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Neither do I... 8)

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1367160" timestamp="1359218452"] [quote author=NHS83LU87 link=topic=108406.msg1366952#msg1366952 date=1359166981] Just to clarify what qualifies as better multisport athletes?  I don't recall there ever being a lot of multisport athletes involved with Nederland basketball ever.  If it involves football, Nederland only had Forney that played football during Coach E.'s 3rd-6th years at Nederland and no one the first 2 years.  Chris Cunningham decided to play football his senior year so he was a basketball player who went and benefitted football and then came back to basketball.  He had Jordan, Josh Dean, and Jacob Pitts that played basketball and baseball during his first five years at Nederland.  Prior to Coach E. there were no multisport athletes playing basketball.  That issue is irrelevant and isn't indicative of Coach E but maybe how many athletes are discouraged by other coaches/parents not to play basketball due to it's conflict with the sport(s) they are most concerned with....I do agree Coach E's teams are more finesse and need to be more physical but that is a difference of philosophies.  It's unfortunate but typical for Nederland football loyalist to put down the athleticism of non-football playing athletes.  The truth is several players were repeatedly asked to play football which would indicate they were and are good athletes not lesser athlete because they choose to focus on one or two non-football sports.  I could be wrong but only 5 multisport athletes out of 7 seasons doesn't sound like a lot to me. This year I think Ozen and Central are better talent wise but Nederland still has the better coach with enough talent to win if they execute on any night.  I felt it would be a three way race and have not been disappointed.  Nederland can still finish anywhere from first to third and should be proud wherever they place in the top 3.  Now days, with 4 teams making the playoffs, it is not about winning district but making the playoffs and going as deep as possible.  I learned that from Nederland football;) [/quote][quote author=NHS83LU87 link=topic=108406.msg1366952#msg1366952 date=1359166981] Just to clarify what qualifies as better multisport athletes?  I don't recall there ever being a lot of multisport athletes involved with Nederland basketball ever.  If it involves football, Nederland only had Forney that played football during Coach E.'s 3rd-6th years at Nederland and no one the first 2 years.  Chris Cunningham decided to play football his senior year so he was a basketball player who went and benefitted football and then came back to basketball.  He had Jordan, Josh Dean, and Jacob Pitts that played basketball and baseball during his first five years at Nederland.  Prior to Coach E. there were no multisport athletes playing basketball.  That issue is irrelevant and isn't indicative of Coach E but maybe how many athletes are discouraged by other coaches/parents not to play basketball due to it's conflict with the sport(s) they are most concerned with....I do agree Coach E's teams are more finesse and need to be more physical but that is a difference of philosophies.  It's unfortunate but typical for Nederland football loyalist to put down the athleticism of non-football playing athletes.  The truth is several players were repeatedly asked to play football which would indicate they were and are good athletes not lesser athlete because they choose to focus on one or two non-football sports.  I could be wrong but only 5 multisport athletes out of 7 seasons doesn't sound like a lot to me. This year I think Ozen and Central are better talent wise but Nederland still has the better coach with enough talent to win if they execute on any night.  I felt it would be a three way race and have not been disappointed.  Nederland can still finish anywhere from first to third and should be proud wherever they place in the top 3.  Now days, with 4 teams making the playoffs, it is not about winning district but making the playoffs and going as deep as possible.  I learned that from Nederland football;) [/quote]Great Points! It's unheard of these days being a 'star' on football and being 'the man' on the basketball court while your team is winning district banners and playoff games. 20 years ago, kids didn't play a single sport year round like they do today. So if basketball is a kid's 2nd sport, he must work extra if he wants to be the man or start. Three years ago, Forney was the district's MVP in basketball as a JR. He was also a FB player. By the time his senior year rolled around, he was the 2nd best player on the bball team bc other kids (Kelvin Smith) played year around basketball and passed him up. Forney was still a great player, but he got passed up by Smith who was able to focus 100% of his time on basketball. Other than Doty (from PNG), I don't know of many kids who can be 'the man' at both sports. PNG finished fourth during Doty's senior year, but think how good they COULD have been had he dedicated all his time to basketball. They likely would NOT have been the 4th Pl team that year, and one and done in the playoffs. Other than that year, PNG has not been to the playoffs in basketball in 15 years or so. 8, 10, 15 years ago, the Ned basketball program was the same way; at the bottom of the district standings. I'm sure there were kids who starred on the football field AND was either the star or was a starter on the hardwood during that time. However, those team's finished district at 2-10, 4-8, 0-12, etc. If a kid plays FB and wants to be a key player in Bball, he has to put in the time and shoot, dribble, etc outside of the bball season. If they don't have the time or dedication to do so, then they cannot expect to be anything more than a role player. Some kids accept that, others cannot. I'm sure it would be difficult to be a star on the FB team, then come off the bench in bball. I'm glad Kimler has stuck with the bball program. He contributes when asked, and I think he is a great asset on the team. Obviously, the Nederland bball program has higher expectations than from years past. The talent level is no different, but many kids are dedicated to the program, and that's a reason the program is now EXPECTED to win. Weisbrod could easily play football and baseball and be very good at all three sports. However, I don't think he would be anywhere near as good in basketball had he chose to play all 3. He would still be a starter, but not nearly as dominating. That is a choice he made. Call us 'Homers' if you want, but when a program has only made one playoff appearance since 1955, and now is going every year AND winning district titles AND going 3/4 games deep in the playoffs, you can label us anything you want. I can remember losing to Beaumont and PA schools every year by 30,40,50 points. Nowadays days, when we lose to those teams by 5 or 10 points, Nederland suddenly 'has a problem'... ::) [/quote] David Green III was the star football player on both '10 and '11 teams and was 'the man' on those same basketball teams at Ozen...

[quote name="bcjag10" post="1367124" timestamp="1359210942"] [quote author=LCMBIGFan link=topic=108594.msg1367120#msg1367120 date=1359206468] Why was Central running the press with 1 min left?  Trying to run up the score????? [/quote]maybe Lee is trying to get his youngsters fine tuned. This is a young team that suffered a late breakdown Tuesday. [/quote] I'm willing to bet that bench players were in the game with a minute left.  I do know for a fact that our bench is pretty good. I can see Central still scoring points with them in the game.

[quote name="CATMAN" post="1367079" timestamp="1359174863"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108594.msg1367066#msg1367066 date=1359173798] [quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=108594.msg1367046#msg1367046 date=1359172422] Central a little mad? [/quote] I would think so.  Lol [/quote]  SOULJA u were not at the game. :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( [/quote] Nope.

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1367046" timestamp="1359172422"] Central a little mad? [/quote] I would think so.  Lol

We must have went to the bench and put #23 in.  Either that or #5 got hot...

Good deal!

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1366467" timestamp="1359058932"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=108474.msg1366458#msg1366458 date=1359057944] Be interested in hearing why Freeze is not the coach at Central??  Great team, just needs a great coach. [/quote] I'm surprised I haven't heard about an email protest to fire the coach. [/quote] ;D  well, you see it worked in football...  8)

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1366391" timestamp="1359045112"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108474.msg1366388#msg1366388 date=1359044520] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108474.msg1366379#msg1366379 date=1359043253] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108474.msg1366373#msg1366373 date=1359042461] So, is there no coaching involved in big tournament games or big district battles?  Is there no strategy involved in this?  So,  coaches and teams decide to coach ONLY when the playoffs begin?  I'm just trying to understand... [/quote] Believe it or not, Soulja, the playoffs are an ENTIRELY different animal..at ALL levels..You are not going to be able to out talent ANYONE, unless your team is just THAT much more superior talent wise, and Central is certainly not that.  They are young, and they are talented...BUT..When the playoffs hit, they will be exposed. Sorry, man, just calling it how I see it.  8) [/quote] Just playing devils advocate, man.  Remember, I wasn't the one screaming Central being state bound.  ;)  But you and I know that if you get hot and lucky  at the right time, good things can happen.  Isn't that what happened with the 99 Jags and the 07 Panthers? [/quote] In other words (from Souljah1) "yeah I hear yall but we got all this talent and been winning all this time. So we must be going to Austin. And remember, we beat Yates in the Fall League."  ::) ::) [/quote] Ey, YOU said it.  8)

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1366379" timestamp="1359043253"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108474.msg1366373#msg1366373 date=1359042461] So, is there no coaching involved in big tournament games or big district battles?  Is there no strategy involved in this?  So,  coaches and teams decide to coach ONLY when the playoffs begin?  I'm just trying to understand... [/quote] Believe it or not, Soulja, the playoffs are an ENTIRELY different animal..at ALL levels..You are not going to be able to out talent ANYONE, unless your team is just THAT much more superior talent wise, and Central is certainly not that.  They are young, and they are talented...BUT..When the playoffs hit, they will be exposed. Sorry, man, just calling it how I see it.  8) [/quote] Just playing devils advocate, man.  Remember, I wasn't the one screaming Central being state bound.  ;)  But you and I know that if you get hot and lucky  at the right time, good things can happen.  Isn't that what happened with the 99 Jags and the 07 Panthers?

Isn't medeocre coaching with superior talent vs. superior coaching with medeocre talent one in the same?

So, is there no coaching involved in big tournament games or big district battles?  Is there no strategy involved in this?  So,  coaches and teams decide to coach ONLY when the playoffs begin?  I'm just trying to understand...

I agree with everything you said....  Except ONE thing.  Catman makes NO sense. 8)

[quote name="CATMAN" post="1366308" timestamp="1359001187"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108516.msg1366243#msg1366243 date=1358984024] We're good  ;) [/quote] Think so blue dog. U no Central has a history of one and done I have seen them all and they were all on the lost side. CAN THEY GO TO THE SECOND ROUND. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(                                                                                                [/quote] A history of one  and done, huh?  When was the last time that Central have accomplished this feat?  How many times have this happened within  the last 5 years?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1366083" timestamp="1358949872"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108474.msg1366079#msg1366079 date=1358948913] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108474.msg1366075#msg1366075 date=1358947605] Ozen cranked it up a notch at the end and Central couldn't match it.  Ozen's spark was fueled from little Dove's cold hearted 3 in the 4th.  Momentum was shifted Ozen's way after that. [/quote] It's funny.  2 losses in recent memory  ( Dallas Madison and Ozen ) was in a game where we were reluctant to shoot the 3.  It wasn't like we were taking them end missed.  We maybe only attempted 1...and I do know we have some pretty good shooters on this team.  In games like the one last night, you can help your team out by ATTEMPTING the 3 ball.  We needed a  loss like this to humble the team.  Hopefully, a lesson was learned and we'll be ready if a similar situation presents itself in the playoffs. [/quote]I didn't see any @##### in Central players as far as their ********. The guards *******for my little cousin (Wilridge) on the block. Not a person in district can stop him on ***********. I better not give too much info, we might have to play yall again. ;D [/quote] We'll look forward to it. 8)

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1366082" timestamp="1358949805"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108474.msg1366079#msg1366079 date=1358948913] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108474.msg1366075#msg1366075 date=1358947605] Ozen cranked it up a notch at the end and Central couldn't match it.  Ozen's spark was fueled from little Dove's cold hearted 3 in the 4th.  Momentum was shifted Ozen's way after that. [/quote] It's funny.  2 losses in recent memory  ( Dallas Madison and Ozen ) was in a game where we were reluctant to shoot the 3.  It wasn't like we were taking them end missed.  We maybe only attempted 1...and I do know we have some pretty good shooters on this team.  In games like the one last night, you can help your team out by ATTEMPTING the 3 ball.  We needed a  loss like this to humble the team.  Hopefully, a lesson was learned and we'll be ready if a similar situation presents itself in the playoffs. [/quote]In Central's games Vs. LCM and Ned, the Jags only made one 3 in each game. I would guess central did not take more than 3-3s against us last Friday night? Central doesn't need to shoot many 3's to win, IMO. [/quote] Yes, true.  With all that said, Central still had ample opportunities to win in both regulation and overtime.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1366075" timestamp="1358947605"] Ozen cranked it up a notch at the end and Central couldn't match it.  Ozen's spark was fueled from little Dove's cold hearted 3 in the 4th.  Momentum was shifted Ozen's way after that. [/quote] It's funny.  2 losses in recent memory  ( Dallas Madison and Ozen ) was in a game where we were reluctant to shoot the 3.  It wasn't like we were taking them end missed.  We maybe only attempted 1...and I do know we have some pretty good shooters on this team.  In games like the one last night, you can help your team out by ATTEMPTING the 3 ball.  We needed a  loss like this to humble the team.  Hopefully, a lesson was learned and we'll be ready if a similar situation presents itself in the playoffs.

Ozen cranked it up a notch at the end and Central couldn't match it.  Ozen's spark was fueled from little Dove's cold hearted 3 in the 4th.  Momentum was shifted Ozen's way after that.

[quote name="TopFlight" post="1366014" timestamp="1358915026"] Soulja I was to my end with this game..we couldn't rebound for nothing. .gotta fix that asap. .. [/quote] Y'all will be alright.  You can't expect to win rebounding battles with taller teams.  Your strength it's quickness and guard play.  Tall will win many more games with that.

[quote name="TopFlight" post="1365995" timestamp="1358913061"] As I predicted double digits. .. 8) ;) ;D :'( [/quote] Yes, you were right.  The score ballooned in overtime because Ozen kept making their free throed.  Good teams do this.  Congrats to Ozen from this Jag.  Time to get back to the basics...

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1365984" timestamp="1358912327"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108474.msg1365978#msg1365978 date=1358911949] Jags - 49 Panthers - 61 final - ot [/quote] only 1 pt in OT? wow! [/quote] That's what missing free throws and silly turnovers will do.  Ozen thrived on the transition game all night.  In ot, they couldn't miss from the line.  Congrats.  They capitalized on every mistake we made tonight.

Jags - 49 Panthers - 61 final - ot

Jags - 48 Panthers - 48 Overtime!

Jags - 39 Panthers - 36 End of the third period

Jags - 26 Panther - 26 Halftime Dunk-o-meter - 1-0 Central (For Stevenash)