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[quote name="MoFo" post="867812" timestamp="1286465036"] Hawks played Deveyville last night, and I must add it was about the best game we have had so far as far as sportsmanship goes on BOTH sides. Great group of young athletes there. Look forward to seeing them again in the playoffs. hats off to you Deweyville coaches and players. [/quote]Who won??

Ozen's Tre Green!!

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[quote name="docrivers" post="867026" timestamp="1286375070"] I know that #1 kid in the pic.... ;D [/quote]Best Jr. in the area.  #10 Shawn Prudohmme [IMG][Hidden Content]]

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[quote name="stevenash" post="866564" timestamp="1286305889"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=71516.msg866545#msg866545 date=1286304085] Steve, I am beginning to wonder if someone else is posting under his account. [/quote] I believe that this account has had several posters all along.  My guess is that the main poster may have realized that his technique/tactics were actually counterproductive as far as achieving his goal.  [/quote][IMG][Hidden Content]]

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[quote name="True Blue" post="865986" timestamp="1286239765"] You can talk your crap all you wont, but look at his stats from last year. You cant your 5 was on JV so there is no # for him. But I just hope that they get to go against each other this year and we will see then. [/quote]Lets compare their Playoff stats...Opps You Can't, they were playing in them while u and urs was being a fan of theirs ;D ;D ;D

[quote name="True Blue" post="865904" timestamp="1286235390"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=70912.msg865881#msg865881 date=1286234075] [quote author=True Blue link=topic=70912.msg865862#msg865862 date=1286232322] Well I cant talk about teams that I have not seen , so I will have to say they are as good as any in 1a and 2a. clubs. Sislbee and HJ will have a little edge on their 2 guard and 3 small forward, But I think their 4 and 5 can play head up with both clubs. I hope to see these clubs go head up in one of the tour. [/quote] How can the Evadale 5 man go to head to head with the HJ 5 man when the Evadale 5 man never played for HJ during summer ball?????  Just sayin!!! ::) ::) ::) ::) [/quote]Well that goes to show how much you watched HJ play this summer He played in evergame that he was not at camps. But if they happen to in up in the same draw as HJ they will prob. get beat, but it wont be bacause of there 5 man. [size=12pt][color=red]If you think that there football player can out play him you are a fool. He was all tourment at HJ last when your 5 was on JV.[/color][/size] [/quote][IMG][Hidden Content]] [size=12pt][color=red]He is Not better then Persohn or Anderson[/color][/size]

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[quote author=mwmuck link=topic=73711.msg862635#msg862635 date=1285959305] I thought that you had a couple from HJ. Collecting kids from Beaumont is drafting from the biggest group of talent in SE Texas. How many elementary schools are in Beaumont while most towns surrounding Beaumont have one? First come, first served? I was under the wrong impression. How does all that talent show up in the first 25? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[quote name="SgtRey" post="862493" timestamp="1285949108"] [quote author=mwmuck link=topic=73335.msg862408#msg862408 date=1285943004] I was told I should get on here and see what is going on. I'm Mark Muckleroy. I was one of the original Founders of both of the leagues here. I now hold the positions of Coaches Representative for Lonestar and I am the founder and president for the Silsbee Association.  One of the original rules that we set down concerned ages. Five to twelve years old would be allowed to play. It is that simple. We do not distinguish between a 12 year old sixth grader or a 12 year old seventh grader. We leave that to the other league. The reasons that originally became an issue within the league that existed at that time had nothing to do with too much practice, homework, pediatricians, training or puberty. It had EVERYTHING to do with who could have 7th graders and who couldn't based on the school programs. Some schools, because of their athletic administration, will not allow anyone involved in their programs to be involved in any other program. Other programs feel that the more work the kid gets in that sport the better they will become. Those issues are outside the realm of what Lonestar considers. Since our inception as Southeast Texas Junior Football during the winter of 1999 we have only dealt with the idea of providing a service to the kids and parents of the area. We do not now, nor did we then, want to challenge the school systems that our kids feed into. Rather we wanted to help prepare and groom kids for greatness in their chosen sport. We respect the guidelines set down by our associated school districts but at the same time we are not going to turn away kids from one district that has no problem with a 12 year old playing in our league just because 12 year olds in another district are restricted by that district. We also do not decide what and how much is on the plate of the kids we serve. That is now and has always been the responsibility of the parents of those kids. They make those decisions. We hold firm to the idea that a 12 year old IS a 12 year old. We do not recognize puberty by association with a grade in school. On the contrary, we recognize that hormones have no respect for age, social status, placement in school or color of uniform. Lonestar Junior Football has no rules governing puberty, hormone displacement or hair on chest. By our rules, we accept anyone within our associations between the ages of 5 and 12 and anyone outside our league that has no league to play in. See how simple that is. No concern of the details. 5-12 years old qualifies. [b]On the issue of the kids that play in this league that aren't within the districts in question. Every child playing in our league has been cleared and sanctioned by the administration of the league to the best of our ability. Those on here and elsewhere that squeal about cheating and recruiting and false records insult the work done to try and make this as honest and transparent as possible. Answers about this situation were given to the folks that came to us and asked like adults. We have had kids from Lumberton come and play with us before this season and it has never been an issue. Those that would like to become private investigators that would check into the truth on birth certificates, school report cards and utility bills should apply to work for the league at the same rate of pay that we all get for doing this. In fact, by the power invested in me as the Coaches Representative of Lonestar Junior Football I can guarantee that I will see to it that you get DOUBLE what each of the Board members and officers of the local Associations gets. How can you refuse an offer to work your tail off, endure lots of gripes with few thank-you's and dedicate every weekend for months on end. If this sounds like something that you have been itching to do then please apply today and become part of the solution....[/b] ....or sit in front of the computer squirting out stuff you know nothing about and be part of the problem.   I am easy to find. My contact info is all over our website. I am always available to answer any question concerning any issue that may come up from anyone associated with any league. If I don't know the answer, I will find it. If there is a problem I will deal with it. Give us a chance to do that before spouting out rumor, innuendo and total BS about people doing volunteer work for the kids. That's why I came on here to set the record straight. Mark Muckleroy Coaches Representative Lonestar Junior Football and friend of Clyde     [/quote] Mr Muckleroy, [size=12pt][color=red]after so many years have gone by, explain to me why the Beaumont Bulls Senior team was the only team kicked out of the league that year(2005)....we never got any explanation....[/color][/size]we had 5th graders, 6th graders and two 7th graders....on that team....nothing happened after we went to Deweville and scrimmaged(Deweville scored twice and we may have scored once)....the following week we go to the jamboree in Winnie and score 7 times to none!(DEWEVILLE was all 7th graders that year)....after that, the next day, we cheated?....because we executed that day and Deweville did not? [size=12pt][color=red]Can we explain that one after 5 yrs?...because I contacted everyone and there brother and didn't get anything, all our kids were sanctioned, checked, and so forth... .....those 25 KIDS were the ones that lost the most in that deal.[/color][/size]  [/quote]

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[quote name="BAM2000" post="861564" timestamp="1285865757"] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=73711.msg861556#msg861556 date=1285865011] This is what seperates the 3 leagues TIFI  5a STJFL 4a Lonestar 1-3a [/quote] stjfl has a bmt league so throw in a 5a for stjfl> i like the idea of the winners in each league to play the others at the end of season. [/quote]That would be awsome. The funds can go to Reggie Garrett!! Hey Coop, you should hook this up. Do like a youth All-Star game between the 3 leagues or take the Super Bowl winners and let them play. Winner of those 2 play the Bull teams. Far as Flag, STJFL vs Lonestar all star teams or Super Bowl winners

This is what seperates the 3 leagues TIFI  5a STJFL 4a Lonestar 1-3a

[quote name="mfd814" post="861516" timestamp="1285862901"] I don't think you can say one is better then another. They all serve their purpose for the family's in them.  They all have good athletes, because they all teach their kids about more then just football. I believe they all put the kids 1st.  One kid maybe a superstar in one league and not in another.  They all have plus and minus reasons to join, depending on if you talk to a happy parent or a unhappy one.  [size=10pt][color=red]The biggest downfall for TIFI is the travel to Houston area for at least 5 games. [/color] [/size] The Bulls usually make it a all day thing, traveling together by teams, some even go up the night before. They also get to see other talent out there, they might come across in high school playoffs, instead of just local talent.  Lone star and STJFL are local and easier on the travel.  Just depends on what is best for you and yours. [/quote]I wouldn't consider that a downfall. Don't you think its better to play some of the future 5a players rather then staying local and only playing against 1-4a schools.

[quote name="speechless" post="861391" timestamp="1285850782"] hey i got an idea how about everybody let this crap go and quit responding to it on BOTH sides! [/quote]  ::) ::) ::)

[quote name="stevenash" post="848534" timestamp="1284657961"] [quote author=HoopInsider_Cooper link=topic=73010.msg848358#msg848358 date=1284607335] [font=Courier]kenny hoffpauir[/font] [/quote] Thank you but I was familiar who the new employee was.  Wanted Betrayed to shed his evaluation/passion on this issue. [/quote]Lets stay on topic!!

[quote name="stevenash" post="861207" timestamp="1285809681"] Addtionally- you made the obvious ridiculous charge that HJ staff rigged the games against Kountze ( those two losses are forever etched in your mind and there is NOTHING you can say or do to alter that wonderful FACT.  You also have said that they played the wrong players at the wrong times- sorry, but their opinion on that is 1000 times more enlightened than yours.- another FACT you cannot alter.  How did your "prediction" that Gustafson would lead the district in turnovers last year pan out?  How did your prediction that while HJ was at home, Kountze would be in Austin pan out?  Cleveland, a far superior team to Kountze and best collection of athletes HJ faced all year was "lit up" big time by Sutherland.  You suggested he couldn't do that against a good team with good athletes.(hmmm, makes me think he is either a good player or was coached by some people who knew how to take advantage of his strengths)  Before I go further, I want to see how you handle your denial of these. [/quote]You talking about that same shooter who went (0 for etc...) in Huntsville?

[quote name="stevenash" post="861207" timestamp="1285809681"] Addtionally- you made the obvious ridiculous charge that HJ staff rigged the games against Kountze ( those two losses are forever etched in your mind and there is NOTHING you can say or do to alter that wonderful FACT.  You also have said that they played the wrong players at the wrong times- sorry, but their opinion on that is 1000 times more enlightened than yours.- another FACT you cannot alter.  How did your "prediction" that Gustafson would lead the district in turnovers last year pan out?  How did your prediction that while HJ was at home, Kountze would be in Austin pan out?  Cleveland, a far superior team to Kountze and best collection of athletes HJ faced all year was "lit up" big time by Sutherland.  You suggested he couldn't do that against a good team with good athletes.(hmmm, makes me think he is either a good player or was coached by some people who knew how to take advantage of his strengths)  Before I go further, I want to see how you handle your denial of these. [/quote]Honestly, im getting sick and tired of all this Malarkey!! On a serious note, majority of things you say and the rest of the Hawk Nation is "Nuthin but Malarkey"