BMTSoulja1

Have it ever occured to you that kids change from middle school to high school? You have coaches looking at the 6'1" athletic 8th grader when in reality, the skinny 5'4" kid will end of being the superstar in HS. While size offers an advantage, it isn't everything. The program, the kids, and the coaching are what make up a good football team. Because of the structure of BISD, it's hard to put together a program and it's even harder to predict which kids each high school will get. And PN-G's problem was its program for all those years. The Beaumont coaches have a struggle no matter what. I honestly believe that Central's run at the playoffs last year was a lucky streak, and what I mean by that is that they had the right combination of players and coaching, but such a combination is rare in a district like BISD. The fact that they had that combination last year was a stroke of good luck, a rare one at that. Every now and then, Ozen, Central, and Westbrook will have one or two consecutive playoff runs, but, because of the structure of the district, won't be able to sustain long term results. You need a tiny big of luck along the way for any kind of state or long playoff run. This goes for all teams in all classifications that have deep runs. I'm not buying most of what you're saying. Especially about your 'lucky streak' comment. I suppose I should be more clear. It's not that Central got to the playoffs and made that run on luck alone. It had the two of the big three components: kids and coaching. It was lacking in the program sector, which is understandable because of BISD's structure. When you've only got two of the three needed components, you'll have some success, but it'll be hard to sustain that success from year to year. Central won't be able to sustain its success over the years without a program, and you can't really build a program in a district like BISD. It'll have some spurts here and there, but no solid, sustained success. The same goes for Ozen and Westbrook. BISD's structure. Success here and there. Spurts. I think you have listen to some older guys (who knows nothing) to come up with this. If Central or any BISD school is a hit an miss deal, then what the heck is PN-G? They appear to be the same way. They had a brilliant '99 season with Long at the helm and made it to state. Since then, what have they done playoff wise? I remember. They lost to the eventual state champions (Lamar Consolidated) a few years ago. So I guess it's safe to question PN-G's 'structure' and say that they are less than a hit and miss and only do good in 'spurts'. PN-G's problem was its program. Much like Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, PN-G had a good coaching staff and good kids, but a bad program. Much like Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, the combination of the first two components provided for some spurts (which depended more on the kids our team had from year to year than anything else, just like Ozen, Westbrook, and Central), but the lack of the third component made sustained success (meaning success for more than two consecutive seasons) virtually impossible. The difference here is that PN-G has more potential for a program because, unlike Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, the coaches at PN-G know exactly who is coming up the ranks and their strengths and weaknesses as far out as 2-5 years before those players are on the varsity team, not counting any work that is done in football prior to the athlete's 7th grade year. That one difference is what makes us better-suited to create a program, which is what Coach Faircloth and his team are doing. Central, Ozen, and Westbrook coaches have virtually no idea who they will be putting on varsity until the freshman year of the potential varsity player. This fact is what makes building a football program (or a program for any sport, for that matter) in BISD much more difficult than building a program in a district where each child's high school is picked the day said child enters kindergarten, such as PN-G or Nederland. It's not that creating a program is impossible, but rather that it is easier to do and has a better chance of success in a single-high school district than in a district where there are multiple high schools and each child doesn't know what high school said child will be attending until the end of said child's eighth grade year. Since 2000 the following schools have won state, some multiple times and all have more than one high school. Lamar Consolidated, Alamo Heights, Midland Lee, Katy, Mesquite, Denton Ryan, Galena Park North Shore, Tyler Lee, and Lewisville Hebron. Most of your 4A and almost all of 5A programs have different feeder schools and the coaches can't keep up with all of the kids because there is so many. For example, in Katy there is approximately 2,000 kids involved in youth football. The coaches have no clue until high school. It computes to the more athletes you have, usually the better the program is going to be or you have an exceptional group of kids that can gel together in HS. There are exceptions to the rule just like anything. ie, WOS, but even then when was the last time they won state. I never said that building a program was impossible in a district like BISD, just that it was very hard to do. The high schools you have mentioned also (as you pointed out) have far more kids than Central and Ozen and, while they do have several feeder schools, the students of those feeder schools have predesignated high schools. The size of each school as well as the predesignated high school make it far easier to make predictions and put together a well rounded team, accordingly. Have it ever occured to you that kids change from Middle School to High School? You have this 6'2" kid in middle school that all the school are after. In HS, is your kid tha was 5'4" in middle school that will end up being the star.

Nederland went 2 rounds deep.

He didn't have to put up excellent numbers with his role in LA. I think he'll fit in.

Not really, Buc. Arieza is a good shooter and plays good defense also. He's also younger than Artest. This may be a good thing. Let's wait and see.

Aw man! I was getting used to our black home unies.

Jags.

While size offers an advantage, it isn't everything. The program, the kids, and the coaching are what make up a good football team. Because of the structure of BISD, it's hard to put together a program and it's even harder to predict which kids each high school will get. And PN-G's problem was its program for all those years. The Beaumont coaches have a struggle no matter what. I honestly believe that Central's run at the playoffs last year was a lucky streak, and what I mean by that is that they had the right combination of players and coaching, but such a combination is rare in a district like BISD. The fact that they had that combination last year was a stroke of good luck, a rare one at that. Every now and then, Ozen, Central, and Westbrook will have one or two consecutive playoff runs, but, because of the structure of the district, won't be able to sustain long term results. You need a tiny big of luck along the way for any kind of state or long playoff run. This goes for all teams in all classifications that have deep runs. I'm not buying most of what you're saying. Especially about your 'lucky streak' comment. I suppose I should be more clear. It's not that Central got to the playoffs and made that run on luck alone. It had the two of the big three components: kids and coaching. It was lacking in the program sector, which is understandable because of BISD's structure. When you've only got two of the three needed components, you'll have some success, but it'll be hard to sustain that success from year to year. Central won't be able to sustain its success over the years without a program, and you can't really build a program in a district like BISD. It'll have some spurts here and there, but no solid, sustained success. The same goes for Ozen and Westbrook. BISD's structure. Success here and there. Spurts. I think you have listen to some older guys (who knows nothing) to come up with this. If Central or any BISD school is a hit an miss deal, then what the heck is PN-G? They appear to be the same way. They had a brilliant '99 season with Long at the helm and made it to state. Since then, what have they done playoff wise? I remember. They lost to the eventual state champions (Lamar Consolidated) a few years ago. So I guess it's safe to question PN-G's 'structure' and say that they are less than a hit and miss and only do good in 'spurts'.

The Beaumont coaches have a struggle no matter what. I honestly believe that Central's run at the playoffs last year was a lucky streak, and what I mean by that is that they had the right combination of players and coaching, but such a combination is rare in a district like BISD. The fact that they had that combination last year was a stroke of good luck, a rare one at that. Every now and then, Ozen, Central, and Westbrook will have one or two consecutive playoff runs, but, because of the structure of the district, won't be able to sustain long term results. You need a tiny big of luck along the way for any kind of state or long playoff run. This goes for all teams in all classifications that have deep runs. I'm not buying most of what you're saying. Especially about your 'lucky streak' comment.

BD, you gonna get me with that Twitter. I've been told about it several months ago. I will check it out later on when I get to my computer...

Because Beaumont Middle Schools feed to different High Schools. Some kids at SFA will go to WB, some to Ozen, and some to Central and so on with the other middle schools. So the coaches at these schools are not instructed by the Head Coach at the HS. That puts the HC's at a dissadvantage. I think this is one of the reasons that the bigger ISD's like Houston and Dallas don't have the powerhouse teams anymore. Even Katy and Plano still have boundries for their feeder schools. Just a thought (and an observation from a BMT coach). I guess that explain it better. Although I think the guy that origionally brought it up was getting at something else... My Question about Brook still was not answered...

I understand that. Stump is at Brook. He's been there since 2005 and does not appear he is going anywhere soon.

I think Ozen is going to be a solid team. When we were doing our predictions, I ranked them as fifth in our district over Lumberton, Livingston, and LC-M. I figure that Ozen will give a solid performance this year but won't make the playoffs because I think that Ozen still has to build a program and that's hard to do in a district like BISD. Why is it hard to build a program in BISD? West Brook already have a program. I want to hear this explaination...

I think the reason most are counting them out is the same some are discounting Vidor. I don't think it is right but a lot predict the future on the results of your past. I guess for some folks , respect must be earned.Lumberton went through it a couple years ago, they won week after week while evryone doubted them every week.The worst case I have seen for this was Nederland during the mid 90's. They couldn't get the respect they deserved.It took a couple years of winning before our local media gave them the respect that they had more than earned. You will just have to prove them wrong week after week to be taken seriously by some. We won a district title. We make the playoffs often. We make a 4 round run in the playoffs and we still don't get respect. You have to look at who these teams are trying to earn respect from. Fact is that most of the local media is MC fans and will show respect to them most of the time. People fail to realize that Ozen up until 2005 was an elite team. Which tell me that the fans that don't respect Ozen at all are obviously younger fans or didn't follow HS football untill recently.

I see. I never read that long thread. He must be darn good to drag a thread out 30 pages! ;D

I can now see why you would think the Titan/Jaguar game would be boring... I guess the WO-S and Central games vs. Nederland last year were boring as well, huh? : : Was there a boring Jag game in 2005 with our new coach when we won district? Was there a boring game in 2002 with a new coach when we made the playoffs? You're not making sense right now... he's just a pot stirrer. : And I fell for it! ;D ;D ;D

I can now see why you would think the Titan/Jaguar game would be boring... I guess the WO-S and Central games vs. Nederland last year were boring as well, huh? : : Was there a boring Jag game in 2005 with our new coach when we won district? Was there a boring game in 2002 with a new coach when we made the playoffs? You're not making sense right now...

Wow, that's a bold statement! I think he might have had more stones than Hall, but he ain't no better athlete...Hall could turn any run into a homerun...w/ crazy speed...his only problem was he wanted to run to the sideline...CMike will go hit ya! finally someone spoke about this crazy statement frog was probably the best athlete to come through setx since ivory williams I don't know about best since Ivory Williams because you still had J. Charles, Deion Beasley, and David Dixon. There are a couple more that I can't remember at this time.

I can now see why you would think the Titan/Jaguar game would be boring... I guess the WO-S and Central games vs. Nederland last year were boring as well, huh? : :

That would be pretty good to see them Beaumont boys in action at LU. I heard that one of the Chavis boys may not come to LU.

Why do you think it'll be boring? I think it may be a little sloppy early, but boring? What's a boring football game anyways? A low scoring game? So I guess PN-G's opener will be a 'snore', right? You are a PN-G fan, right? Just spouting off then. Just as I first thought. I've never heard of someone that can predict a 'boring' game.

They are actually airing out their arm pits! ;D JK. ;D

Why do you think it'll be boring? I think it may be a little sloppy early, but boring? What's a boring football game anyways? A low scoring game? So I guess PN-G's opener will be a 'snore', right? You are a PN-G fan, right?

I feel like if I'm not there to root my Jags on, we stand a good chance of losing. This may vary from person to person, but I feel like Football fans are extremely important. Our boys feed off the energy. Why do you think they signal us to get on our feet on a key possession or drive?

Why do you think it'll be boring? I think it may be a little sloppy early, but boring? What's a boring football game anyways? A low scoring game?

I will find out. Last I heard, he was playing JUCO. Hall has a cousin that posts on here. I'm sure he can shed some light on this.