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"Thats not the only thing that will be self perpetuating. Can't leave out the 1's who sincerely believe they don't have to work hard or earn anything because of "Who they are and Who they know." That too is also sort of bad because their offspring are more likely to embrace those same thoughts and values of their parents. "   THIS IS THOUGHTFUL QUOTE FROM SCALABRINE. I couldnt agree more with you Betrayed, I mean Swag,I mean Scalabrine.  You are absolutely right.  Those that try to "make it" based upon who they know or who they are will ultimately pay the price by not succeeding.  After they have failed, they will then try to suggest that somebody else was their downfall when, all along, it was their own fault. (But of course, those same type of "failers"  will not be smart enough to come to that conclusion)  A few of them will become disgruntled and resort to panic type efforts such as mounting an internet campaign to discredit successful people with whom they have personal issues.  Heck, some will try to write articles about how improper it is to coach your own kid in football, etc. etc.  Its an effort to elevate oneself by trying to drag down others - same principle though, not making an effort where it will get results.  I don't know a lot but I know for sure that those efforts are HIGHLY counterproductive and ultimately come home to roost near the perpetrator who, as always, just can't understand why he is getting "mistreated" or "not sufficiently respected"  The other difficult part in all of this is to define what "working hard" means.  To some, it means your efforts in basketball.  To others, its a broader approach that encompasses most everything in life.  For those that chose the latter, it can really come in handy if you don't make it to the NBA.  And they will generally do quite well when challenged intellectually by the guy who "just knew" he was the next Michael Jordan but whose success was ruined by somebody else.  I think even Michael JOrdan found out that when it comes to baseball, it ultimately didnt matter who he was or who he knew.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="923711" timestamp="1291237717"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=76916.msg923700#msg923700 date=1291236524] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76916.msg923698#msg923698 date=1291236303] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg923622#msg923622 date=1291230335] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76916.msg923613#msg923613 date=1291229849] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg923610#msg923610 date=1291229596] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76916.msg923605#msg923605 date=1291229087] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg923602#msg923602 date=1291228695] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76916.msg923593#msg923593 date=1291228074] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg923518#msg923518 date=1291223624] I think he's the best Freshman in our area and probaly a top 5 or 10 Freshman in the State. Maybe Bluedove can help me out with this 1  ;D ;D ;D [/quote]There you go pulling me into this trap ;D Bosha knows what happens when Lil Dove (2014) is holding him straight up man to man. :o [/quote]Lil Dove or Littlest Dove (2015) can't handle Bosha. Let me see, 6'3 and growing vs 5'5 and 5'6. I suggest you stop it before i stop it!! ;D ;D ;D [/quote]Whats been the history when they meet and play each other...hmmm? And I won't get into games in Houston....hmmmm I've seen games you have no idea what happened ;) [/quote]FYI, I was there this summer when the Hoops played Team Sneed, the Boyd's and Bosha was injured. Like u didn't already know that  ;) [/quote]huh? Injured? Those were 7th graders who beat those older kids by a WIDE margin..I repeat, 7th graders!!!!!!!!!!! Injured? Really! Oh okay1 [/quote]Yes, Injured!! His hip was bothering him from the beginning. He played like 2 mins, and you know your boys are way older then Josh Boyd (12yrs old) a 6th grader. [/quote]I wish people know their facts. LITTLE Boyd is older than my 2015, who is now 13. [/quote] Probably most of this bantering doesnt matter.  I cant tell you how many years I have watched "the next superstar not make the high school team or not even try out and, at the same time, some seemingly uncoordinated kid who isnt even noticed in elemnentary school seems to blossom by the time he gets to high school. [/quote]The one way to gauge is by playing the top players in the nation. See where you stand among your own peers in your class. [/quote]  Dove_ i was speaking of elementary school kids.  Have personally witnessed a number of kids who absolutely dominated at certain levels and then were so-so at best later on.  Most of them did not blame someone else for their circumstances.  But there were/are a few who sincerely believe they were one step away from the NBA if others had not mistreated them.  Sort of too bad because their offspring are likely to embrace the thoughts/values of the parent(s) and that failed approach becomes self perpetuating.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="923698" timestamp="1291236303"] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg923622#msg923622 date=1291230335] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76916.msg923613#msg923613 date=1291229849] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg923610#msg923610 date=1291229596] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76916.msg923605#msg923605 date=1291229087] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg923602#msg923602 date=1291228695] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76916.msg923593#msg923593 date=1291228074] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg923518#msg923518 date=1291223624] I think he's the best Freshman in our area and probaly a top 5 or 10 Freshman in the State. Maybe Bluedove can help me out with this 1  ;D ;D ;D [/quote]There you go pulling me into this trap ;D Bosha knows what happens when Lil Dove (2014) is holding him straight up man to man. :o [/quote]Lil Dove or Littlest Dove (2015) can't handle Bosha. Let me see, 6'3 and growing vs 5'5 and 5'6. I suggest you stop it before i stop it!! ;D ;D ;D [/quote]Whats been the history when they meet and play each other...hmmm? And I won't get into games in Houston....hmmmm I've seen games you have no idea what happened ;) [/quote]FYI, I was there this summer when the Hoops played Team Sneed, the Boyd's and Bosha was injured. Like u didn't already know that  ;) [/quote]huh? Injured? Those were 7th graders who beat those older kids by a WIDE margin..I repeat, 7th graders!!!!!!!!!!! Injured? Really! Oh okay1 [/quote]Yes, Injured!! His hip was bothering him from the beginning. He played like 2 mins, and you know your boys are way older then Josh Boyd (12yrs old) a 6th grader. [/quote]I wish people know their facts. LITTLE Boyd is older than my 2015, who is now 13. [/quote] Probably most of this bantering doesnt matter.  I cant tell you how many years I have watched "the next superstar not make the high school team or not even try out and, at the same time, some seemingly uncoordinated kid who isnt even noticed in elemnentary school seems to blossom by the time he gets to high school.

[quote name="Scalabrine" post="923652" timestamp="1291232247"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=76916.msg923649#msg923649 date=1291232103] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg923641#msg923641 date=1291231708] [quote author=speechless link=topic=76916.msg923630#msg923630 date=1291231159] besides if i remember right you upset about coaches who dont help kids get scholarships not coachin your kid? really?  so which one you want? them sorry coaches coachin your kid or what? [/quote]That's easy, I want Davis ;D ;D ;D My bad, that's only if Joubert isn't available, He has more "Championships" ;) [/quote] If championships are the important criteria, then you ABSOLUTELY want Sutherland, right?   [/quote]Nope, want Joubert or Davis. Sutherland don't have a dog in the Hunt [/quote] Then you speak out of both sides of your mouth.  Why even mention Davis in the same sentence with Joubert?  For many months, you have identified Mr. Joubert as the ultimate coach- the standard by which all other coaches would be judged.  Davis really doesnt know that much about basketball, they just gave him the job probably because he grew up in the "city" on 105 and knew a lot of the individuals who participate in the "conspiracy"  ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(

[quote name="Scalabrine" post="923648" timestamp="1291232051"] Stay on Topic ;D ;D ;D [/quote] We both know that it is very much on topic.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

[quote name="Scalabrine" post="923641" timestamp="1291231708"] [quote author=speechless link=topic=76916.msg923630#msg923630 date=1291231159] besides if i remember right you upset about coaches who dont help kids get scholarships not coachin your kid? really?  so which one you want? them sorry coaches coachin your kid or what? [/quote]That's easy, I want Davis ;D ;D ;D My bad, that's only if Joubert isn't available, He has more "Championships" ;) [/quote] If championships are the important criteria, then you ABSOLUTELY want Sutherland, right? 

I know of one particular situation where a young man believes he was conspired against by a member of the coaching staff during his high school playing days.  What is MOST IRONIC is that the person he holds responsible is the ONLY reason he ever saw the hardwood. 

[quote name="Scalabrine" post="923626" timestamp="1291230631"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=76916.msg923618#msg923618 date=1291230172] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg923589#msg923589 date=1291227864] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=76916.msg923549#msg923549 date=1291225529] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=76916.msg923547#msg923547 date=1291225433] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg923518#msg923518 date=1291223624] I think he's the best Freshman in our area and probaly a top 5 or 10 Freshman in the State. Maybe Bluedove can help me out with this 1  ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Being a huge supporter of HJ hoops I would like to agree with you, but we are only 4 games into the season.  Yes, he has scored in double digits in all 4 games including games against Kountze, Nederland, Central and Anahuac....all quality opponents and three of four being on the road. I think in the long term he will be very solid. [/quote] Was the Bosha kid one of the players who was going to be part of "the 4 year plan"? [/quote]Yes, After Bosha is done, its gonna be awhile before you get another player from across the tracks. Only player thats left will be Trevion Benard and maybe that 6yr old that Davis coached against Monday Night. Its ashame he didn't draft him because of personal reasons ;D ;D ;D I totally understand. He's not in that plan for the future with all the '91 kids being the same age and always on the same team. Guess it'll mess with the chemistry. So we will gladly relocate before i allow him to be shafted ;) [/quote]  "Always on the same team"?  Please do tell.  What players have been on the same team and for how many years? [/quote]All of primaries and so far in Jr's. The coach kids, The superintendent kids, Jack, and LIL Lazeek. Can't remember the others, but the starting 5 is already down in stone. The other 3 you have to draft are role players ;D ;D ;D [/quote]  You may want to recheck things.  I believe Little Lazeek and his counterpart cousin were in two different divisions last year. 

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="923561" timestamp="1291226341"] Did Sammy and Carr (big 6'6 kid) play on varsity last night????? [/quote] Only Carr

[quote name="Scalabrine" post="923589" timestamp="1291227864"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=76916.msg923549#msg923549 date=1291225529] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=76916.msg923547#msg923547 date=1291225433] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg923518#msg923518 date=1291223624] I think he's the best Freshman in our area and probaly a top 5 or 10 Freshman in the State. Maybe Bluedove can help me out with this 1  ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Being a huge supporter of HJ hoops I would like to agree with you, but we are only 4 games into the season.  Yes, he has scored in double digits in all 4 games including games against Kountze, Nederland, Central and Anahuac....all quality opponents and three of four being on the road. I think in the long term he will be very solid. [/quote] Was the Bosha kid one of the players who was going to be part of "the 4 year plan"? [/quote]Yes, After Bosha is done, its gonna be awhile before you get another player from across the tracks. Only player thats left will be Trevion Benard and maybe that 6yr old that Davis coached against Monday Night. Its ashame he didn't draft him because of personal reasons ;D ;D ;D I totally understand. He's not in that plan for the future with all the '91 kids being the same age and always on the same team. Guess it'll mess with the chemistry. So we will gladly relocate before i allow him to be shafted ;) [/quote]  "Always on the same team"?  Please do tell.  What players have been on the same team and for how many years?

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="923547" timestamp="1291225433"] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg923518#msg923518 date=1291223624] I think he's the best Freshman in our area and probaly a top 5 or 10 Freshman in the State. Maybe Bluedove can help me out with this 1  ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Being a huge supporter of HJ hoops I would like to agree with you, but we are only 4 games into the season.  Yes, he has scored in double digits in all 4 games including games against Kountze, Nederland, Central and Anahuac....all quality opponents and three of four being on the road. I think in the long term he will be very solid. [/quote] Was the Bosha kid one of the players who was going to be part of "the 4 year plan"?

[quote name="Hawks2" post="923507" timestamp="1291222770"] i believe colbert broke the record I agree.  Heard that Coach Davis held the previous record with nine and his younger brother Chris, once made 8 in a game against Cleveland. [/quote]

[quote name="Scalabrine" post="923494" timestamp="1291221873"] Where do the 8 3's by Bosha rank him on the Hj "Most 3's made in a single game"  I know Coach Davis holds the all time record there in a season, history and maybe state. I know Josh Freeman, and Coach Davis was up there but don't know the exact number of 3's were made in a game. If he didn't break that record, i know he most certainly broke it for the most 3's made by a Fresman!!  Way to go Zjori Bosha *aka* "Lil Penny"  ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Several years ago, the Colbert kid tied or broke the single game record for threes.  Just cant remember if it was 8 or 9.

[quote name="ST413" post="923120" timestamp="1291171507"] Wow HJ must be a bunch of thugs this year :D [/quote] Waiting for Bluedove to chime in on this

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="922871" timestamp="1291146444"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=76848.msg922869#msg922869 date=1291146194] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76848.msg922835#msg922835 date=1291142893] Stevie, I think Sutherland has his work cut out for him for the next few years. He needs a new challenge in district play. :D [/quote]  Do you have any idea how many times "Sutherland has had his work cut out for him"? [/quote] That's a myth (even though Sutherland and his coaching staff do work hard). HJ has had as much talent at the 3A level as anyone has in this area. They have basketball players, contrary to what some might think. [/quote] My point was NOT whether or not they had basketball players but rather how many times somebody has said "well, they were good last year, but its not looking so bright this year".  HJ has never been blessed with a lot of athleticism but they compensate for that with some very good basketball intellect developed over the years by a good little dribblers program and a competent high school staff that recognizes how to deal with the "short on athletes but long on understanding the game" issues.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="922835" timestamp="1291142893"] Stevie, I think Sutherland has his work cut out for him for the next few years. He needs a new challenge in district play. :D [/quote]  Do you have any idea how many times "Sutherland has had his work cut out for him"?

[quote name="bullets13" post="922843" timestamp="1291144266"] i heard the hunter boys are dropping basketball to go take starting varsity spots on the very successful HF soccer team...  ;D [/quote] That is possible, if they can find the time from Universal Off Season

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="922736" timestamp="1291135002"] [quote author=Pumper link=topic=76803.msg922731#msg922731 date=1291134664] I will say this about the size thing.  The best 5A team I ever saw was the 1985 Houston Madison team.  40-0 and state champs.  No player over 6'6", but deep and loaded.  Most players between 6'1" and 6'5".  8 kids off that team got scholarships (Tech, Baylor, Houston, TSU, Central Florida, various smaller schools & jucos).  I think their closest game that year was 11 points, but their avg. margin was about 25 or so. [/quote]  yeah! yeah! yeah! They win ONLY ONE State title and you giving them props like that :P :D [/quote] Hey Dove, what about that "soon to be dead HJ program"?  They have multiple state titles

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="922776" timestamp="1291137588"] Time to pick on my friends in Sour Country ;D Now lets try and break this down by class years. 2010: No use in discussing HJ will be in the hunt 2011: Change Is Gonna Come :( 2012:   :'( :'( = crying years 2013:     :'( :'( 2014:       :'( :'( :'( :'( :-[ 2015:         :'( :'( :'( :'( :-[ :-[ 2016:          :'( :'( :'( :'( :-[ [/quote] Regarding your quote on 2011-  Our president told us the same thing-  So far, it does not appear as though there was much "change we could believe in".  If the president cannot get it done, how are you going to do it, Dove?

[quote name="no-look" post="921710" timestamp="1291000123"] Anyone have the pool play brackets yet? Starts thursday. [/quote] The host team will walk through this tourney with ease.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="921536" timestamp="1290986720"] LOL! When I'm back home and people ask me "where is Hamshire Fannett,? I always say in the the toughest 3-A district. Then I have to explain HJ and Silsbee are in the district. Anyway, I don't think this district is a tough district, but it has two tough 3-A teams in it who battle consistently for the playoffs. Those same two teams will once again battle this season. 3rd place in this district is just a gift. As much as I want to see HJ lose, I gotta still respect them for right now. ;) [/quote] I would think a district that provided either 1 or two of the regional finalists for each of the last 5 or 6 years would have to be considered a tough district.  And then you add in your prediction for 2012, how could anyone doubt the toughness of the district.

[quote name="Philly Cheese" post="921409" timestamp="1290975892"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=76763.msg921396#msg921396 date=1290974347] [quote author=Philly Cheese link=topic=76763.msg921390#msg921390 date=1290973647] I know its early, and district play has yet to begin, but we all know District 21-3A is a very tough district to play in, with many good teams.  Many people would say that Silsbee and H-J will lead the way, so who will fall into that 3rd place position clenching a play-off birth?  WO-S?  OF?  BC? or HF?  I'm just looking for opinions on what it will take to make the play-offs in 21-3A. [/quote] I am hoping that you are probably right.  However, there are some on this board who have already declared HJ as unworthy of making the playoffs based upon early season performance.  I am waiting now for Bluedove to jump on this statement. [/quote]I did see HJ play Nederland last tuesday and i was not impressed. I figured it was an off night, and Sutherland was not dressed out?  But who knows, they may stay a strong competetor in the district or they may suprise everyone and fall short of the play-offs?? [/quote]Anything is possible.

[quote name="Philly Cheese" post="921390" timestamp="1290973647"] I know its early, and district play has yet to begin, but we all know District 21-3A is a very tough district to play in, with many good teams.  Many people would say that Silsbee and H-J will lead the way, so who will fall into that 3rd place position clenching a play-off birth?  WO-S?  OF?  BC? or HF?  I'm just looking for opinions on what it will take to make the play-offs in 21-3A. [/quote] I am hoping that you are probably right.  However, there are some on this board who have already declared HJ as unworthy of making the playoffs based upon early season performance.  I am waiting now for Bluedove to jump on this statement.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="919525" timestamp="1290823074"] Yep,better enjoy it now. [/quote] Excuse me, dove, but  what should be enjoyed now, the loss?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="918629" timestamp="1290699204"] [quote author=setxbbfan link=topic=76588.msg918594#msg918594 date=1290695755] MGJ - just curious-what makes you an expert? (or at least more knowledgeable than the coach)  Are you sure your sone just didn't get to play?  Just curiuous. [/quote]Reading is FUN-DUMB-MENTAL! I usually let MGJ ( :D) stick up for her sons but I think I will step in this time ;) The kid plays at least 92% of the game. Leads the team in scoring and assists.Gets his teammates involved. He understands the point guard position. He encourages his teammates. He plays against some of the top players in the nation on one of the top AAU teams in the nation. To see him play against the caliber of competition I've seen so far is very disturbing to me. Because his daddy has taught them (he has siblings) to play against older and better players, who will better challenge them to get better. He's NOT learning anything or being challenged playing 9th grade here. He's doing things against other kids thats too easy for him. And no, I don't think my son is a star because he has a lot to learn and develop better skills. And sir, being around sports all my life, I can tell you that being a coach does not mean you have the intricate knowledge of basketball and judging talent. Talent is like laying out the facts  its there for you to see for yourself. No boasting sir just the facts. [/quote]  Dove:  Exactly WHO decides who is good at judging talent.  I am sure you have your criteria, as do I, as do the coaches at various schools.  WHo decides what the FACTS are?