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[quote name="Txdragon" post="1319770" timestamp="1352047331"] Good talent will make bad coaching still look good. Great coaching will make bad talent look good. [/quote] ;D ;)

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1314172" timestamp="1351556699"] I was misinformed lol. Still waiting on you to produce that article of clark running that time frodo. [/quote]I am trying get in touch with Kaleb. Everything I have heard is hearsay, I admit, but from very reliable sources. I am hoping to get the laser time established from the combine. If I can't produce I will surely admit it. Don't know if I can get substantive proof on the 4.37, like I said all hearsay from more than a few individuals that witnessed it and coaches. Don't think it was written down. I know that the 4.37 was from hand held so I am sure there was human error involved. None the less, with his speed, I stiil don't know why he hasn't been on offense....

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1313424" timestamp="1351479461"] Usain bolt runs a freaking 4.34 and your telling me this high school kid runs a 4.37? Yeah right. I'll believe it when I see an article or an actual time sheet from a track meet or combine. [/quote]Where did you get this 40 time for Bolt? I have found some estimates that have him at sub 4 but most say 4.0 or 4.1, Thing about Bolt is that he has a slow start, but turns the after burners on as he builds speed....Did he run a combine style 40? DO you have an article?

[quote name="outanup" post="1313413" timestamp="1351478748"] [quote author=FrodoNDN link=topic=105267.msg1313402#msg1313402 date=1351478089] Just found out Lamar Combine has a Laser time of 4.42 for Clark.... [/quote]Is there a link where I could see all these times? [/quote]Maybe, I check into it.....give me some time, 'bout to hit the sack...

[quote name="Brubaker" post="1313407" timestamp="1351478433"] So the question becomes, with the superior coaching at the Reservation, how does a guy that run a sub 4.5, not get the ball in his hands on offense? [/quote]That's my beef...your words are "Superior" not mine...many more here have been asking the same question. The only answer we get is that FC does not play kids both ways. This is true for the most part which frustrates the hell out of me......

Just found out Lamar Combine has a Laser time of 4.42 for Clark....

[quote name="Brubaker" post="1313388" timestamp="1351477003"] [quote author=FrodoNDN link=topic=105267.msg1313378#msg1313378 date=1351476173] [quote author=Brubaker link=topic=105267.msg1313229#msg1313229 date=1351464442] The Pope could be looking at him, I've seen him play, he's not even in the same zip code of 4.37, that's laughable.  And to use the PNG coaches as a reference is a joke, all my grandkids are the cutest too.  Kid is fast, maybe 4.5ish, and yes he should be getting touches on offense, why does your head coach who knows more than Bill Walsh himself not have the ball in his hands at least 4-5 times a game??? [/quote]Ok, so the info comes from the coaches and most of the kids that were there when he did it. He has been timed more than 8 times at that speed. Is it a combine type 40 with the laser watches, no, but it ain't that far off. He does have some official times in the 100 that are faster than Ceaser from LCM. He is running track this year and is expected to go to State. He didn't run track last year because he wanted to focus on baseball. We will have to see. He has been consistently running 4.4 flat for awhile now. You said you have seen him, have you been there when he has run the 40? Or just on the football field. Did you see him against WOS on the 100 yard return. Nobody could catch him. He doesn't get alot kicked his way because most coaches have scouted him. The St. Louis Cardinals have contacted his dad so for a high school kid he must have something going. Watch him steal bases on the baseball field and then question his speed. He is getting alot of looks for baseball and not football because he is small. He has had some calls for football though. Many people here have asked why he is not on offense. He said it is because as a freshman he dropped alot of passes, but he's a senior now, I'd give him a try. [/quote] I'm not dissing the kid, I'm saying he's not sub 4.4, he's just not.  Thanks for the resume' though, he's a talent, but he's never run a sub 4.4 in his life, I can guarantee that. Hope to see him in the World Series in a couple of years playing with the Cardinals... Oh and by the way, I'd put him in a foot race tomorrow with Michael Shaw, you remember him, the kid that buckled him on that TD pass, and bet the house. [/quote]Again, just telling you what many have told me. Have I stood there and watched him run it ...no, but the people who have I trust very much and it is more than just one. Wish I could show you a laser stop watch time. Don't have one. Based on him he is running track this year for better recruiting hopes. So we will see. Believe me it was hard for me to believe a white kid from Port Neches could run that fast but he does. As far as the World series thing, well that is cute....I am just saying for a Pro team to contact you, you surely have some swag. Is Michael Shaw going to run track?

[quote name="outanup" post="1313382" timestamp="1351476714"] [quote author=FrodoNDN link=topic=105267.msg1313378#msg1313378 date=1351476173] [quote author=Brubaker link=topic=105267.msg1313229#msg1313229 date=1351464442] The Pope could be looking at him, I've seen him play, he's not even in the same zip code of 4.37, that's laughable.  And to use the PNG coaches as a reference is a joke, all my grandkids are the cutest too.  Kid is fast, maybe 4.5ish, and yes he should be getting touches on offense, why does your head coach who knows more than Bill Walsh himself not have the ball in his hands at least 4-5 times a game??? [/quote]Ok, so the info comes from the coaches and most of the kids that were there when he did it. He has been timed more than 8 times at that speed. Is it a combine type 40 with the laser watches, no, but it ain't that far off. He does have some official times in the 100 that are faster than Ceaser from LCM. He is running track this year and is expected to go to State. He didn't run track last year because he wanted to focus on baseball. We will have to see. He has been consistently running 4.4 flat for awhile now. You said you have seen him, have you been there when he has run the 40? Or just on the football field. Did you see him against WOS on the 100 yard return. Nobody could catch him. He doesn't get alot kicked his way because most coaches have scouted him. The St. Louis Cardinals have contacted his dad so for a high school kid he must have something going. Watch him steal bases on the baseball field and then question his speed. He is getting alot of looks for baseball and not football because he is small. He has had some calls for football though. Many people here have asked why he is not on offense. He said it is because as a freshman he dropped alot of passes, but he's a senior now, I'd give him a try. [/quote]Just curious, where and when were the Official times that are better then Sezars? [/quote]Not real sure but can find out where that info comes from.

[quote name="Brubaker" post="1313229" timestamp="1351464442"] The Pope could be looking at him, I've seen him play, he's not even in the same zip code of 4.37, that's laughable.  And to use the PNG coaches as a reference is a joke, all my grandkids are the cutest too.  Kid is fast, maybe 4.5ish, and yes he should be getting touches on offense, why does your head coach who knows more than Bill Walsh himself not have the ball in his hands at least 4-5 times a game??? [/quote]Ok, so the info comes from the coaches and most of the kids that were there when he did it. He has been timed more than 8 times at that speed. Is it a combine type 40 with the laser watches, no, but it ain't that far off. He does have some official times in the 100 that are faster than Ceaser from LCM. He is running track this year and is expected to go to State. He didn't run track last year because he wanted to focus on baseball. We will have to see. He has been consistently running 4.4 flat for awhile now. You said you have seen him, have you been there when he has run the 40? Or just on the football field. Did you see him against WOS on the 100 yard return. Nobody could catch him. He doesn't get alot kicked his way because most coaches have scouted him. The St. Louis Cardinals have contacted his dad so for a high school kid he must have something going. Watch him steal bases on the baseball field and then question his speed. He is getting alot of looks for baseball and not football because he is small. He has had some calls for football though. Many people here have asked why he is not on offense. He said it is because as a freshman he dropped alot of passes, but he's a senior now, I'd give him a try.

[quote name="77" post="1312943" timestamp="1351435590"] 4.3? Better recalibrate that clock! [/quote]Call the Port Neches coaches....they are the ones that timed him. BTW, he is getting looked at by colleges just for his speed 'cause he ain't that big. Also, pro scouts for baseball have looked at him too. So yes he actuallly is getting alot of looks because of his speed. That is why many are frustrated for him just playing defense. One of Faircloths philosophy is to not play kids both ways, but sometimes you have exceptional kids that should go both ways...

[quote name="PNG Proud" post="1311690" timestamp="1351313532"] [quote author=Tim Riggins link=topic=105267.msg1311670#msg1311670 date=1351313007] PNG offensive linemen are huge!.. but [b]Rose appears to be the only offensive threat[/b].  Should be able to run behind that line. [/quote] It looks that way because the QB only acts like he's the only receiver on the field.  Not too hard to defend us when everyone in the stadium knows where the pass is going.  >:( [/quote]And Caleb Clark is nowhere to be seen on offense. I mean the kid has 4.37 speed in the 40 and just plays cornerback....I would want to get him the ball on offense, we've seen what he can do on a kick or punt return....

[quote name="IronMike" post="1311491" timestamp="1351308989"] Brad,Brad,Brad, call a spade a spade! They don't hit in practice and they have not since Faircloth has been there. He likes to make High School practice look like it's college or the pros. These kids are still trying to learn how to tackle. You must hit in practice! Offense is fancy and all but you must be able to play defense. Faircloth has proven nothing! PNG will never again have as much talent as they had his first year. The first 2 years he was loaded with talent. You cant win without a defense. Anyone that has coached or know these kids know that a power running game would benefit this group more than anything else. They do not have the skill player's to run this offense. Good coaches have to adjust to his talent just ask Larry Neumann. Faircloth bases everything on speed, there is some really good football player's on the bench but their not as fast as others but they will knock the piss out of you! Faircloth is more of a political guy than he is a coach. H e says what the parents and board members wants to hear. His defensive scheme is horrible! [/quote]I don't know if I agree completely on the talent thing. Sophmores, Freshman and 8th grade has some premier players. Kenell from the eighth grade has potential to play on varsity next year, although I don't know if he will, because he is one of those once in along time players that goes thru a program. Ask any of the coaches in our district.

[quote name="Cheermom4" post="1311459" timestamp="1351308449"] Congrats, Vidor  I still love my NDNS. As far as Burnett goes it was his time to go. He had a good run as Head Coach but it was time for a change. I also agree the tackling is horrible and they need to go back to basics. That one arm crap has got to go. Wrap him up and take em down. [/quote]Agree!!! And I might add swarm to the ball. Seems like there is alot of watching going on.

[quote name="badndn" post="1311449" timestamp="1351308293"] [quote author=FrodoNDN link=topic=105267.msg1311437#msg1311437 date=1351308107] Congrats to the pirates, now go on further than you did last year!!!! :D [/quote] Ditto. 1st round matchup could be yall's toughest in the region till the finals. Looks like either SC or Dayton. Good Luck. [/quote] :o :o :o :o don't wish that on anyone. BH played Dayton a tough game tonight

[quote name="badndn" post="1311439" timestamp="1351308169"] I agree the tackling has been poor this year especially. And our boys lost to a very good Dayton team last year, not some 4th place chumps. And it was one heck of a game. [/quote]It was.....kept saying...."Why didn't he just pass to Hanks, we were marching down the field" and didn't want to leave too much time for that freak of nature kicker..... :o

Congrats to the pirates, now go on further than you did last year!!!! :D

[quote name="badndn" post="1311370" timestamp="1351306955"] [quote author=FrodoNDN link=topic=105267.msg1311327#msg1311327 date=1351306356] [quote author=badndn link=topic=105267.msg1311265#msg1311265 date=1351305683] [quote author=jmoore link=topic=105267.msg1311255#msg1311255 date=1351305502] [quote author=badndn link=topic=105267.msg1311246#msg1311246 date=1351305416] Burnett is available...You liked him so much why havent either Vidor or Ned come a callin? Facts are facts...Burnett teams went to the playoffs once every four seasons...BF teams have gone three outta four. I'll take the 3 outta 4 anyday. [/quote] Burnett also took PNG to the State Championship....how long has it been before & after? [/quote] If you knew anything about PNG in 1999 you would know that had more to do with the Longs than Burnett. Take those two seasons outta Burnetts record book at PNG and its sub .500! (Fact) [/quote]Gotta be honest here Badndn, Faircloth stepped into a perfect storm on the Reservation coming in. The talent he had was just coming in its own. That talent pool ended last year where we were one and done and I believe with that team last year we should have been at least three deep. I knew this team did not have the talent pool as well as most people in PNG, so I was not expecting much. But, I am sorry our defense has been bad for the last 4 years. I contribute it to poor training of the basics. It is evident on the field. The kids are talented enough to get to a kid in the back field they should wrap up and bring him down or hold on at least and get help. That has not happened. It is what it is. The Nederland game last week gave me hope because I saw that kind of tackling, but maybe it was just Midcounty madness. I am not pushing Burnett or have I ever mentioned him. I am talking about the current set of coaches. Fundementals are not being worked on as I see it. [/quote] Burnett had a lot of that talent on the sidelines his last year and he blammed his last 3-7 team on lack of talent publicly might I add. BF took that same "untalented" group and went 11-1. Last years team was better than a one and done team, but It just so happened that with the stupid HS FB playoff rules the #2 team in 20-4A and #2 team in 19 4A met round 1. Gonna happen again this year. SC and Dayton will be playing Ned and Vidor in round 1 in some fashion. Meaning two very good teams will be going home, much like PNG last year (PNG defense was statistically ranked 2nd in 20 4A last year in ppg by the way). [/quote]Again I am not talking about Burnett. Have to admit our defense did better in district than predistrict last year, but that team was a special team and Dayton booted us early. But I am sorry I see it on the field. The tackling has been poor for awhile. Very evident this year.

[quote name="badndn" post="1311265" timestamp="1351305683"] [quote author=jmoore link=topic=105267.msg1311255#msg1311255 date=1351305502] [quote author=badndn link=topic=105267.msg1311246#msg1311246 date=1351305416] Burnett is available...You liked him so much why havent either Vidor or Ned come a callin? Facts are facts...Burnett teams went to the playoffs once every four seasons...BF teams have gone three outta four. I'll take the 3 outta 4 anyday. [/quote] Burnett also took PNG to the State Championship....how long has it been before & after? [/quote] If you knew anything about PNG in 1999 you would know that had more to do with the Longs than Burnett. Take those two seasons outta Burnetts record book at PNG and its sub .500! (Fact) [/quote]Gotta be honest here Badndn, Faircloth stepped into a perfect storm on the Reservation coming in. The talent he had was just coming in its own. That talent pool ended last year where we were one and done and I believe with that team last year we should have been at least three deep. I knew this team did not have the talent pool as well as most people in PNG, so I was not expecting much. But, I am sorry our defense has been bad for the last 4 years. I contribute it to poor training of the basics. It is evident on the field. The kids are talented enough to get to a kid in the back field they should wrap up and bring him down or hold on at least and get help. That has not happened. It is what it is. The Nederland game last week gave me hope because I saw that kind of tackling, but maybe it was just Midcounty madness. I am not pushing Burnett or have I ever mentioned him. I am talking about the current set of coaches. Fundementals are not being worked on as I see it.

[quote name="Piratediehard" post="1311137" timestamp="1351304137"] I'm sure the starters will get sat, but can PNG  stop 2nd or 3rd stringers.... I guess you would rather see a running clock. Dude it's football and running the football is not by any means trying to run up the score... Make a tackle... [/quote] That's the problem!!! No tackling drills in practice. Basics are not there!!! It is killing us. Driving me crazy!! The prove is shown on the field. Yes our talent is down, but these kids are not that bad.

Seems the sore has run up before half time....ugh this year is killing me.....poor guys been tuff for the boys as well....keep going guys, don't give up

[quote name="songone" post="1306268" timestamp="1350828507"] Will PNG make the playoffs this year? [/quote]Funny thing is that there is still an outside chance should we win out the rest of the games. Now here in the real world. Vidor next week....yikes!!! But, like they always say crazier things have happened ??? To be honest if we keep turning the ball over we just won't win...plain and simple....Again, I am for the Dogs to go the remainder of the way undefeated. If they do, does anyone know if they would go big school after district?

Good Lord people, we got beat by the better team last night. Take away the mistakes, I still think we would have lost. Is what it is. What I witnessed last night was the 2012 Indians. Mistakes, and by mistakes I mean ave 3 turnovers a game, all year have made the scores worse. First time I have seen the snapping go to crap though. But, I think we did better last night than in most games. I hope we win another game, but doesn't look good. I will be there cheering them on though. I hope Nederland goes to State. If PN-G can't go I will be pushing for the Dogs all the way. As far as Summer Creek, I think the dogs can take them. Defensive front would do good against that running back.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but the home side of NDN stadium holds aorund 6,000 and the visitor side holds around 4,000, somebody correct me if I am wrong here. So if you take the people left in the pic on the home side and move them to the visitor side it would look ALOT fuller. Also, people who don't know the traffic issues at this game really need to get a clue. We are losing pretty good at this point, so alot of people who come for the band leave early to beat the traffic. If the game was closer, no one would leave, I promise. And BTW, PNG band IMHO dominated half time, just saying for who ever made that comment. Although I think Nederland's military style band did a GREAT job!  ;D

[quote name="NDNation" post="1304317" timestamp="1350661498"] [quote author=baddog link=topic=104733.msg1304314#msg1304314 date=1350661165] Varsity is a whole 'nother animal. Anyone who is not aware of this fact does not know high school football. [/quote] I know, I know. If this team can stay intact and come up thru the ranks together...we should field a good group in a couple of years. [/quote]Agree....and wait 'til Kenale as a Freshman on varsity next year shows up....kids a freak of nature!!! I know its the future and I haven't given up on our Varsity boys yet! Stranger things have happened..... ;) Good luck NDN's!!!!

Smack talk is sooo much easier when your winning ;) As Kid Rock Says " It ain't bragging @#*! if you back it up" well NDN fans are laying low this year....we'll be back next year and for the next few years..... :P