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[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1195095" timestamp="1331325322"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=97341.msg1195058#msg1195058 date=1331321694] [quote author=sleepy link=topic=97341.msg1195052#msg1195052 date=1331321296] You are not getting my point.  What I am saying is some of these 1a and 2a teams could give those two a game if not beat them.  So if the 1a 2a teams that can compete with mighty ozen and central than that must not be "real" basketball either! [/quote]By you stating that Ozen and Central are 'mighty' and no one made mention of them but you tells me a lot.  ::) ::) As I've said before, We're not talking about Central or Ozen (seems you're obsessed with talking about them.  Heck, in this conversation, we're not even talking about Silsbee or H-J).  BD3 made mention of calling the Yates/Kimbal and Marcus/Travis games 'real' games.  I agreed.  So, do you understand now? [/quote] What makes them 'real games'? [b]The fact that they are more 'athletic' meaning they are better teams?? [/b] We've heard that all year long. We even had a thread discussing what factors make a HS kid 'good'. It seems that if one is not 'athletic', then he's not a very good bball player in some's opinions. [/quote]Well, you're the one that said it.  ;D ;D 8) 8)

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1195080" timestamp="1331324019"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=97341.msg1195069#msg1195069 date=1331323272] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=97341.msg1195062#msg1195062 date=1331322249] My question to those who don't believe that "real" basketball is played in the 2A/1A ranks: Did you watch any of the "fake" basketball games in the 1A ranks either yesterday or today? [/quote]No.  I actually didn't get a chance to see any games and I won't be able to see the 'real' games either.  I never did call the lower class games fake.  It's really simply a preference.  I prefer the bigger school games in general, therefore, I agreed to BD3 as in calling them 'real'. [/quote] Well, if they aren't "real," then by definition, they must be "fake", right?  Don't make me pull out Websters on ya, Soulja!  ;D [/quote]Please don't pull it out, Mr. Google!  ;D ;D.  Small schools are not 'fake', but rather not real.  It's somewhere in the middle...  but not fake.  ;)

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1195075" timestamp="1331323727"] [quote author=sleepy link=topic=97341.msg1195060#msg1195060 date=1331321977] I agree with you.  However by saying the real games implies that the other ones are not.  That bothers me obviously.  I understand that central and ozen are not brought up.  But I brought them up because you and dove are fans of theirs and I was simply making a point.  If you think that is "real" basketball than so are the 1a and 2a state tournament games. [/quote] You've never heard me say Ozen , Central , or HJ is mighty or real basketball  :D I'm referring to Kimball, Ft. bEND Travis, etc, These schools have players who may be future NBA stars. Kentucky ain't looking at no players from White Oak, Clarksville, and whatever other school in 1-a, 2-a, etc. [/quote]....  and your response is.....?

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1195067" timestamp="1331322987"] "Real" games. ::) This is my 41st straight state tourney. Trust me, "real" basketball is played in all classifications. I think I have seen enough state championship basketball over the last 40 years to qualify my statement. [/quote]It doesn't count.  You're a football guy!  ;D ;)

[quote name="ST413" post="1195066" timestamp="1331322947"] There may be more talent in those games but it doesn't make it anymore real basketball.  Heck rhert may not even be as competetive as the other games.  I remember past conversations about pressing not being a part of the game at the college or pro levels so how then can a Yates game  be more 'real' basketball. [/quote]There are college teams that press.  I just want that to be known.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1195062" timestamp="1331322249"] My question to those who don't believe that "real" basketball is played in the 2A/1A ranks: Did you watch any of the "fake" basketball games in the 1A ranks either yesterday or today? [/quote]No.  I actually didn't get a chance to see any games and I won't be able to see the 'real' games either.  I never did call the lower class games fake.  It's really simply a preference.  I prefer the bigger school games in general, therefore, I agreed to BD3 as in calling them 'real'.

[quote name="sleepy" post="1195060" timestamp="1331321977"] I agree with you.  However by saying the real games implies that the other ones are not.  That bothers me obviously.  I understand that central and ozen are not brought up.  But I brought them up because you and dove are fans of theirs and I was simply making a point.  If you think that is "real" basketball than so are the 1a and 2a state tournament games. [/quote]Way to clear that up.  ::) ::) .  However, that's my opinion and obviously his as well.  I like basketball (even small school hoops), but I prefer the 'real' games.  Sorry to hurt your sensitive feelings.

[quote name="sleepy" post="1195052" timestamp="1331321296"] You are not getting my point.  What I am saying is some of these 1a and 2a teams could give those two a game if not beat them.  So if the 1a 2a teams that can compete with mighty ozen and central than that must not be "real" basketball either! [/quote]By you stating that Ozen and Central are 'mighty' and no one made mention of them but you tells me a lot.  ::) ::) As I've said before, We're not talking about Central or Ozen (seems you're obsessed with talking about them.  Heck, in this conversation, we're not even talking about Silsbee or H-J).  BD3 made mention of calling the Yates/Kimbal and Marcus/Travis games 'real' games.  I agreed.  So, do you understand now?

[quote name="sleepy" post="1195044" timestamp="1331320810"] It is so funny to see you guys say this.  There are other people in this world.  Remember Shaquille O'Neal played on one of those teams that wasn't playing "real" basketball.  So did Joseph Jones.  Alot of these teams that are not playing "real" basketball could give central and ozen games. [/quote]Who said anything about Ozen or Central?  This topic was created from the state tourney games and I don't think that Ozen or Central are one of the state simifinalists.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1195011" timestamp="1331318847"] [quote author=sleepy link=topic=97278.msg1195005#msg1195005 date=1331318241] Worthless?  You have two guys saying that the smaller school games aren't real games.  Come on buddy! [/quote] Would you rather keep up with Concordia College vs Howard Payne or Louisville vs UT? [/quote]BD3, check the new thread that was created.  This current thead is reserved for AAW's state tourney updates...

This topic was brought up from the State Tourney games today wich were lower classifications.  We called them 'not real'.  Thoughts?

Save this thread for the State tourney updates.  Let's get back on topic here... This is an interesting topic.  I'll make a thread about this. 

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1194971" timestamp="1331315253"] Yeah, I'm ready for the real games :o [/quote]I second that.

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1194879" timestamp="1331310082"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=97120.msg1194861#msg1194861 date=1331308509] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97120.msg1194857#msg1194857 date=1331308186] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=97120.msg1194784#msg1194784 date=1331304304] [quote author=homeless link=topic=97120.msg1193929#msg1193929 date=1331170568] [quote author=5gallonbucket link=topic=97120.msg1192523#msg1192523 date=1330971268] wow is all i can say about coach of the year. I believe English should have gotten this.  Had less to work with, lost alot of seniors and no one expected them to do as good as they did. [/quote] Yes, English.....and not even a close call [/quote]Explain. [/quote] More with less....simple. It should have not even been CLOSE...Brian English is THE coach of the year in 20-4A...Nothing to do with standings as much as accomplishment...I think the HF coach should have been COY in that district, and they came in 3rd... [/quote]I agree with you on that Central's coaching staff have been lackluster for most of the year.  but 2 out of 3 wins, it appeared that the Nederland Staff was outcoached.  2 out of 3  against a superior coaching staff?  What does that say? [/quote] Lackluster?? Heck Soulja, u have been tearing up Ur coach all year! Now u are defending him as to why he deserved COTY?? Does 1 or 2 games in which Central wins overlook the other games when u told all of us he just sits there with no plan? Help me understand, bc I am confused?? ??? DV's point (and others, but they are not credible like DV ;) ) is that central was expected to win Distrixt with all the talent returning from last year (including a top 3 player in Smith) and Nederland lost EVERyTHING from last year except 2 letterman who were Fresh and Soph last year. So English did MORE with LESS! [/quote]Key words...  Devil's advocate.  ;D . Only saying that I can understand why he was selected.  He did step to the plate 2 times against a superior coaching staff...  for whatever that's worth.  Now, the other games....  May have sucked. 

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1194865" timestamp="1331308871"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=97120.msg1194861#msg1194861 date=1331308509] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97120.msg1194857#msg1194857 date=1331308186] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=97120.msg1194784#msg1194784 date=1331304304] [quote author=homeless link=topic=97120.msg1193929#msg1193929 date=1331170568] [quote author=5gallonbucket link=topic=97120.msg1192523#msg1192523 date=1330971268] wow is all i can say about coach of the year. I believe English should have gotten this.  Had less to work with, lost alot of seniors and no one expected them to do as good as they did. [/quote] Yes, English.....and not even a close call [/quote]Explain. [/quote] More with less....simple. It should have not even been CLOSE...Brian English is THE coach of the year in 20-4A...Nothing to do with standings as much as accomplishment...I think the HF coach should have been COY in that district, and they came in 3rd... [/quote]I agree with you on that Central's coaching staff have been lackluster for most of the year.  but 2 out of 3 wins, it appeared that the Nederland Staff was outcoached.  2 out of 3  against a superior coaching staff?  What does that say? [/quote] I think those two wins had more to do with personnel, than being "outcoached"...Central SHOULD have had three HUGE wins against Nederland...It was one loss, and two games that could have gone either way but the Central players imposed their will at home against them and just refused to lose...There was no REAL game plan to beat them, you know that...He didn't take away anything that Nederland does...Heck, they don't even watch FILM at Central! Nederland had no business being in the gym with Central OR Ozen...But they beat them both, at one point of the year, which put them out front in the standings before talent took over... [/quote]In the big 15 point win at Central in district, there was a game plan believe it or not.  the nondistrict tourney game at Nederland when only about 7 or 8 players suited up for Central, there was a game plan and decent coaching that went on. 

I'm playing devil's advocate here.  I do think that Nederland, overall, have the better coaching staff.  But what I'm saying is I can see why the Central HC was chosen.  Others on here are saying they don't see how.  My point is give the man a LITTLE credit.  Not saying slop him over with all the praise or credit, but just a little.  8)

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1194857" timestamp="1331308186"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=97120.msg1194784#msg1194784 date=1331304304] [quote author=homeless link=topic=97120.msg1193929#msg1193929 date=1331170568] [quote author=5gallonbucket link=topic=97120.msg1192523#msg1192523 date=1330971268] wow is all i can say about coach of the year. I believe English should have gotten this.  Had less to work with, lost alot of seniors and no one expected them to do as good as they did. [/quote] Yes, English.....and not even a close call [/quote]Explain. [/quote] More with less....simple. It should have not even been CLOSE...Brian English is THE coach of the year in 20-4A...Nothing to do with standings as much as accomplishment...I think the HF coach should have been COY in that district, and they came in 3rd... [/quote]I agree with you on that Central's coaching staff have been lackluster for most of the year.  but 2 out of 3 wins, it appeared that the Nederland Staff was outcoached.  2 out of 3  against a superior coaching staff?  What does that say?

[quote name="homeless" post="1193929" timestamp="1331170568"] [quote author=5gallonbucket link=topic=97120.msg1192523#msg1192523 date=1330971268] wow is all i can say about coach of the year. I believe English should have gotten this.  Had less to work with, lost alot of seniors and no one expected them to do as good as they did. [/quote] Yes, English.....and not even a close call [/quote]Explain.

Typical small school ball.  ;D ;D  ;) ;)

[quote name="ozensfinest" post="1193873" timestamp="1331163391"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=97120.msg1193580#msg1193580 date=1331092439] [quote author=ozensfinest link=topic=97120.msg1193451#msg1193451 date=1331074267] Good to see K Smith got MVP...don't think he lived up to the hype he was getting coming out of middle school [/quote]I think he did, although i did feel like he could have been way better than he ended up. [/quote] I wouldn't say that...when you talk about some of the best to come through BMT or even central he definitely wouldn't be in those discussions...I mean he was getting all types of hype coming out of middle school...I know what the problem was though he didn't go to ozen hahaahhahahah ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote]So he could have done better and studied under Seveat?  He would have been in the same situation.  Actually, Smith had a darn good career at Central and improved every year to where he is now...  The best in 20-4a and in the top 3 in Southeast texas.

[quote name="ozensfinest" post="1193451" timestamp="1331074267"] Good to see K Smith got MVP...don't think he lived up to the hype he was getting coming out of middle school [/quote]I think he did, although i did feel like he could have been way better than he ended up.

1A DI Clarksville vs. Olton winner Clarksville Mumford vs. Kerens winner Mumford Champion:Clarksville 1A DII Lennorah Grady vs. Graford Winner Lennorah Grady Roxton vs. Calvert winner Calvert Champion:Calvert 2A San Antonio Cole vs. Brock winner San Antonio Cole White Oak vs. Idalou winner Idalou Champion:Idalou 3A Lubbock Estacado vs. Argyle winner Lubbock Estacado Waco La Vega vs. Corpus Christi Miller winner Waco La Vega Champion:Waco La Vega 4A San Antonio Alamo Heights vs. Dallas Kimball winner Dallas Kimball Houston Yates vs. Denton Ryan winner Houston Yates Champion:Houston Yates 5A Northside Warren vs. Fort Bend Travis winner Fort Bend Travis Flower Mound Marcus vs. Garland Naaman Forest winner Flower Mound Marcus Champions: Flower Mound Marcus Tiebreaker: Houston Yates/Denton Ryan total points:150

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[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1192708" timestamp="1330986708"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=97121.msg1192706#msg1192706 date=1330986617] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=97121.msg1192679#msg1192679 date=1330984516] 2 out of the 3 meeting, 'someone' brought their thinking cap and actually outdid the other guy on the other baseline.  If the 2 only times he decided to coach gets you 2 wins and a co-district championship and a win against the obvious choice, then in a sense him getting this recognition is warrented. [/quote] I think Coach English did the best with what he had to work with and most coaches could not accomplish this feat. Coach English got my vote. [/quote] Please take the 20-4A talk to the 20-4A thread.  Thanks!!! [/quote]My bad, Lazeek.  I fell for the rope-a-dope. 

Nope, wasn't me or anyone I know.