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Since you take such pride in ALWAYS tellling the TRUTH.  Please tell us how the referees gave the HJ-Kountze games to HJ, especially the one played in Kountze.

[quote name="$wag" post="855118" timestamp="1285351062"] I wonder if u really know what your getting yourself into...I'm assuming you live or your from a town off of 105 too? [/quote] Swag-  Try something other than a threat.  Sooner or later, you are going to run into someone who is going to respond to those threats in a manner that will trouble you greatly.

[quote name="Twig" post="855109" timestamp="1285350211"] I wonder if swag knows what these beloved players he speaks of say about him when he isnt around. Would love to see the look on his face!! [/quote] You, sir, just made a very enlightened statement.  However, surely you must know that the subject you mention believes that all of the aformentioned admire and adore him.

[quote name="$wag" post="855007" timestamp="1285342335"] [quote author=speechless link=topic=73010.msg855004#msg855004 date=1285341779] therein lies the problem....you really believe you are telling the truth i hope Omar shows up to some HJ games...that would be great....I know my son always loves it when he comes to Coach Sutherlands camps in Beaumont to talk to the kids....he's been doin' it for years....his son has been a regular at Coach Sutherlands camps for many years [/quote]Jalen goes to every camp around here every summer. If Omar is home then he usually speaks at alot of camps...Yeah he will be at a couple of games this year. Silsbee games for sure. He has a special relationship with D.C and Shawn. He really worked with them this past summer. They're going somewhere. He has alot of connections [/quote] Connections will not do much but maybe get you an opportunity to show what you can do.  But again, the college coaching/scouting system is very sophisticated and there are few if any good players that they are not aware of.  So, regardless of how "well connected" one is, they still have to be able to play better than most of their peers.

[quote name="$wag" post="855018" timestamp="1285343352"] [quote author=$wag link=topic=73010.msg855017#msg855017 date=1285343266] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=73010.msg848534#msg848534 date=1284657961] [quote author=HoopInsider_Cooper link=topic=73010.msg848358#msg848358 date=1284607335] [font=Courier]kenny hoffpauir[/font] [/quote] Thank you but I was familiar who the new employee was.  [size=12pt][color=red]Wanted Betrayed to shed his evaluation/passion on this issue.[/color][/size][/quote] [/quote]When you beg for it you're gonna get. Don't want my opinion then stop calling me out. [/quote] As for making veiled threats to me, it wont do much good.  I was threatened by Dicky V numerous times. If you dont want to be called out, stop bashing Hardin Jefferson fans, players, coaches with lies

[quote name="$wag" post="854482" timestamp="1285272999"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=73010.msg854186#msg854186 date=1285249596] [quote author=speechless link=topic=73010.msg854166#msg854166 date=1285245960] of course a good question would be are we talking athletic scholarships only?  [size=12pt][color=red]lots of coaches help kids get to college through avenues other than athletics...[/color][/size] should we compare hj graduates that played basketball going to college regardless of the avenue vs. the aforementioned schools?  that would be a more fair comparison wouldn't it? then again, it doesn't do much good if one isn't willing to tell the whole story such as coaches setting up tryouts and players just not showing up to them or players refusing to fill out the necessary paperwork in order to qualify for college or players going to college and not making the grade only to wind up standing along the fence at Friday night football games.....of course, I'm sure I should assume their high school coaches are supposed to go to college with them and make their grades for them....right? if you want to compare....let's REALLY compare... [/quote] He DOES NOT want to really compare - He wants to bash HJ coaches and will tell half truths  or out right lies to get the job done- (at least, HE thinks he got the job done)  all of this because he doesnt think "certain people" got the proper playing time-  And for the record -  If you want to believe that Kountze players get the coaches help, isnt it interesting that the Hancock brothers (who were the most successful at the next level) were coached by the very guy that swag/betrayed/redtored,etc.etc) wants to bash? [/quote]Hj players from across the tracks are in good hands now. Couldn't be in a better situation to have [size=12pt][color=red]Omar Sneed [/color] [/size] in your corner!! Prudohmme, Lil Penny (Bosha), and Will put in alot of work this summer. They got to work with several Nba players (1on1's) and Sneed himself. Twice a day. Monday thru Thurs. They competed on a high level and really stood out in several National AAU Tournaments this summer. Thanx for supporting them Hj staff ;) Silsbee, Kountze, Ozen, Anahauc, Wb,  and Central coaches all supported their players in local tournaments at the Montagne. Omar and B.J Tyler will definitely be there to support them when the season starts, and after they graduate...lol [/quote]  LOL is right. IN good hands just like Donahoe was when he was advised by that idiot not to accept the full scholarshsip at SFA(which the next year was in the NCAA playoffs)  THe advice Donahoe got reminds of the advice you are giving.

[quote name="speechless" post="854166" timestamp="1285245960"] of course a good question would be are we talking athletic scholarships only?  lots of coaches help kids get to college through avenues other than athletics... should we compare hj graduates that played basketball going to college regardless of the avenue vs. the aforementioned schools?  that would be a more fair comparison wouldn't it? then again, it doesn't do much good if one isn't willing to tell the whole story such as coaches setting up tryouts and players just not showing up to them or players refusing to fill out the necessary paperwork in order to qualify for college or players going to college and not making the grade only to wind up standing along the fence at Friday night football games.....of course, I'm sure I should assume their high school coaches are supposed to go to college with them and make their grades for them....right? if you want to compare....let's REALLY compare... [/quote] He DOES NOT want to really compare - He wants to bash HJ coaches and will tell half truths  or out right lies to get the job done- (at least, HE thinks he got the job done)  all of this because he doesnt think "certain people" got the proper playing time-  And for the record -  If you want to believe that Kountze players get the coaches help, isnt it interesting that the Hancock brothers (who were the most successful at the next level) were coached by the very guy that swag/betrayed/redtored,etc.etc) wants to bash?

[quote name="$wag" post="853478" timestamp="1285161393"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=73010.msg847966#msg847966 date=1284567073] For you to give us the real inside scoop on how this will affect the EC basketball program.  We anxiously await your commentary. [/quote]IMO, I think the move was made to keep hometown, fan favorite Coach West from coming home...They're gonna beat Kountze and Maybe Anahuac to win district this year. Its gonna seem like the hire was a great hire and it will buy the coach more time there. In about a year or two, when Joubert gets his studs, thats when you will see the hire's affect on the E.C program. Its all Politics dude ;) ;) ;) [/quote] Here's a novel idea.  Get someone to start threatening the EC coach that they are going to talk his players into leaving for another school.  Then start bad mouthing the EC coach and tell him he doesn't know which people to playand that he doesnt know how to help his kids get scholarships.  I have heard that these strategies are really productive and can make a guy pretty popular with the teams involved.

[quote name="$wag" post="853489" timestamp="1285162143"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=73010.msg848534#msg848534 date=1284657961] [quote author=HoopInsider_Cooper link=topic=73010.msg848358#msg848358 date=1284607335] [font=Courier]kenny hoffpauir[/font] [/quote] Thank you but I was familiar who the new employee was.  Wanted Betrayed to shed his evaluation/passion on this issue. [/quote]My question to you is why is Coach Hoffpauir coming back when the district is down? Where was he during the 20+ years of district titles. The district title is E.C's to lose this year. E.C has alot of talent coming up. Those Guillory boys (Darius and Jayce) and company will be making some noise in Winnie Tx. By the way Hawks, those are Kenyon Spears and Bosha 1st cousins and they can hoop ;D  [/quote] How is the "4 year plan" going?  Are there any press conferences coming in Hardin County?

[quote name="HoopInsider_Cooper" post="848358" timestamp="1284607335"] [font=Courier]kenny hoffpauir[/font] [/quote] Thank you but I was familiar who the new employee was.  Wanted Betrayed to shed his evaluation/passion on this issue.

For you to give us the real inside scoop on how this will affect the EC basketball program.  We anxiously await your commentary.

Hmmm_ I wonder what Betrayed thinks of this

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="837849" timestamp="1283559767"] Don't forget Burrell and Donahoe...........they are off of Highway 326!!!!!! BTW.........Said HJ coach did sign the release form and personally handed it to said kid!!!! [/quote] Yep, the truth can often be painful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="837554" timestamp="1283539434"] Played that coach the last 4-5 years............he has not beat HJ yet!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] OHHHHHHHH, the truth is often painful!!!!!!!!!!!! (of course it was because of the refs)

[quote name="Betrayed" post="837258" timestamp="1283514300"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=72293.msg836866#msg836866 date=1283441849] [quote author=sleepy link=topic=72293.msg836595#msg836595 date=1283385036] [quote author=Betrayed link=topic=72293.msg836425#msg836425 date=1283363019] [quote author=jabu84 link=topic=72293.msg836283#msg836283 date=1283346799] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=72293.msg835995#msg835995 date=1283297405] Is your "4 year plan" going to be revealed in a Hardin County Press Conference? [/quote] :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D [/quote]Get ur popcorn ready!! [/quote] If I had a nickel for every time I hear betrayed say "get ready" i would be a squillionare!!!!! LMAO!!! Empty threats.....he's full of em! [/quote] Ranks right up there with "check yourself before you wreck yourself" and "i'm going to be all over you like sprinkles on ice cream"  AND THE INFAMOUS- [size=12pt][color=red]"wait till the first week after finals" [/color][/size] As for the popcorn, I don't mind eating it as much as you will mind another helping or two of CROW [/quote]If Martel would've been willing to sign off, and that Certain coach would've took that job, then u would've gotten just what u have been asking for. Keep talking, the future is looking really bright, just the way u want it. Im not talking about bright with talent, talking 105, Pine Wood bright!!  ;D ;D ;D Read between the lines...They're transferring as we speak. In other words, its starting with the little 1's first. So its gonna be the way you like it, and i love it!! ;) [/quote] What "strategy" will you employ when all of those "little transfers" dont get as much playing time as YOU think they should at the next school?  Of course, that will also be the coaches fault who doesnt know as much about ability, talent, and competitive mentality as you do.  I think the only solution is for you to become a head coach somewhere and win 5 or 6 state championships.  Then when some disenchanted former player/fan  tries to tell you who should and who shouldn't play, you can ignore them just as you are being ingnored.

[quote name="Betrayed" post="837258" timestamp="1283514300"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=72293.msg836866#msg836866 date=1283441849] [quote author=sleepy link=topic=72293.msg836595#msg836595 date=1283385036] [quote author=Betrayed link=topic=72293.msg836425#msg836425 date=1283363019] [quote author=jabu84 link=topic=72293.msg836283#msg836283 date=1283346799] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=72293.msg835995#msg835995 date=1283297405] Is your "4 year plan" going to be revealed in a Hardin County Press Conference? [/quote] :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D [/quote]Get ur popcorn ready!! [/quote] If I had a nickel for every time I hear betrayed say "get ready" i would be a squillionare!!!!! LMAO!!! Empty threats.....he's full of em! [/quote] Ranks right up there with "check yourself before you wreck yourself" and "i'm going to be all over you like sprinkles on ice cream"  AND THE INFAMOUS- [size=12pt][color=red]"wait till the first week after finals" [/color][/size] As for the popcorn, I don't mind eating it as much as you will mind another helping or two of CROW [/quote]If Martel would've been willing to sign off, and that Certain coach would've took that job, then u would've gotten just what u have been asking for. Keep talking, the future is looking really bright, just the way u want it. Im not talking about bright with talent, talking 105, Pine Wood bright!!  ;D ;D ;D Read between the lines...They're transferring as we speak. In other words, its starting with the little 1's first. So its gonna be the way you like it, and i love it!! ;) [/quote] Good strategy.  Since the " I am going to make HJ sorry in the near term" fell completely on is a$$, start a new strategy that implies a "four year plan".  When its obvious that one isnt flying either, then start one that says it "starts with the little ones first".  How soon can I expect you to tell us that all "other side of the tracks" babies conceived in the next few years will be transferring?  Oh, and by the way, check out the stats and record of the 1991 state championship team and tell me what is wrong with being bright and near 105.  And one more thing, there is no such thing as "would've TOOK".  That would be  "would've taken". 

[quote name="sleepy" post="836595" timestamp="1283385036"] [quote author=Betrayed link=topic=72293.msg836425#msg836425 date=1283363019] [quote author=jabu84 link=topic=72293.msg836283#msg836283 date=1283346799] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=72293.msg835995#msg835995 date=1283297405] Is your "4 year plan" going to be revealed in a Hardin County Press Conference? [/quote] :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D [/quote]Get ur popcorn ready!! [/quote] If I had a nickel for every time I hear betrayed say "get ready" i would be a squillionare!!!!! LMAO!!! Empty threats.....he's full of em! [/quote] Ranks right up there with "check yourself before you wreck yourself" and "i'm going to be all over you like sprinkles on ice cream"  AND THE INFAMOUS- "wait till the first week after finals"  As for the popcorn, I don't mind eating it as much as you will mind another helping or two of CROW

Is your "4 year plan" going to be revealed in a Hardin County Press Conference?

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="830608" timestamp="1282754550"] Man what is the deal, HJ has had some great players and I thought they played together as a team and won. Why are you always trying to separate the kids based on geographical area's. The fact is that they all come together and play great together. Why is this a problem with you. [/quote] My guess is that the accuser is exactly what he accuses others of being

[quote name="Mustangs4life" post="830419" timestamp="1282707654"] HoopInsider Top 30 player rankings oh yeah [/quote] Does this mean that WOS wins the district?

[quote author=hj15 link=topic=67026.msg829508#msg829508 date=1282589867] Cut and Paste, and here I just thought Betrayed got edjumacated!! [/quote   Right now, his biggest worry is how to get after the little league football coach.  I'll bet he might threaten him with a "four year plan" too.

[quote name="Betrayed" post="829318" timestamp="1282532994"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=67026.msg827491#msg827491 date=1282257192] [quote author=Betrayed link=topic=67026.msg827467#msg827467 date=1282255409] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=67026.msg827460#msg827460 date=1282254239] ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Well said Poppabear!!!!! [/quote] "It kills me to see someone so upset over a situation and then do absolutely nothing to fix it." The fix is in full effect. It's a 3 to 4 yr plan. It almost came this summer. Thank God a certain coach didn't accept a certain job ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Wow, Betrayed.  Does this mean that there will be multiple press conferences in Kountze announcing all of the "move ins"?  The last strategy almost got some people in a bind and this one is going to be worse.  You need to quit trying to convince someone other than yourself that you wield enough power to dictate where a kid is going to school. (it sure didnt work this past year, did it?)  And your comment about which teams a school should play so as to help the players get a scholarship?  Give me a freaking break.  The colleges are very sophisticated in the recruiting game and if a player is good enough, they will find him regardless of the schedule he plays.  Stephen McGee and Jordan Shipley (both now in the NFL) made it to A&M and UT from a 3a school named Burnet and they didnt get there because some disenchanted fan/former player who felt he was mistreated, complained about the lack of competition.   Lets get real here.  [color=red][size=18pt][size=14pt]You aren't going to impact where a kid plays basketbal[/size][/size]l[/color] and you darn sure arent going to impact the schedule that a school elects to play.  The coaches against whom you complain are highly successful and there is nothing you can do to take that away from them.  Surely you are getting tired of beating your head against a wall. [/quote] :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o [/quote] I'm laughing too.  Its just for a different reason.

PappaBear-  I think you can count on the fact that Betrayed was not the author of this note, but rather a "copy and paster".  Dont you think it is interesting that when this thread was deleted by administrators as its own subject and then shows up, word for word, in this thread?

[quote name="Betrayed" post="827620" timestamp="1282270160"] [quote author=sleepy link=topic=67026.msg827590#msg827590 date=1282267472] [quote author=Betrayed link=topic=67026.msg816857#msg816857 date=1278620541] Maybe if some of the "Coaches and Assn't Coaches" stop worrying about themselves and their records, and stop playing Legacy and other water-downed basketball programs around here and schedule some bigger programs where some scouts might be at, instead of playing teams where only parents attend the games. Go play some ranked 4a and 5a schools. When was the last time Hj has even played a ranked 4a or 5a school?? Promote the kids, let us see for ourselves if they can play on the same court as guys going D1 instead of getting on here and telling us their not good enuff. Maybe the coach and his staff will get exposed instead of the players. [b]I witnessed both all-state players from this area  get theirs against other all state players in the Tabc all state game. Matter of fact, They Started!! ;)  It was sad to say i think only 1 guy at the time didn't even have a Juco offer[/b]. It was quite embarrassing for the young man when everyone was asking him where was he going. But hey, it is what it is. Go coach some games where you don't always have the best athlete or bball player on the court. [/quote] Here you go again......you continue to make a case against yourself!!!! OPEN YOUR EYES!!!! There were PLENTY OF JUCO AND D1 coaches at this all star game.  GUESS WHY THEY DID NOT GET OFFERS???????  Because they were not good enough!!!!!  If they were SOOOOO good in this all star game against the best players in the state with JUCO and D1 coaches there they would have gotten an offer.  Guess what.....they didn't.  Answer this again.  If Kountze is playing such great competition and doing all the things right like you say in previous posts why have they not beaten HJ since Sutherland left???? Bet you don't answer that one!!!!  8) 8) 8) Your 4 year plan holds no water with anyone on here.  You have made a hundred statements on here and none have come to the surface.  This one will be much of the same!!! [/quote]Sure i can... What are a teams odds to beat a certain team, who uses certain refs, which sell that team uniforms and t-shirts?? Don't get me started dude!!  8) [/quote]  If that is the case, you simply should organize another Kountze press conference and expose everybody for what they have done.  That would certainly get rid of those coaches you dont like>  Come on, do it.  That would work so much better than a 4 year "plan".  By the way, didnt the Kountze coach have to agree to "certain refs".  Come on , the more you speak, the sillier you look

[quote name="Betrayed" post="827467" timestamp="1282255409"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=67026.msg827460#msg827460 date=1282254239] ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Well said Poppabear!!!!! [/quote] "It kills me to see someone so upset over a situation and then do absolutely nothing to fix it." The fix is in full effect. It's a 3 to 4 yr plan. It almost came this summer. Thank God a certain coach didn't accept a certain job ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Wow, Betrayed.  Does this mean that there will be multiple press conferences in Kountze announcing all of the "move ins"?  The last strategy almost got some people in a bind and this one is going to be worse.  You need to quit trying to convince someone other than yourself that you wield enough power to dictate where a kid is going to school. (it sure didnt work this past year, did it?)  And your comment about which teams a school should play so as to help the players get a scholarship?  Give me a freaking break.  The colleges are very sophisticated in the recruiting game and if a player is good enough, they will find him regardless of the schedule he plays.  Stephen McGee and Jordan Shipley (both now in the NFL) made it to A&M and UT from a 3a school named Burnet and they didnt get there because some disenchanted fan/former player who felt he was mistreated, complained about the lack of competition.  Lets get real here.  You aren't going to impact where a kid plays basketball and you darn sure arent going to impact the schedule that a school elects to play.  The coaches against whom you complain are highly successful and there is nothing you can do to take that away from them.  Surely you are getting tired of beating your head against a wall.