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[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="928021" timestamp="1291739741"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=77127.msg928010#msg928010 date=1291738013] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=77127.msg927997#msg927997 date=1291737500] I would like to go on record to also say that H-J will not beat Silsbee... [/quote] I think there is a very good chance that your predicition is correct.  I would like to ask you, though, that if by some quirk or coincidence that the impossible (HJ beating Silsbee) were to take place, will your post and the first response to it still be here on the board or will they magically disappear? [/quote] Why drag my post into this? I think my post reflects the fact that I will not say what Soulja has stated. Seen too many HJ/Silsbee games for me to be that confident. The "impossible"? And I thought you had the pulse of the HJ basketball program. ;) [/quote] My apologies.  Speaking of "dragging things in"- wouldnt this sort of be comparable to when ETBB asked me a question about my identity and you immediately responded in an unsolicited fashion?  I am reasonably aware of what the HJ program can and can't do.  Personally, its way to soon to make any judgements and that is the real point I was making in my comment.  I was asking if he would be willing to stand behind his statement if he was proven wrong.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="928040" timestamp="1291741676"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=77127.msg928010#msg928010 date=1291738013] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=77127.msg927997#msg927997 date=1291737500] I would like to go on record to also say that H-J will not beat Silsbee... [/quote] I think there is a very good chance that your predicition is correct.  I would like to ask you, though, that if by some quirk or coincidence that the impossible (HJ beating Silsbee) were to take place, will your post and the first response to it still be here on the board or will they magically disappear? [/quote]Now why the heck would I do that?  You must have me mistaken for somebody else or something... [/quote]  I dont know why that would happen- just thought I would ask

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="927997" timestamp="1291737500"] I would like to go on record to also say that H-J will not beat Silsbee... [/quote] I think there is a very good chance that your predicition is correct.  I would like to ask you, though, that if by some quirk or coincidence that the impossible (HJ beating Silsbee) were to take place, will your post and the first response to it still be here on the board or will they magically disappear?

[quote name="no-look" post="927933" timestamp="1291728610"] [quote author=KHSAlum400 link=topic=77122.msg927613#msg927613 date=1291670567] Can't help but get amped up about the pre-season matchup between 2A #2 Crockett and Kountze on Thursday! [/quote]Should be a good game.....Crockett's #50 (Anatonio Chimney) is a beast down low....Crockett plays up tempo. [/quote] Has Crockett, or will Crockett encounter the wrath of the Gestapo this year?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="927905" timestamp="1291704420"] [quote author=jesusfreak link=topic=77127.msg927852#msg927852 date=1291692948] [size=10pt][b]BLUEDOVE3 Quotes:[/b] :D :D :D "[i]This will be an easy game for HJ. It's in the bag; a done deal. LC-M? Please! They better not step out on the same court with HJ.[/i]" "[i]LC-M is an easy game. LC-M will not be ready for this game.[/i]"[/size] Congrats to Coach Harley and the bears... very hard fought game. [/quote]Huh? I was rooting for you guys all the way. Reverse strategy baby! I know LC-M peeps read these posts. Way to go LC-M.  :D [/quote]  How convenient.  If HJ wins, you can say " I told you so".  If HJ loses, you can claim reverse strategy.  Sounds like an experienced political strategist to me.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="927904" timestamp="1291703972"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=76953.msg927857#msg927857 date=1291694141] [quote author=east texas bb link=topic=76953.msg927690#msg927690 date=1291680617] Congrats Hj, looks like yall have a very good team and alot of youth as well.  Future looks good for yall.  The coaches and parents must have a hand in the player development of these kids from 1st up.  Thats how you do it.  Good luck the rest of the year. [/quote] HJ has tons of success because they have a great Little Dribblers program......Twin County Little Dribblers!!!!!  Kids start playing at 4 years old!!!! [/quote]So? HF kids began @ Primaries too ;) We whipped your 8th grade so bad last year, I thought yall were going to discontinue the LD program out there :o [/quote]  Dove will be talking about that Junior High Success when his junior high children have children playing

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="927584" timestamp="1291668675"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=77007.msg927580#msg927580 date=1291668444] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=77007.msg927393#msg927393 date=1291647646] Guys! First of all, we can't continue to try and interchange NBA players and their style against high school players in this area. Some weeks ago, many of us agreed that the talent pool in high school for this area is far below the previous talent pool to come out of SETex. Bird was a player maker, more like todays point forwards. I've been limited to seeing high school play in this area but I am going to assume that you may have 10 or less [color=red]impact [/color] players in this area. I thought the original questioning was about high school players. Futhermore, I'm not comparing no players to Larry BIRD, AI, Rondo, etc. because the majority of these kids today treat my game like a hobby. They don't know any history of the game, can't dribble, can't shoot, and keep tripping over their own feet. Bird didn't have a X-Box. [/quote] Just like the creators are when they turn the ball over. ;D Does your next to last sentence accurately describe your personal perception of a "spot up shooter"? [/quote]Stevie, remind me to not send you a Thanksgiving pie to your family next year. Always trying to twist stuff ;) I have much respect for spot-up shooters, but they are boring as heck when they are off. [/quote]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="927589" timestamp="1291669381"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=77092.msg927531#msg927531 date=1291664568] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=77092.msg927510#msg927510 date=1291661812] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=77092.msg927504#msg927504 date=1291660394] Yes Dove......Saveat and Boutte had each been contacted.  HJ tried to get Ozen in a warmup game in 2007 and Ozen said no!!! [/quote]Show me a contract. I don't believe you! [/quote] Excuse me, Dove, but I would like to ask you a question.  When is the last time you saw a contract between two parties that could NOT agree on an obligation? [/quote]All the time. It's called lying [/quote] So you want to see some sort of signed document that basically says, "I, the coach of Ozen High School Boys Basketball team, do hereby officially refuse to play Hardin Jefferson for the sole purpose of documenting this fact to anyone who is interested"? Contracts typically reflect agreements in principle as opposed to disagreements.

Thursday:                           GYM 1 GYM 2_________________ 9:30        Legacy v. LC-M Anahuac v. Tatum 11:00      Barbers Hill v. Krum Crockett v. Kountze 12:30      East Chambers v. Aransas Pass Lumberton v. Bullard 2:00        Hardin-Jefferson v. Dayton Evadale v. Cayuga 3:30     LC-M v. Anahuac Tatum v. Legacy 5:00     Kountze v. Barbers Hill Krum v. Crockett 6:30     Bullard v. East Chambers Aransas Pass v. Lumberton 8:00     Cayuga v. Hardin-Jefferson Dayton v. Evadale

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="927588" timestamp="1291669249"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=77008.msg927534#msg927534 date=1291664656] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=77008.msg927509#msg927509 date=1291661724] [quote author=Loudmouth link=topic=77008.msg927508#msg927508 date=1291661448] No miracles, just hard work and the kids being on the same page.  Execution is better and playing defense.  Things are starting to gel. [/quote]Hmm? I don't think I've ever read or heard anything about your high school basketball program, other than Little Dribblers. [/quote] How many "shot generators" do you think they have? [/quote]Guessing, I would say a minimum of four. [/quote] ;D

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="927393" timestamp="1291647646"] Guys! First of all, we can't continue to try and interchange NBA players and their style against high school players in this area. Some weeks ago, many of us agreed that the talent pool in high school for this area is far below the previous talent pool to come out of SETex. Bird was a player maker, more like todays point forwards. I've been limited to seeing high school play in this area but I am going to assume that you may have 10 or less [color=red]impact [/color] players in this area. I thought the original questioning was about high school players. Futhermore, I'm not comparing no players to Larry BIRD, AI, Rondo, etc. because the majority of these kids today treat my game like a hobby. They don't know any history of the game, can't dribble, can't shoot, and keep tripping over their own feet. Bird didn't have a X-Box. [/quote] Does your next to last sentence accurately describe your personal perception of a "spot up shooter"?

[quote name="football" post="927487" timestamp="1291658959"] How many positions in bb.  How many do you work with at one time.  Both sports are great so we need to quit comparing this.  IMO, this is like the prop 48 quest for NCAA.  Even # scholarships - which girls sport needs over 50 participants to be successful.  [/quote] Then are you saying that the status quo is acceptable?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="927509" timestamp="1291661724"] [quote author=Loudmouth link=topic=77008.msg927508#msg927508 date=1291661448] No miracles, just hard work and the kids being on the same page.  Execution is better and playing defense.  Things are starting to gel. [/quote]Hmm? I don't think I've ever read or heard anything about your high school basketball program, other than Little Dribblers. [/quote] How many "shot generators" do you think they have?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="927510" timestamp="1291661812"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=77092.msg927504#msg927504 date=1291660394] Yes Dove......Saveat and Boutte had each been contacted.  HJ tried to get Ozen in a warmup game in 2007 and Ozen said no!!! [/quote]Show me a contract. I don't believe you! [/quote] Excuse me, Dove, but I would like to ask you a question.  When is the last time you saw a contract between two parties that could NOT agree on an obligation?

[quote name="FlexD33" post="927415" timestamp="1291650393"] are all three teams playing or just varsity? HJ-68 LCM-52 [/quote] All three

[quote name="LT Dan" post="927295" timestamp="1291607737"] come on, you're killin us! [/quote] ;D

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="927177" timestamp="1291598345"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=77007.msg927175#msg927175 date=1291598293] [quote author=speechless link=topic=77007.msg927168#msg927168 date=1291598045] if Nate would flourish in other places explain what happened in New York and why they were so willing to let him go for someone (eddie house) who they ended up letting go a year later? [/quote] [b]Management in New York and Boston are unknowledgeable and incompetent.[/b][/quote] I agree. [/quote]  Could one then conclude if management is incompetent at the upper level such as in Boston, then it follows that management would be only equal or worse at the less successful franchises?

[quote name="speechless" post="927168" timestamp="1291598045"] if Nate would flourish in other places explain what happened in New York and why they were so willing to let him go for someone (eddie house) who they ended up letting go a year later? [/quote] Management in New York and Boston are unknowledgeable and incompetent.

[quote name="east texas bb" post="927036" timestamp="1291592995"] Exactly, that is what made him a playmaker.  He could shoot and dribble and pass.  Not just shoot.  Good post. [/quote] Bosha can do same.

[quote name="Aces_Full" post="926950" timestamp="1291588772"] How would I get the ball up the court?  I guess the old fashioned way, good passing and execution.  Some people on this board seem to think "spot up" shooter means you can't dribble, pass, run an offense, or play defense.  You don't have to be Allen Iverson to get the ball up the court against pressure, just have to be able to protect the basketball and attack what is given.  Larry Bird was slower than Christmas and couldn't jump over a nickel, but he could create for others because he could read defenders and defenses, and knew how to attack them.  Oh and he was also the greatest "spot up" shooter of all time.   ;) [/quote] He also made a lot of drives to the basket because the "quicker" guy had to guard him so close so as to prevent the field goal attempt.  Looks to me like being a great shooter, in  effect, makes it possible for you to create your own alternative shot.

[quote name="dogs1218" post="926862" timestamp="1291583282"] I wasnt trying to be mean  :D Just understand the difference between "Making" a shot and "Shooting" a shot..  ;D Don't think there is any argument there.. Relax both of you. The fact is you need both on a team to be successful. period. [/quote] You hit the nail on the head with that statement.  Both styles very complimentary of each other and the presence of each makes the other more effective.

[quote name="dogs1218" post="926837" timestamp="1291581058"] [quote author=east texas bb link=topic=77007.msg926834#msg926834 date=1291580568] Aces Full, how would you get the ball down the court with 5 spot up shooters?  And who would get the ball to them if they got in the halfcourt? I love shooters, I was a shooter when I played, but I think you are misunderstanding (or maybe it was defined clearly enough) the definition of a playmaker.  To me a playmaker is a player who can shoot, create his own shot, and create shots for others.   A spot up shooter to me has to rely on someone to get them their shot whereas a playmaker is a player who can do it all.  Michael Jordan is the best example I can give.  [/quote] I think you missed the quotations around AcesFull's "shotmakers".. No one can argue against him on that point. Sorry  ;D [/quote]  It is also a poor assumption that just because you are a good spot up shooter that you dont have the ability to dribble the ball or make a good pass (which moves more quickly that ANY player).  Many of the "good shooters" are considerably more cerebral than the playmakers and make up for some of their athletic shortcomings with superior basketball intellect.

By the stats you posted they would be the same in all catagories except points and assists.  Rondo would lead in assists and Nate in points. And any coach knows stats only tell so much. There are too many intangibles in basketball.  But that brings us to what the Celtics need, because they already have plenty of playmakers.  They dont need another one out there it would only take away from the better players.  The way the Celtics have there team organized is the best for them to win, that is why Rondo plays more and Nate dosent.  Nate plays the perfect backup role on this team, he can come in with high energy when they need it and produce points quickly if they are in a slump.  If you were coaching the Celtics wouldnt you do the same.  Well it sounds like the other guy on the other board, you heard about because Nate and Rondo come up in casual converation so much, and me would agree.  You are exactly right, they DID pay Bosh alot of money for being average, and regretting it, and if you read alot you will hear other people are saying the same thing. And the 1/2 and 1/2, that is why I said everyone has an opinion, I wasnt saying you couldnt have yours. That is awesome that Rondo got All Star status. That makes him in the eyes of the people of America one of the top guards in the league and I will add it didnt hurt that he had high assists stats because of the team he is on.  But anyway, he made it, so I wont argue that.  And your last statement is the premise to our entire conversation, I am not argueing that the Celtics have a great combination and that is what makes them good.  I am saying for hopefully the last time, that a person who makes plays is more valuable than a spot up shooter.  Yes you need both, not argueing, but which makes the team "go".  Since you are from HJ, was the Ryan Donahue or Kenyon Spears playmakers or spot up shooters.  The best 2 players to come through that program in the last 10-20 years. They were much more of the playmaking calibre and not very good outside shooters.  Ryan Donahoe was 3-a player of the year.  After Donahoe, the next HJ 3-a player of the year was Jarvis Benard who, in my opinion, was VERY MUCH a spot up shooter.)(why didnt you mention him?)  And, on the "Nate thing"  The Celtics were in the final three years ago without Nate and last year with Nate, so I dont think Nate is as meaningful or as good, under any circumstances.  I would also suggest to you that the stats are not nearly as close as you just suggested.

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="926827" timestamp="1291579823"] Do you think this team that goes 11 players deep can win district and get back to state? Do you think their lack of a tall front court will hurt them? [/quote] My thoughts are that their chances to get to Austin are better than most.

[quote name="east texas bb" post="926798" timestamp="1291576681"] And I wish the best for the Bosha kid, either if he is a spot up shooter or a playmaker.  He will still make an impact either way.  Regarding Rondo, that is why I said we could agree to disagree.  You can believe as you choose and I will.  That is what is great about America, we all get an opinion.  But dont come on this board and act as if you know me, you do not know me and I dont know you.  Just like your posts you are assuming from something.  I will gladly tell anyone what my name is if they want to know, I am not going to hide behind a screen name.  That is how it is set up but I will post message anyone and tell them.  And I gather since you can get on a coaches board you must be a coach. [/quote] Perhaps this will interest you.  Please accept my calculations as the great bulk of my lliving is of a statistical nature.  On your thoughts that Nate is far superior 1.  Rondo plays 39.3 minutes per game  Nate plays 19  so the ratio is roughly 2to1 2.  Rondo gets 14.1 assist per game versus 2.2 for Nate 3.  Rondo gets 4.6 rebounds per game versus 2.7 for Nate 4. Rondo gets .19 blocks per game versus 0 for Nate 5. Rondo gest 2.25 steals per game versus .11 for Nate 6.  Rondo scores 11.4  points per game versus 7 for nate. Adjust this down for minutes played and show me the compelling case for Nate being the better player.  As for the coaches board comment, I had heard about a guy on a coaches board last year who made nearly identical statements to yours so I thought it might be you.  They paid Bosh a lot of money for just being average, didn't they?  IF it looks lilke it is 1/2 and 1/2 then the case is also not that compelling that I should "change my outlook", is it?  STILL STRUGGLING to understand why Rondo was granted ALL STAR STATUS.  Celtilcs a better t eam?  I agree completely but I believe it is due to the right combination of player styles without total devotion to shot creators.