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[quote name="stevenash" post="1173362" timestamp="1328625126"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=95474.msg1173355#msg1173355 date=1328624330] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95474.msg1173349#msg1173349 date=1328623945] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=95474.msg1173156#msg1173156 date=1328566743] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95474.msg1173145#msg1173145 date=1328565789] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=95474.msg1173124#msg1173124 date=1328564017] Nederland has 1 player that can create his own shot, and he's one of their bigs.  The other player is a perimeter player,  but he cannot create his shot.  He can finish on fast breaks, but in the half court game, he relies on screens and picks and shoots off of them.  The rest of the team are spot up shooters.  One of the starters is neither one as he is on the defensive stoper for the team, but he is also the shortest player on the team. [/quote] You paint the picture as though they have so many liabilities.  If so, how is their record what it is?  Furthermore, I think you are over enamored with "creating your own shot".  THere are a lot more "creators" out there than there are scorers.  When we played your team, I can promise you that one of the largest problems you had was one player trying to "create" too often.  As for the spot up shooters, if they are good ones, they have the ability to remove the defenders from helping out at all.  Didn't Bobby KNight pretty well document the fact that you dont need a lot of one on one expertise to have a good team? [/quote]We lost to your team, H-J because we couldn't/didn't have a consistant 3 point shooting game, which we do have now.  Even you made that observation I believe. [/quote] I remember making the comment about poor three point shooting but I am pretty confident I did not list it as the reason you lost the game.  You lost the game because a better team beat you and there is no way you can re-write history.  If you can, then I want to claim that we shouldnt have lost our first game at Silsbee.  Your very own comments about that game included a criticism of the coaching staff and mine included a comment about your top player doing too much 1 on 1.  Whatever shortcomings Central has corrected by now would indicate that whatever shortcomings HJ had has been corrected by now. [/quote]I can roll with that. [/quote] I will be sending your new dunk-o-meter to you today. [/quote]Well, tonight, I'll need more than one since the one that will be there will probably short circuit due to accessive numbers.  It would appear the same thing will happen when the Hawks soar in as well.  8)

[quote name="besbolbenbedygud" post="1173351" timestamp="1328624187"] If the program were headed in the right direction, do you think Stump would be in Atascosita?  Why have a Stump guy,  when you could have had Stump himself? If it were only local guys in the mix, then choose the best one and let's go to work. Reality is you have a better choice now in the deck. It's the experiance [/quote]Leave it up to 'some', it is still 'uncertain' why Stump left, even though there were articles stating why.  I just think that if Stump have been grooming these guys, I don't see why it would be a hard transition for the kids.  They will run the same system.  The kids have familiarity.  I think it's a win/win situation for the kids, which is what is important. 

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1173352" timestamp="1328624195"] Central's inconsistency lies with their defensive play. If they play defense like they did against Nederland the last time, they are a very good team. It takes the pressure off of their offense and not having to force the issue as much on that end. IMO, it's all about their defensive play that makes the Jags good. BTW, I too think Nederland is a very good team and extremely well coached. But, my observation I think is a very clear one on what their weakness is and every team has some sort of weakness no matter how good they are. [/quote] Karma +2 once again. 

[quote name="stevenash" post="1173349" timestamp="1328623945"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=95474.msg1173156#msg1173156 date=1328566743] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95474.msg1173145#msg1173145 date=1328565789] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=95474.msg1173124#msg1173124 date=1328564017] Nederland has 1 player that can create his own shot, and he's one of their bigs.  The other player is a perimeter player,  but he cannot create his shot.  He can finish on fast breaks, but in the half court game, he relies on screens and picks and shoots off of them.  The rest of the team are spot up shooters.  One of the starters is neither one as he is on the defensive stoper for the team, but he is also the shortest player on the team. [/quote] You paint the picture as though they have so many liabilities.  If so, how is their record what it is?  Furthermore, I think you are over enamored with "creating your own shot".  THere are a lot more "creators" out there than there are scorers.  When we played your team, I can promise you that one of the largest problems you had was one player trying to "create" too often.  As for the spot up shooters, if they are good ones, they have the ability to remove the defenders from helping out at all.  Didn't Bobby KNight pretty well document the fact that you dont need a lot of one on one expertise to have a good team? [/quote]We lost to your team, H-J because we couldn't/didn't have a consistant 3 point shooting game, which we do have now.  Even you made that observation I believe. [/quote] I remember making the comment about poor three point shooting but I am pretty confident I did not list it as the reason you lost the game.  You lost the game because a better team beat you and there is no way you can re-write history.  If you can, then I want to claim that we shouldnt have lost our first game at Silsbee.  Your very own comments about that game included a criticism of the coaching staff and mine included a comment about your top player doing too much 1 on 1.  Whatever shortcomings Central has corrected by now would indicate that whatever shortcomings HJ had has been corrected by now. [/quote]I can roll with that.

[quote name="Trocket" post="1173285" timestamp="1328586030"] Livingston as I've heard so far: Week O: College Park Week 1: Dayton Week 2: TBA Week 3: Silsbee [/quote]It'll probably be those teams with Livingston getting the bye week in week 3 like every other team in 20-4a.

[quote name="besbolbenbedygud" post="1173213" timestamp="1328575771"] #1a:  it's always nice of PA to show deep hearted concern for WB.  That's real love!!  ;D #1b: Place all resumes side by side.  They can't touch Langstons experience.  All of the guys are great and I hope they all become head coaches someday. But at this time a hire within would show Bisd is content with where WB is headed. (and where they are stearing it) I'm sure your content in PA as well with your first win in 6 try's. + Chuck is just as much in it for the kids as any other. #1c:  it's my opinion your welcome to your own.  BISD will ultimately choose from the cards they have been dealt. I personally feel Chuck is the better card.  If there is another.... Let's discuss.... #2Chuck was at TVCC from '99 to '02 [/quote]Are you saying that you are not confortable with brining in a guy that was on Stump's coaching staff to steer the program in the 'right' direction?  Aren't those Stump's guys? 

[quote name="vp32" post="1173226" timestamp="1328577297"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=95532.msg1173003#msg1173003 date=1328555720] Brooks Ybarra - Barbers Hill R. Donahoe - H-J [b]Noah Cole - Vidor[/b] Ashton Hall - Kountze [/quote] OMG i almost forgot about him. I played with that dude in high school and years before. He was the best shooter i've seen come through Vidor in a while. [/quote]Yes, Cole was a starting underclassmen on that senior laden Vidor team that Beat Ozen 3 times in 1 year.  After all of those seniors left, Cole came into his own as a clutch player.  Although that team really wasn't as good as the year before, Cole commanded attention close to the end of games.

Predicted dunkometer count. WO-S - 1, which sparks H-J - 3

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1173151" timestamp="1328566570"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95474.msg1173145#msg1173145 date=1328565789] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=95474.msg1173124#msg1173124 date=1328564017] Nederland has 1 player that can create his own shot, and he's one of their bigs.  The other player is a perimeter player,  but he cannot create his shot.  He can finish on fast breaks, but in the half court game, he relies on screens and picks and shoots off of them.  The rest of the team are spot up shooters.  One of the starters is neither one as he is on the defensive stoper for the team, but he is also the shortest player on the team. [/quote] You paint the picture as though they have so many liabilities.  If so, how is their record what it is?  Furthermore, I think you are over enamored with "creating your own shot".  THere are a lot more "creators" out there than there are scorers.  When we played your team, I can promise you that one of the largest problems you had was one player trying to "create" too often.  As for the spot up shooters, if they are good ones, they have the ability to remove the defenders from helping out at all.  Didn't Bobby KNight pretty well document the fact that you dont need a lot of one on one expertise to have a good team? [/quote] It's rather comical that some on this board cannot accept Nederland's style of play as being good. Ned loses one game, and suddenly we are just not that good.  ::) Let them continue trying to break down our team, and we'll just continue winning games.  ;) [/quote]No, no, no.  Make no mistake, they're good.  I never denied that at all.  They are #1 inthe district for a reason. They are good at what they do.  All I did was just broke down what I see in this Nederland team.  I'm sure that some of you have broken down my team after seeing them a few times. 

[quote name="stevenash" post="1173145" timestamp="1328565789"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=95474.msg1173124#msg1173124 date=1328564017] Nederland has 1 player that can create his own shot, and he's one of their bigs.  The other player is a perimeter player,  but he cannot create his shot.  He can finish on fast breaks, but in the half court game, he relies on screens and picks and shoots off of them.  The rest of the team are spot up shooters.  One of the starters is neither one as he is on the defensive stoper for the team, but he is also the shortest player on the team. [/quote] You paint the picture as though they have so many liabilities.  If so, how is their record what it is?  Furthermore, I think you are over enamored with "creating your own shot".  THere are a lot more "creators" out there than there are scorers.  When we played your team, I can promise you that one of the largest problems you had was one player trying to "create" too often.  As for the spot up shooters, if they are good ones, they have the ability to remove the defenders from helping out at all.  Didn't Bobby KNight pretty well document the fact that you dont need a lot of one on one expertise to have a good team? [/quote]We lost to your team, H-J because we couldn't/didn't have a consistant 3 point shooting game, which we do have now.  Even you made that observation I believe. 

Nederland has 1 player that can create his own shot, and he's one of their bigs.  The other player is a perimeter player,  but he cannot create his shot.  He can finish on fast breaks, but in the half court game, he relies on screens and picks and shoots off of them.  The rest of the team are spot up shooters.  One of the starters is neither one as he is on the defensive stoper for the team, but he is also the shortest player on the team.

[quote name="uandme08" post="1173077" timestamp="1328558690"] [quote author=pete092775 link=topic=95474.msg1173057#msg1173057 date=1328557534] Ozen boys are so pumped knowing that Nederland is beatable. They realize that if central can do it they can too. But they want to put all doubts aside about who the best is Ozen wants to prove a point whipping Nederland down. [/quote] Wait a minute Pete092775, pump your brakes just a little lol...I love my PANTHERS all the same but still want to take on Livingston 1st [/quote]LOL!  He must be a player!  ;D

[quote name="pete092775" post="1173014" timestamp="1328556148"] dont back out now soulja the weakest link always breaks first under pressure. 8) [/quote]It was the weakest link Friday, but as a whole, I would say that Nederland's coaching staff is superior than Central and Ozen's anyday.  Had Nederland's staff made an adjustment and it worked, Central's staff wouldn't have made a good in game adjustment.  MAYBE they would have made one at halftime or something like that.  I've seen it too many times this year.  Ozen's?  I don't know.  They made decent coaching moves from what I've seen.

[quote name="pete092775" post="1172983" timestamp="1328554435"] ching ching ching ching Soulja you got the million dollar question right. The weakest link is exactly that Mr.E cant adjust on the fly. ;) [/quote]I wouldn't say that he CAN'T make adjustments (I've seen him make in game adjustments plenty of times), but he didn't make any adjustments inthe Central game Friday for some reason.

Brooks Ybarra - Barbers Hill R. Donahoe - H-J Noah Cole - Vidor Ashton Hall - Kountze

[quote name="pete092775" post="1172949" timestamp="1328552827"] Aggies sounds like Central just studied the first game and learn there weak link that i have been talking about. Guess Central just out coached the Nederland coach cant run the same offense for ever got to learn to adjust. 8) [/quote]It really would have been interesting to see IF Nederland would have made an adjustment.  We're not good at in game adjustments.

Mario Riley - Central '07 (he won that slam dunk tourney they had at the Montagne Center in 2005.  That's the one where all the area kids participated in the 3 point shootout and stuff. )

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1172930" timestamp="1328551971"] Fact, I have seen enough of Nederland this year to know that they are a great "spot" shooting team. Pass the ball to shooter, spots up and hits three pointer or just inside line. What is their weakness is having to create their own shots. Nederland really only has two guys that can do that consistently. What Central did was defend the spot shot and forced Nederland to put the ball on the floor and shoot off the dribble. Central forced them into their weakness. Why Central did not do this the first game in district (I was there) is beyond me. Central defended much better this time around. [/quote]Preach, AAW! 2+ karma for you, Sir!

[quote name="east texas bb" post="1172917" timestamp="1328551601"] Why didnt Central's defense MAKE Nedrland shoot that low of  percentage the first time they played? [/quote]We (Central) BEAT Nederland the 'first time'.  The second time (I think this is what you are talking about), Nederland turned it up a notch in the 4th period and WE couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Also, our Staff brains were not placed on the charger before the game as well.  ;D

Man, Livingston only mustered 30 points against Lumberton.  I'm not being a comedian, but have you seen Lumberton?

Remember, guys, Nederland didn't just shoot 22% from the field.  They were FORCED into that percentage.  Nederland was bothered by Centrals fans close outs and length. Nederland also for some reason, wasn't as trigger happy as they normally are.  They were chased off of their spots all night.  All this being said and Central didn't use a full or half court press the entire game.  Credit should be given to Central for the great game plan.  Now free throw?  Central was horrible. THAT falls on the team (Central). 

[quote name="pete092775" post="1172847" timestamp="1328546683"] Ya two years is a good streak but after that blow out by central. Ozen realized the weak links in Nederland and plan on showing the rest of the district just how bad nederland can be beat. And I do stand corrected I was advised that it isnt point difference that they will play to break the three way tie. Not only once will central an ozen blow out nederland but get to humilate them again in those games too. 8) [/quote]I'll take the W over the humiliation.  Get the W is all it's about.

[quote name="STiger85" post="1172835" timestamp="1328545818"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=95474.msg1172826#msg1172826 date=1328545044] I sat next to the Ozen Coaches/scouts that were watching Nederland.  Let's just say that the things that I saw that we did good as far as beating Nederland, they saw way more than I saw and they will be ready.  Now the Scouts had a game plan.  Now if the coach will actually follow through is another thing. [/quote] It took two years to find a way to beat Nederland? [/quote]I guess it did.  And it took 2 years to put a team on the court that beat them twice in one year with a team that starts 3 freshmen.  I'd say it have been long overdue and worth the wait.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1172828" timestamp="1328545117"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=95474.msg1172826#msg1172826 date=1328545044] I sat next to the Ozen Coaches/scouts that were watching Nederland.  Let's just say that the things that I saw that we did good as far as beating Nederland, they saw way more than I saw and they will be ready.  Now the Scouts had a game plan.  Now if the coach will actually follow through is another thing. [/quote] Game plans are great but they still must be executed by the players.  The coaches can only do so much. [/quote]True.  So very true.  And also, Ozen don't have a player like Smith, so it may be a little difficult for them to successfully pull off the identical game plan as Central did.

I sat next to the Ozen Coaches/scouts that were watching Nederland.  Let's just say that the things that I saw that we did good as far as beating Nederland, they saw way more than I saw and they will be ready.  Now the Scouts had a game plan.  Now if the coach will actually follow through is another thing.