time to HF instead of running behind Silsbee all season, you would know first hand what he brings to this team in the 4 games he has played, not just from this one game. Now if you want a debate and possibly a fight about J. Hunter...then it's on! He works hard on the floor-100% constantly having to help out on defense when a man has been beaten. He is aggressive! Yes, I will not deny..he does foul....A LOT! So, Aggie, I invite you out more often and I surely invite you to OUR Stat Books and then maybe your reporting will be more crediable! [/quote]  Mamma- I wouldn't be too concerned with others appraisals of Mr. Hunter.  Our(those of us who post on here) opinions are certainly not professional ones, so they are obviously VERY INsignificant.  In the minds of some, they seem significant, but when the rubber meets the road, they are really of little value.  I get the feeling that Mr. Hunter will be just fine and will, like any other high school basketball player, experience his share of ups and downs.  Another way to view all of this is that when you start improving and are perceived by others as a potential threat, the "chatter" increases.  So you might want to consider basking in the chatter, if you know what I mean.

[quote name="dogs1218" post="953340" timestamp="1295800184"] :D I dont hate them because they win.. Dont start assuming that.. I dont like the arrogance [b]most[/b] HJ fans use when they win.. And I have noticed a big addition in my negative karma points ever since I started "Openly" talking about Hardin Jefferson on this public forum  ::) [/quote] May I respectfully ask that you provide one or two examples (comments on this board by HJ people) that displays the arrogance of HJ fans when they win?  If it is as rampant and obvious as you suggest, you should be able to come up with multiple examples.

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="953308" timestamp="1295793514"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=79121.msg953306#msg953306 date=1295792983] You are right about that.   I only have issues with those who proudly wear the "I hate HJ badge" and go out of their way to make sure it is seen/"heard". [/quote]Sometimes you gotta go with, "Live and let live". You ain't gonna change their mind.  And that wall begins to start hurting my head.  ;) [/quote] I agree with you again.  However, I see nothing wrong in responding to the haters when they practice hate.

Not sure statistics always show the value a player brings to a team.  In the WOS HJ game, Mr. Bosha and Mr. Sutherland did not make a single three but I would bet you a dollar to a dime that their presence contributed materially to the fact that Mr. Gustafson made 4.

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="953296" timestamp="1295790846"] Guys, you might as well accept it. Why do you think the Yankees are loathed by so many.... or the Cowboys...... or the Lakers.  Because they win. I went to Buna in the early 80's and played point guard and forward.  With 7 players suiting out, we could beat every team in our district.... literally run them into the ground.  Well, that is every team but Hardin Jefferson.  We'd hang for 3 quarters only to watch them kill us in the 4th when our legs ran out of gas. For that reason I hated Hardin Jefferson.  Oh, I liked the players (Martel, Hart, Batiste, Carrier, etc.), but I couldn't stand the basketball team.  I still get that bad feeling of dread when I see the red and blue run the floor today (their style has not changed since Breithhaupt (?) coached them 87 years ago!). So I understand why there are people who can't stand the program.  At least Bluedove is honest about it - he's envious.  ;) But on the flip side of the coin, not every person who roots for the other team can automatically be labeled an "HJ hater". [/quote] You are right about that.  I only have issues with those who proudly wear the "I hate HJ badge" and go out of their way to make sure it is seen/"heard".

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="953240" timestamp="1295756421"] Just for clarification, HJ has made the regional tourney 4 straight years, '07, '08, '09, '10, not 6 or 7. ;) [/quote] I stand corrected and retract my entire statement as only 4 years is insufficient data to support my contention.  I believe it is important to be as factual as possible and this was a glaring error.  I appreciate the fact that your statement was for clarification purposes only.  ;)

[quote name="UKCats" post="953278" timestamp="1295770688"] Great team, great Coach, often times lousy fans with very misplaced emotions. Sure they show up and cheer/ridicule the opposing team, but as far as they are concerned no one else in the state of Texas plays basketball. [/quote] You are so right.  Whatever gave the HJ fans the right to believe that they have a good team?  Whatever gave them the right to defend the team they support against ridicule from others?  Why should they believe that their team is competitive when "experts" have already informed them they have no chance?  Don't they understand that , to respond to criticism (possibly unwarranted) is inappropriate and unfair and gives the appearance that they think HJ is the only basketball program in the state?  Yes, there is no place for the misplaced emotions you so aptly described - especially when they are displayed only by HJ supporters while others display,( via non inflammatory commentary such as "I am an HJ hater" or " I will stop hating HJ if they beat Silsbee"), the purest form of  unbiased and objective commentary.  I don't know about you, but I am getting pretty tired of talking to HJ fans and hearing every one of them declare that no one else in the state of Texas plays basketball.  I think the solution to all of this is to belittle those fans and their team until they realize that their conduct/ behavior ( unlike any fans from any other teams)  will not be tolerated.  They need to learn that they don't know much about basketball and they should listen to those who do and they should never respond, in kind, to those who question them.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="953205" timestamp="1295751009"] HJ with old weak schedule  :D [/quote] Yep- been battling that for years.  It seems as though many know more about the scheduling process than the staff that puts the schedule together.  As I said in another post, the staff decided that getting to the regional final four for, I think, about the last 6 or seven years in a row, combined with two trips to Austin and one state championship has convinced the staff that they needn't take the advice of other experts regarding scheduling.  Based on their results, it would ALMOST seem like the self perceived "evaluators" might want to reassess their "evalutations", but probably not.  Al Gore still swears he won the election.

[quote name="mammagotjuice" post="953181" timestamp="1295746772"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=78903.msg953034#msg953034 date=1295727658] Congrats only if HF gets into the playoffs, nothing more and definitely nothing less. HF is still 1-2 in district. That's all that matters. [/quote]It has been called to my attention that a clarification needs to be made about my statements regarding subbing. First of all, making subs is not the primary problem...knowing when to make the appropriate subs is the criticism. So, to somehow misconstrue that into that I am bashing kids is foolish. On every team, everybody has a role....some primary some not. What's key is to realize that and make it work to your advantage. In critical moments...you have to know who your GO TO people are. If people are going to choose to be on this site....you have got to have tough skin and not take things so personal and wear it on your sleeve. Basketball is not for the faint at heart:) [/quote]    Momma, as your team goes forward and continues to improve, you will find a number of people who will resent that success and will find indirect ways to minimize it or make a negative of it.  After HJ came close to beating Silsbee on their home court and then last night beat WOS substantially on their home court, the subject has become how weak HJs schedule is.  If you win three or four in a row, you may be in for a lot of irrelevant comments that, simply stated, reflect veiled envy.  They will come from some who perceive themselves as more enlightened/knowledgeable, and objective.  I believe you are entitled to your opinion and some believe you are entitled to your opinioin ONLY if it is not in direct conflict with the enlightened.  Looks like the Horns have a chance at a playoff spot- a worthy accomplishment considering the circumstances.  Hope it happens for you.

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="953173" timestamp="1295745328"] HJ record vs classification not including district: 5A          0-0 4A          8-3 (Beat Calhoun twice, Greg-Port., Dayton, Lumberton, LCM, Corsicana, Kingsville, Lost to                              Nederland, Central and LCM) 3A          2-0 (Lufkin Hudson and Aransas Pass) 2A          8-0 (Beat NW, Kountze, Hitchcock, Anahuac, Luling, EC twice and Tatum) 1A          2-1 (Beat Evadale and Cayuga by 19, lost to Cayuga by 1) Private    2-0 (Kelly and Legacy) 11 games in 4A and 15 in 3A and lower.  And I can promise each and every team that HJ played in 3A or lower will make the playoffs with the exception of maybe Luling. Hardly and weak schedule. ::) ::) ::) ::) [/quote] Lazeek- The "weak schedule" issue is discussed routinely every year but I think HJ has decided if they can get to the final four in the regionals for many consecutive years, throw in a couple of trips to Austin plus a championship, they should probably do it "their way" instead of trying to satisfy the "schedule requirements" of someone else.  I am not 100% sure of this. but I am guessing that is as good as anybody else from this area has done even though discussing history is unacceptable to some.

[quote name="dogs1218" post="953147" timestamp="1295740479"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=79121.msg953070#msg953070 date=1295732254] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=79121.msg953058#msg953058 date=1295731240] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=79121.msg953049#msg953049 date=1295729594] [quote author=Tiger05 link=topic=79121.msg952910#msg952910 date=1295708927] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=79121.msg952831#msg952831 date=1295675428] [quote author=86hawk link=topic=79121.msg952825#msg952825 date=1295674805] Fans like Nash are probably a reason why some don't like HJ.  I made the prediction, as did other HJ followers, that Silsbee would beat HJ. So what? I am inclined to think that if WOS pulled off the upset tonight, Dog would have better class. [/quote] [size=12pt][b]To be honest, it is people like Nash that really make others not want to like HJ[/b][/size]..  ;) I thought that WOS would come out fired and up and be running and gunning on HJ.. Obviously I was wrong, and it looks like HJ played with alot of emotion after the loss to Silsbee and maybe had something to prove about their team.. Sometimes you pick right.. and sometimes you dont.. [/quote] Agree 100%  ;D [/quote]Of course, the fact that HJ keeps rolling along may also contribute to this feeling, eh?  ;) [/quote] [b]Playing those kinds of teams?[/b]  ::) They are just "rolling along", hitting the the occasional Silsbee speed bump along the way, or any other legit team they play (like earlier before district)  :D [/quote] Wait you picked one of "THOSE KINDS OF TEAMS" to beat HJ last night in WOS.......and how did that turn out???? Listen the district that Nederland is in is not that much better.  Nederland is the cream of the crop this year and Ozen (down year), Central, LCM and then 4 teams that are pathetic at best in Livingston, Vidor, PNG and Lumberton.  So don't talk about competition!!!!! [/quote] I didnt say WOS was one of those teams..  ??? I said they are good 11-12 team and dont take them lightly.. I know Nederland is on top right now, but go look where they played before District.. Has HJ played in an actual tournament to challenge them? Why doesnt HJ go to the YMBL? How about take on some 4A and 5A teams? I agree that we dont play in a top-to-bottom stacked district, but Ned challenged itself before district to better themselves.. HJ record is sky high now because they hit the soft part of their schedule. What was going on earlier this season? Want to still say it wasw injuries? Or key people not back yet for some reason? They lost because those teams were better and out-played them, but since they are rolling in district, no HJ person wants to remember that. Same can be said about Nederland. They lost quite their games because the other team outplayed them and a few times because Nederland blew the lead. I wont comment anymore about HJ if they beat Silsbee. I promise on that one.  ;) [/quote]  I have to respond guardedly so  it will not be considered classless to question an HJ detractor.(if you are a detractor, anything goes, but if you question the detractor, its unfair)  Other than during the first couple games of the season, when was it that HJs record wasn't a good one?  Silly me- I was thinking that the performances against WOS and Silsbee (both in opponents gym) was an indicator that HJ had become a pretty good team this year in spite of their "weak" schedule.  Makes me long for the good ole days.

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="953070" timestamp="1295732254"] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=79121.msg953058#msg953058 date=1295731240] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=79121.msg953049#msg953049 date=1295729594] [quote author=Tiger05 link=topic=79121.msg952910#msg952910 date=1295708927] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=79121.msg952831#msg952831 date=1295675428] [quote author=86hawk link=topic=79121.msg952825#msg952825 date=1295674805] Fans like Nash are probably a reason why some don't like HJ.  I made the prediction, as did other HJ followers, that Silsbee would beat HJ. So what? I am inclined to think that if WOS pulled off the upset tonight, Dog would have better class. [/quote] [size=12pt][b]To be honest, it is people like Nash that really make others not want to like HJ[/b][/size]..  ;) I thought that WOS would come out fired and up and be running and gunning on HJ.. Obviously I was wrong, and it looks like HJ played with alot of emotion after the loss to Silsbee and maybe had something to prove about their team.. Sometimes you pick right.. and sometimes you dont.. [/quote] Agree 100%  ;D [/quote]Of course, the fact that HJ keeps rolling along may also contribute to this feeling, eh?  ;) [/quote] [b]Playing those kinds of teams?[/b]  ::) They are just "rolling along", hitting the the occasional Silsbee speed bump along the way, or any other legit team they play (like earlier before district)  :D [/quote] Wait you picked one of "THOSE KINDS OF TEAMS" to beat HJ last night in WOS.......and how did that turn out???? Listen the district that Nederland is in is not that much better.  Nederland is the cream of the crop this year and Ozen (down year), Central, LCM and then 4 teams that are pathetic at best in Livingston, Vidor, PNG and Lumberton.  So don't talk about competition!!!!! [/quote] Lazeek- Pretty classless comment

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="953034" timestamp="1295727658"] Congrats only if HF gets into the playoffs, nothing more and definitely nothing less. HF is still o-3 in district. That's all that matters. [/quote] They will get there, Dove if you can somehow convince the "powers that be" that having a basketball player lift on game day will not change the win-loss column for that other sport next fall.

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="952976" timestamp="1295718038"] Was not expecting this outcome...........really thought that the Bobcats would roll in this one. Must be something in the water in this entire district about getting up for big games and not getting up for teams that you should beat!!!!! [/quote] It would appear that every game is a big game from here forward.

I believe there is not near as much difference between all of the teams as first assumed.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="952906" timestamp="1295708190"] My whole arguement was starting a new thread calling out the individual. It was totally unnecessary. HFmom kept the talk within the original thread. She didn't start a thread calling out the naysayers like you did, nash. I don't have a problem with what she posted and I would not have had a problem had you kept it within the original prediction threads. I think starting another thread calling out a certain individual is not right. My opinion. [/quote] I fully understand your point and it has  a lot of validity.  Is it safe to assume that you will offer the same vigilance for the next swag and/or Dickie v?  Seems to me that they "got by" with considerably more than reminding somebody they had miscalculated.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="952921" timestamp="1295710170"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=78903.msg952915#msg952915 date=1295709409] Gee- it seems as though you can decide when I am being sarcastic but the opposite it not true.  I don't understand that. [/quote] That makes two of us. We'll just keep guessing. ;) [/quote]  Thats all one can do. 

Gee- it seems as though you can decide when I am being sarcastic but the opposite it not true.  I don't understand that.