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Me likes your opinion! ;D ;D ;D We hope to see Angleton in the playoffs again this year. With the Diggs kid back, you know it'll be exciting!

I caught wind of David being missing. I hate to hear about this. I remember him well from school. Much prayers sent for David, his family, and all his classmates whom he was close to. RIP, David :'( :'( :'(

I agree with your top four, but I hope it is switched around a tad. Central lost to may starters along with their coach. Livingston lost their beast Mr. everything...

Cannot speak for Nederland, but we (Central) Aren't scared of Dayton. Heck, I would love for them to come back. Looking for sweet payback from 2006!

It's really sad. I read that supposedly, LeBron and Nike paid the cameramen 10G's a piece to get the video evidence. I have just done a search on youtube and the few videos that I found have been removed quickly for terms of violation. I know this is real because the kid from Indiana was quoted saying what happened. Check out what the kid was quoted saying from this link: [Hidden Content]

Lumberton will live and die on that defense this year! Nederland has to replace a hose of a RB. Remember 2007! Should have big stat lines because of the air game, but will they score alot? PNG will be under a learning curve. Should have big stat lines because of the air game, but will they score alot? Central will also live and die on the defense this year. Ozen is an anigma? Who knows what you will get? LCM will also be under a learning curve. Livingston lost their allworld threat. Vidor...Vidor might move the ball better than the rest and get into the end zone more. Really good assessment! I think that either Nederland (since they always seem to have the top offensive numbers) and Ozen (they have the best RB coming back) will have the best offense.

I'll make a prediction once I see my Jags in a scrimmage.

Different year, same result. Nederland won't stop the Mustang ground game, so whoever the RB is will have a huge game. 35-21 Mustangs.

Dont know how many times I have to explain this.....it has nothing to do with PNG, except for the fact that aside from LC-M, they were the worst team in the district last year. I build everything around them, because they are the team I see week in and out. Lumberton (your 20-4A co champs) had to struggle to beat PN-G. Central (your other 20-4A co champs), beat PN-G 19-0.....no too dominating. I'm not basing the district on PN-G not doing well, I'm basing the district on the teams that did well, struggle with them. Again, in a good district, the district champions wipe the floor with the likes of PN-G last year.....that didnt happen. We had a very down year IMO, and the champs struggled with us. And again, no, you didnt struggle with us because we were a good team. Basing it on head to head matchups with your Indians vs. the top rung of the district. IMO, that's a weak argument. I think this shows me that the district was competitive, not down. Now competitive in comparison to other districts? No.

But what do they know. You and I know they never show and of our local 4a teams no respect. You will probably never see our local teams in the top 10.

BTW, did I mention that I think the Dave Cambell's picks are trash and that a pick for Vidor to win district only because they return the most starters is foolish?

Looks like the only perception of a 'down year' in some people's eyes is when either PN-G or Nederland miss the playoffs. Maybe it is because Lumberton and Livingston was at the top? Or maybe it's that Central (out of all teams) made a deep playoff run. I know this is off subject, but this is what I was thinking while reading this thread.

Ned, i just hope you are a parent and not an offensive player, if by chance you are a player, when you guys come to Lumberton...........let's just say, ice it down and the swelling will eventually go away, because the hitting is gonna be hard hard hard. are you a parent? because if you are why are you talking trash to highschool kids? Let them run there mouths all they want. We'll let the talk happen on the field between the players, not between grown men trying to relive there days of going 0-10 with there only 2 successful years in team history. Ouch!!!

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: : ... I've given PN-G bandkid his props, but I wonder why wasn't it you that didn't jump in and prove that point? We've been having this argument for a few days. looks like someone wanting to sulk in someones accomplishments to me...

You get kudos for backing up your opinion! You're ok with me! 8)

Did some research and pulled up the Historical Archives, I see! 8) 8)

:o Hope your right! ;D ;D

Have it ever occured to you that kids change from middle school to high school? You have coaches looking at the 6'1" athletic 8th grader when in reality, the skinny 5'4" kid will end of being the superstar in HS. While size offers an advantage, it isn't everything. The program, the kids, and the coaching are what make up a good football team. Because of the structure of BISD, it's hard to put together a program and it's even harder to predict which kids each high school will get. And PN-G's problem was its program for all those years. The Beaumont coaches have a struggle no matter what. I honestly believe that Central's run at the playoffs last year was a lucky streak, and what I mean by that is that they had the right combination of players and coaching, but such a combination is rare in a district like BISD. The fact that they had that combination last year was a stroke of good luck, a rare one at that. Every now and then, Ozen, Central, and Westbrook will have one or two consecutive playoff runs, but, because of the structure of the district, won't be able to sustain long term results. You need a tiny big of luck along the way for any kind of state or long playoff run. This goes for all teams in all classifications that have deep runs. I'm not buying most of what you're saying. Especially about your 'lucky streak' comment. I suppose I should be more clear. It's not that Central got to the playoffs and made that run on luck alone. It had the two of the big three components: kids and coaching. It was lacking in the program sector, which is understandable because of BISD's structure. When you've only got two of the three needed components, you'll have some success, but it'll be hard to sustain that success from year to year. Central won't be able to sustain its success over the years without a program, and you can't really build a program in a district like BISD. It'll have some spurts here and there, but no solid, sustained success. The same goes for Ozen and Westbrook. BISD's structure. Success here and there. Spurts. I think you have listen to some older guys (who knows nothing) to come up with this. If Central or any BISD school is a hit an miss deal, then what the heck is PN-G? They appear to be the same way. They had a brilliant '99 season with Long at the helm and made it to state. Since then, what have they done playoff wise? I remember. They lost to the eventual state champions (Lamar Consolidated) a few years ago. So I guess it's safe to question PN-G's 'structure' and say that they are less than a hit and miss and only do good in 'spurts'. PN-G's problem was its program. Much like Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, PN-G had a good coaching staff and good kids, but a bad program. Much like Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, the combination of the first two components provided for some spurts (which depended more on the kids our team had from year to year than anything else, just like Ozen, Westbrook, and Central), but the lack of the third component made sustained success (meaning success for more than two consecutive seasons) virtually impossible. The difference here is that PN-G has more potential for a program because, unlike Central, Ozen, and Westbrook, the coaches at PN-G know exactly who is coming up the ranks and their strengths and weaknesses as far out as 2-5 years before those players are on the varsity team, not counting any work that is done in football prior to the athlete's 7th grade year. That one difference is what makes us better-suited to create a program, which is what Coach Faircloth and his team are doing. Central, Ozen, and Westbrook coaches have virtually no idea who they will be putting on varsity until the freshman year of the potential varsity player. This fact is what makes building a football program (or a program for any sport, for that matter) in BISD much more difficult than building a program in a district where each child's high school is picked the day said child enters kindergarten, such as PN-G or Nederland. It's not that creating a program is impossible, but rather that it is easier to do and has a better chance of success in a single-high school district than in a district where there are multiple high schools and each child doesn't know what high school said child will be attending until the end of said child's eighth grade year. Since 2000 the following schools have won state, some multiple times and all have more than one high school. Lamar Consolidated, Alamo Heights, Midland Lee, Katy, Mesquite, Denton Ryan, Galena Park North Shore, Tyler Lee, and Lewisville Hebron. Most of your 4A and almost all of 5A programs have different feeder schools and the coaches can't keep up with all of the kids because there is so many. For example, in Katy there is approximately 2,000 kids involved in youth football. The coaches have no clue until high school. It computes to the more athletes you have, usually the better the program is going to be or you have an exceptional group of kids that can gel together in HS. There are exceptions to the rule just like anything. ie, WOS, but even then when was the last time they won state. I never said that building a program was impossible in a district like BISD, just that it was very hard to do. The high schools you have mentioned also (as you pointed out) have far more kids than Central and Ozen and, while they do have several feeder schools, the students of those feeder schools have predesignated high schools. The size of each school as well as the predesignated high school make it far easier to make predictions and put together a well rounded team, accordingly. Have it ever occured to you that kids change from Middle School to High School? You have this 6'2" kid in middle school that all the school are after. In HS, is your kid tha was 5'4" in middle school that will end up being the star.

Nederland went 2 rounds deep.

He didn't have to put up excellent numbers with his role in LA. I think he'll fit in.

Not really, Buc. Arieza is a good shooter and plays good defense also. He's also younger than Artest. This may be a good thing. Let's wait and see.

Aw man! I was getting used to our black home unies.

Jags.