stevenash

Many congratulations for the Tigers in 2011 and the Longhorns in 2012.

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="940528" timestamp="1293857464"] HJ fans are very arrogant! Its not a myth. You have your 3 state titles and you swear that makes yall the KING of SETX! AAW, you are a middle man in this but HJ fans do have a sense of arrogants about them. Maybe not all but MOST. You can say Badsanta ur full of crap or whatever. Yall know I'm right so screw it. I guess if Silsbee had 3 titles every 20 yrs we would act the same way. We have ZERO still a work in process. I can say this, we will get one this year. Put your old pick up truck on that! [/quote] When you can spell and comprehend "arrogants" (  more commonly known as arrogance) then perhaps your "wisdom" will be given more credibility.  The three titles to which you enviously refer are often viewed as a sort of documentation of the competence of a program.  Eye gess sum beeleeve arrogants is urned.

[quote name="east texas bb" post="940515" timestamp="1293855415"] The claim was Silsbee was a better basketball team by 15-20 points.  Then people were saying that HJ would still find a way to win.  What else can you get from those two statements.  That is the writing that is on the wall, I am just reading it.  If HJ still wins and Silsbee's team is a 15-20 point better team then would their coaches not be 15-20 points better?  That is simple logic. [/quote] Bottom line:  None of us, individually or collectively, is smart enough to quantify the difference between two teams.  The "15-20 pt difference " talk is simply that, talk.  My guess would be that, most of the time,  Silsbee will have the edge in athleticism and depth, and HJ will have the same from a basketball intellect standpoint( I am speaking of players as opposed to coaches)  Teams that have done as well as both of these teams are bound to have competent coaching staffs to get as far as they do on a consistent basis.  There is no way to "prove" that Mack Brown is a better coach than Bob Stoops or vice versa.

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="940513" timestamp="1293855009"] [quote author=east texas bb link=topic=78065.msg940500#msg940500 date=1293853421] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=78065.msg940473#msg940473 date=1293848356] [quote author=east texas bb link=topic=78065.msg940470#msg940470 date=1293847721] And what do you consider an athlete?  Someone that is quick and fast and that can jump high?  There are way more attributes of athletic ability than those describes above.  Putting a ball in a basket from 21 feet away with defense on you has to be hard, hitting a 85-90 mph fastball can be a very hard thing to do, making a pass between two people on the run for a layup and balance and hand eye coordination can be athletic charcteristics. I guess I am the devils advocate, but I am trying to get to the root of the reason why everyone thinks HJ can play with Silsbee if they are 15-20 points better. [/quote]It's pure and simple.  As it has been said before, when HJ jogs out on the court, they don't look like they can hang with Silsbee.  It's been like that for the last 4 (or so) years.  In the play-offs, its no different.  Navasota and Cleveland look like they can mop the floor with our players, but they end up driving home to sit the rest of the year off. I understand but that is a kid talking, I would hope that we would be a better judge than them.  All most kids see is if a team is athletic looking and this determines what they think.  Adults that understand basketball should be able to recognize whether a team is good or not, so in all I have gathered the Hj coaches are 15-20 point better coaches than Silsbee's coaches or the team from Dallas just dosent understand basketball.  Then why dont the coaches at HJ apply at Silsbee and they can go to state for sure every year.  I understand this is all talking but either HJ can beat Silsbee or Silsbee can beat HJ. Everyone is saying that Silsbee is a better team somewhere in the range of 15-20 points.    There was a funny incident at the East Chambers tournament three years ago that seems to illustrate my point.  At the beginning of the game, HJ was at the free throw line shooting two.  One of the players from a Dallas school (couldn't remember the name) asked one of the HJ players "aren't you guys ranked 3rd in state?".  The Hawks replied that yes they were.  Looking at the players for HJ and at the bench, the Dallas player asked, "Are you guys missing some players for today's game?"  The Hawk just replied and said, "Nope".  HJ ended up winning 109-29!!! [/quote] I understand but that is a kid talking, I would hope that we would be a better judge than them.  All most kids see is if a team is athletic looking and this determines what they think.  Adults that understand basketball should be able to recognize whether a team is good or not, so in all I have gathered the Hj coaches are 15-20 point better coaches than Silsbee's coaches or the team from Dallas just dosent understand basketball.  Then why dont the coaches at HJ apply at Silsbee and they can go to state for sure every year.  I understand this is all talking but either HJ can beat Silsbee or Silsbee can beat HJ. Everyone is saying that Silsbee is a better team somewhere in the range of 15-20 points. We will just see what the scores turn out to be. [/quote]I'm curious, who has made the claim that the HJ coaches are 15-20 points better than the Silsbee coaches?  I thought that you asked does HJ have any edge, and the claim was made that the HJ coaches are better.  Should anyone be castigated for having an opinion?  Wow! Having a favorable/supportive opinion of HJ is, somehow, overtly. arrogant.  At the same time, if you come on this board and bash HJ supporters, you will be congratulated for your "passion" about basketball.

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="940411" timestamp="1293839064"] Little Enos it sounds like your a HJ jock holder. They play twice this year. I hope you attend both games.Silsbee has a great staff. Even when they had Sigler, Brooks, and Burris. [/quote] Hmmm, Let me see.  If Enos is HJ jockholder, wouldnt that make you a full fledged Tiger jock holder?

[quote name="east texas bb" post="940394" timestamp="1293834431"] What thoughts do you have that make the HJ staff better or more competent than the Sislbee staff?  Just curious.  Explain in detail where they are better at.   2 or 3 examples. [/quote] That stuff is all very subjective and impossible to prove/document.  Very difficult to quantify.  If you take Roy Williams, Coach K, Rick Pitino, and Jim Boeheim, I would guess you could make a good case that any one of them is the better coach but it would still be just a single opinion.

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="940329" timestamp="1293825459"] Did someone just say HJ has a better coaching staff than Silsbee? [/quote] No, you did not hear that.  All of the HJ faithful DO NOT think much of their coaching staff.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="940300" timestamp="1293820945"] But why not state that both teams get the majority of their points off defensive pressure rather than just saying Silsbee? [/quote] Maybe his perception was that Silsbee got a larger percentage of their points off defensive pressure than HJ.  Not that he is necessarily correct, but he is certainly more than entitled to his own thought on that.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="940295" timestamp="1293820442"] From all the HJ games I have seen this year, the Hawks get a ton of points off defensive pressure as well. Personally, I like Silsbee's halfcourt game over HJ's. [/quote] Is there any part of Silsbees game that you dont like over HJs?

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="940274" timestamp="1293817237"] I'm more than sure DC will play. Silsbee by 8 tonight. WB has lost 3 straight games. [/quote] Will Travis be there for this one?

[quote name="Scalabrine" post="940273" timestamp="1293817089"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=76916.msg940267#msg940267 date=1293816377] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg940263#msg940263 date=1293815789] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=76916.msg940259#msg940259 date=1293815514] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg940255#msg940255 date=1293814881] Can u just post his numbers please? [/quote] If you are talking to me, cant help you.  I have seen most of his games but I sure dont know his "numbers" [/quote]Whatever. Stats is what you do, its what u love to do...lol [/quote] If you believe that "stats is what I do" then you truly have no idea whom you are conversing with. [/quote]Sure I do,"Mr. Cornucopia"  ;) ; :o [/quote]  Excuse me, but the Cornucopia stuff came from your camp.  I merely responded.

[quote name="Scalabrine" post="940263" timestamp="1293815789"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=76916.msg940259#msg940259 date=1293815514] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg940255#msg940255 date=1293814881] Can u just post his numbers please? [/quote] If you are talking to me, cant help you.  I have seen most of his games but I sure dont know his "numbers" [/quote]Whatever. Stats is what you do, its what u love to do...lol [/quote] If you believe that "stats is what I do" then you truly have no idea whom you are conversing with.

[quote name="Scalabrine" post="940255" timestamp="1293814881"] Can u just post his numbers please? [/quote] If you are talking to me, cant help you.  I have seen most of his games but I sure dont know his "numbers"

[quote name="Scalabrine" post="940251" timestamp="1293814189"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=76916.msg940216#msg940216 date=1293807723] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg940213#msg940213 date=1293807195] Just want you "who I knew would respond " to let everyone know ;D [/quote] But I didn't make that last remark.  It must have been by somebody else from "my camp" [/quote]Im sure someone in the "91 camp" can answer this for me... [/quote] I didnt know there was a 91 camp posting here

[quote name="tigersvoice" post="940229" timestamp="1293809824"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=78065.msg940202#msg940202 date=1293805024] [quote author=PoppaBearstarr link=topic=78065.msg940161#msg940161 date=1293774275] That is exactly what I meant....just like we always do ;) [/quote] HJ will lose to Silsbee by 25 at home and by 35 at Silsbee.  Please, it is so very well established that HJ should not even get on the floor for these games. [/quote] Thanks, Nash.  Do you have the authority to forfeit the HJ games to Silsbee?  If so, please do.  It will save the time and money involved in playing these games and also could prevent any injuries.  Just do the manly thing and forfeit. ::) [/quote]  I think you have a good idea there.  Let me consult with Bluedove and, if he concurs, will do all in my power to "get her done" in spite of the family unrest it may create.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="940225" timestamp="1293809174"] Nash, when have you ever made a comment on this board that wasn't sarcastic? I just figured that was how you spoke all the time. Took that as you speaking the truth, in your special way. ;) [/quote] Obivously I am a die hard HJ fan.  Although you can never tell about a basketball game, I am thinking that HJ has a better chance than many posters here do.  On paper, its no contest- Silsbee all the way.  But on the court, with intangibles, I believe Hj will be able to compete quite well and hope I dont have to eat my words.  My comments were an obvious barb at some who have said it will be no contest.

[quote name="Scalabrine" post="940211" timestamp="1293807014"] Pg #5 "Gus" Hj Sg "LANE, Sutherland, or Bosha" SF "Prudohmme" Hj PF "STALLWORTH" Silsbee C "KID FROM H.F" [/quote] Pretty good list there.  Can you believe that, at this time last year, somebody was on this board suggesting that Gus couldnt play and would lead the district in turnovers?  I wonder what ever happened to that individual?

[quote name="Scalabrine" post="940213" timestamp="1293807195"] Just want you "who I knew would respond " to let everyone know ;D [/quote] But I didn't make that last remark.  It must have been by somebody else from "my camp"

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="940214" timestamp="1293807325"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=78065.msg940208#msg940208 date=1293806287] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=78065.msg940206#msg940206 date=1293805487] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=78065.msg940202#msg940202 date=1293805024] [quote author=PoppaBearstarr link=topic=78065.msg940161#msg940161 date=1293774275] That is exactly what I meant....just like we always do ;) [/quote] HJ will lose to Silsbee by 25 at home and by 35 at Silsbee.  Please, it is so very well established that HJ should not even get on the floor for these games. [/quote]I wish you really thought this way. But Silsbee see thru this mockery 8) [/quote] I am merely stating the [b]consensus opinion[/b] of this board.  Certainly, Silsbee sees through it and that is just another reason why HJ cant get an edge and hasn't a prayer. [/quote] A consensus?? When did 2-3 people make the entire board a consensus? BTW, the "woe is me" talk is getting pretty lame. ::) [/quote]  Permit me to suggest that you take a recount.  I believe you will find considerably more than 2 or 3.  It is important that one be able to distinguish between sarcasm and real beliefs.  Some believe that the best way to illustrate absurdity is by being absurd.

[quote name="Scalabrine" post="940209" timestamp="1293806584"] What are Bosha numbers thus far into the season? [/quote] Why do I have the feeling you already have the answer(s) to that question?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="940206" timestamp="1293805487"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=78065.msg940202#msg940202 date=1293805024] [quote author=PoppaBearstarr link=topic=78065.msg940161#msg940161 date=1293774275] That is exactly what I meant....just like we always do ;) [/quote] HJ will lose to Silsbee by 25 at home and by 35 at Silsbee.  Please, it is so very well established that HJ should not even get on the floor for these games. [/quote]I wish you really thought this way. But Silsbee see thru this mockery 8) [/quote] I am merely stating the consensus opinion of this board.  Certainly, Silsbee sees through it and that is just another reason why HJ cant get an edge and hasn't a prayer.

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="940161" timestamp="1293774275"] That is exactly what I meant....just like we always do ;) [/quote] HJ will lose to Silsbee by 25 at home and by 35 at Silsbee.  Please, it is so very well established that HJ should not even get on the floor for these games.

[quote name="no-look" post="940076" timestamp="1293763877"] Not an Austin moment but the Jasper-Huntington district series in 2005 or 2006.....Clay Davis was at Jasper and Leland Hand was at Huntington...Game 1 we lost over there in three overtimes....game 2 we won at home it was four or five overtimes....I think it was eleven overtimes in a four game series....those were nail biting, high energy games. Game 1, Jasper made two free throws with no time left on clock to send it to OT. End of first OT Huntington hit a half court shot to send it to another OT. If I remember right, Huntington hit another half court shot to send it to the third OT............If it hadn't been for the refs we would have won it in reg...   ;D [/quote] And some will say if it hadnt been for the Gestapo, Jtown would have won.  I am pretty sure that Hand made a hole in the floor from  stomping his feet so much. 

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="940047" timestamp="1293761583"] [quote author=speechless link=topic=78099.msg940045#msg940045 date=1293761537] swaggum or badsantaland? [/quote] What's the difference? [/quote] One has a four year plan

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="939998" timestamp="1293755999"] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=78053.msg939992#msg939992 date=1293755230] [quote author=cbosha link=topic=78053.msg939699#msg939699 date=1293685005] Um,hmmm.... seems to me bullet 23, that the only logical way to regain your strength is to stop reading about HJ. [/quote] if this is directed at me, then you clearly missed the sarcasm in my post.  i'm an HJ alum and huge fan.  i was just rubbing it in a little to all of the naysayers who've been talking all year about how "down" HJ was going to be this year, and yet they still win game after game. [/quote]Surely there is a team who can step up and keep these people quiet for about 4 years. :D [/quote] I think the 2012 State Champs are just the perfect for that job if they can manage to not be too busy lifting.