Riding Solo

[quote name="bobcat4life" post="1206416" timestamp="1333574148"] I agree with all of that bud, see I knew we would agree one day [/quote] Or you was tired of typing. LOL!!!!!!! I know I am!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D

[quote name="bobcat4life" post="1206347" timestamp="1333568200"] No, but to be honest, I think that Kelly had a few down years in talent during that time frame.  I didn't say he was a miracle worker lol And if you think OF is bad about parents being involved, well... can you imagine?? BTW Solo, how far do you get to go back to talk about kids being different?  Theriot was here like 12 years ago.  I'll give you the argument that things were different in the 70's when you were around, but come on now... :) And if beating 2a schools in football is the criteria for a successful athletic program, there is something seriously wrong with how we evaluate things  ??? [/quote] Every 10 years of course. You are right about the 2A schools, the basketball team has been beating 2A schools and down for years. Don't see you questioning their criteria. By the way I was late 70's early 80's. :P You got your nerve about age. One more thing, the numbers have been dropping way before Huck got here. Why have'nt you mentioned track? Here is a fact for you, last district championship for orangefield in track was 1998. Can't remember the last time the boys track team scored 100 points in a single meet. When is the last time we fielded a 1600 meter relay team and if we do field one they are never in the top six at any given track meet. If the situation is so bad then why is there any kids left in the program. IMO (which has been known to be wrong) the kids who are still there is because they love the sport and apparently they love it more than the ones who are not there anymore. Hell man a lot of my classmates quit football because they did not like Coach Peveto. They were good athlete's also. Could have help us. Most of them will tell you they regret it also. Are there issues? Probably so but I think the issues are being blown out of proportion just like the school board issue is. ;) By the way the boys scored 10 points at the BC relays.

[quote name="bobcat4life" post="1206219" timestamp="1333558666"] [quote author=catfever link=topic=98194.msg1206199#msg1206199 date=1333555562] I have one question.  Is he getting all this support from the community because the football team is doing better than under the previous coach?  I would think that most head coaches/athletic directors would teach about discipline, morals, mental toughness, etc.  I would just like to know if this would be any different if he had only won 2 or 3 games a year the past three years and the football numbers were as low as they are. [/quote] Not sure of that Cat, I have been around this district for 40+ years.  I think the system he runs is perfect for our kids.  I also think he is expectional at teaching that particular system.  Under the current system we are never going to be a football powerhouse.  The truth is that one parent spoke up on his behalf that actually had a kid in the program.  The only real beef I have is the overall implementation of the Athletic program.  I personally believe that when Randy Theriot was here we had the best AD OF has ever had.  Almost 7 out of 10 kids were involved in athletics.  I don't think that anyone that played for him would say that he was "soft" or opposed to discipline.  He is the one that started the "one heartbeat" concept, he started the holding up the #1 sign during the school song.  He was a motivator.  I don't know him that well, but whatever he was doing, everyone could learn from. [/quote] I agree with that assumption, but when Randy was here which was more than 10 years ago things were a little different. I do agree he was a good motivator. But then he did not last long at Kelly. 

Also, there is two sides to every story.

My point is, if a kid is your source I would not be so quick to judge.

You did'nt think I would let you have the last word did you? LOL!!!!

[quote name="bobcat4life" post="1205673" timestamp="1333473065"] Amen Solo, but here is my issue.  If a coach or teacher is complaining openly to kids about their job the solution is simple.  Don't renew their contract.  Kind of like if you were running around in your job complaining to your customer's that the company that you are working for isn't a good company, or just generally stirring strife, what would happen?  They fire you for that, and you deserve it :) [/quote] But here is my issue, I don't put much stock in what kids say because I have seen over and over teachers and coaches livelyhood was ruined because some kid said something because he/she did not like the coach/teacher. It is kind of like the cry wolf theory. This happens more and more these days. Example: coach Jones back in the 90's got accused of sexual harassment by a young girl at the junior high and come to find out the young girl was lying about the whole deal. But the damage was done. Not saying the coach did not say that but I am not so quick to believe a 13 or 14 year old kid because they will tell you whatever it takes to stay out of trouble. Hey man we was young once. We did not always tell the truth to our parents. The kids nowdays know how to work the system. In someways you can compare the school system with corporate America and someways you can't. So many cry wolf these days that the actual true abuse goes unnoticed. Really sad society we live in today.

[quote name="bobcat4life" post="1205622" timestamp="1333466309"] Well Aggie, if you are talking about efforts from kids, then I agree with you. Here is what I am saying; If you are an AD, and responsible for all sports, both girls and boys, at each level, then aren't you responsible for them?  OF had a junior high coach this year in basketball that would routinely tell the kids how much he hated the sport, how he signed on to coach football and he wanted no part of coaching basketball.  Now, I can understand that, but when you don't give your best effort at coaching, you shouldn't be there.  It is about kids, and not him.  There are many of us who routinely perform duties in our jobs that we don't like to do, but we do them or get fired.  The issue currently is that we want to put our best foot forward in each sport.  If we start playing marbles, then I would like to see whoever coaches that sport do their best.  Is that too much to ask? And if we have a kid that wants to be the best marble player ever and he doesn't play another sport, then we should be there for him to do that. And if we put a baby sitter with them that doesn't like the sport, we aren't giving our best effort as a school. [/quote] On the flip side of that hiring coaches are like a box of chocolate, you never know what you are going to get. I agree that coach should not have said that but you know as well as I do you never really know what a coach is like until after you hire them. Unless you know them before hand of course.

[quote name="bobcat4life" post="1205548" timestamp="1333454668"] One More thing my good friend, don't tell me about rambling and beating a dead horse when I know your getting warmed up for a "lesson's learned, the good ole days" speech :) [/quote] Well my friend you are funny as always. I am not sensitive, ;) ;) whatever do you mean? LOL!!! Your were talking to me so firgured you was directing at me. In the future quote the person who said it that way there won't be a misunderstanding. Even if you do there will probably still be a misunderstanding because people always read into something thats simply not there sometimes. The life of a message board. Sorry to disappoint you but I quit giving that speech a long time ago. Nobody listens and think I am this "Old Man" reliving my younger years. LOL!!!On a serious note I don't have a problem with you agreeing with the school board. That is your choice and I too would like to win in everything but I have to be real also and realize that is a far fetched like.

[quote name="bobcat4life" post="1205377" timestamp="1333401914"] Once again Solo cup, you are missing the point.  The idea that people would like a more balanced Athletic program, does not mean that they are anti football.  That is exactly what this is all about.  It is not about 3 young men that made a mistake, it is not about pulling sleds, it is about the fact that there is a significant difference in how the programs are treated.  Case in point; The basketball program did not have one coach with real basketball experience, not one, other than the head coach.  And I'm talking about from the 7th grade up.  Don't get me wrong I think Prouse does a great job with it, even though he really hates the sport.  How many coaches are hired based on ANY experience other than football experience? So let's cut the bull, and all of the goofy comments about if you don't like the way things are then you want a soft program, cuz I haven't heard one comment about that, other than from people that are just throwing rocks.  In my humble opinion hard work isn't the problem.  Here's another question for you Solo cup, (I'm beginning to like the new name) [color=red]why didn't any of his coaches show up for either meeting?  Do you think they are soft, or want a weaker, less disciplined program? I don't think so scooter :) [/color] [/quote] Forgot to answer your last question. I will give it my best shot. Maybe because they work 10-14 hours a day and want to spend time with their family. This is a dog eat dog world and we live in corporate America. The school system is no different. Does not matter who you step on to get to the top. Since you pretty much know, why not go ahead and throw the assistant coaches under the bus you pretty much already have. I would like to know how many employee's would go to a meeting for their CEO in the same situation?

No need for name calling.  ;D ;D ;D You are beating a dead horse. You just love putting words in my mouth. What point? All you are doing is rambling. Why do you keep bringing up the 3 boys, I have never said anything about that. I guess you like hearing yourself talk or maybe you are getting old and just repeat yourself. Your new name is peat and repeat.  ;) ;) When we talked the other day I said Coach Peveto could not coach in this day and time. You said yes he could, well Coach Peveto as you well know hired all football coaches and he would never agree to have a basketball/ baseball class.  This has been going on FOREVER. Knock Knock, where have you been for the last 30 years? I could be wrong but coach Sanders was the first coach that I can remember who was hired just for basketball. It is not realistic to think you can have experienced coaches in every sport at the junior high level and up. Not at a 3A school anyway. This has nothing to do with football. I don't care if you hire an experienced coach in each sport at every level, It will be hard for Orangefield to compete year in year out like WOS, Silsbee or BC does. Who said anything about wanting a soft program or about how hard the kids work? Where did that come from? Maybe someone else told you that but I have not said any of those things on this thread. Hey man go back to college get your degree become the AD and change things until then don't judge until you have walked in those shoes. If you do not dislike the guy then why are you on here?  Does not matter who they bring in as AD nothing will change. Is this like a national poll were we can sway votes? If it is then sextxsports has more power then I thought. I still love you though.  ;D ;D Coach Peveto knew that the key to a successful football team was a good track program. How well do you think it would go over today if he said my football players have to run track?

[quote name="bobcat4life" post="1205353" timestamp="1333396489"] So in other words, you really have no clue what is going on??? lol And Josh loves Huck.  I'm not trying to tell you that as a football coach he doesn't have some things I admire and respect.  What I am trying to say is that someone has thrown this deal WAY out of porportion.  And, my friend, when you comment on threads such as this, you are involved, whether you like it or not :) [/quote] Wrong again, yes I do know whats going on. Just not going to put it on here. If you feel you know everything then feel free to enlighten us. You will not get a rise out of me. I know Josh liked him. Josh is a coachable kid that gave everything he had, right up the AD's alley. Never said your kids did not like the AD,  you was the one that said Don't forget I had 2 sons that played for him. It also funny that when Josh played for the AD you rarley said anything about the AD except the offense was methodical.  ;D ;D If these message boards change the thinking of a person then that person was not sure of him/ herself to begin with.

I changed my name because I got mad at setxsports. com and deleted my account but could not stand it and came back. LOL!!!! Yes I sing that song all the time. I did not go into detail with the kids they just told me that since they have graduated that some of the lessons the AD taught them has helped them in life. Could be work ethic, being accountable for your actions, paying the price to obtains goals, discipline and so on. You will have ask the other people what they think of the school board. I really have not said much about the school board except that it would be a mistake to get rid of Huck. Why other people are fired up, I have no clue. I have not said either way whether I support them or not. I personally have no problem with you taking up for the school board, that's your right and choice. Just like the people who chose to support Huck. That's why we live in this country. Maybe your kids did'nt learn like some others did I can't explain that part except all kids are different. Maybe you need to talk to the people and their kids who support Huck. They can answer your questions better than me. The question about Stump, could the lessons be different? Sure they can but you will have to ask the BC kids about that. Each coach has their own way of doing things. As far as the interm Supt changing things. I COULD CARE LESS!!!!!! hahaha !!!! That is between her and the AD. You won't hear me complaining about that. I saw a friend in K-Dans the other day and they said, I heard you was running for school board. I said not no but HELL NO!!!!!! I have done my time being involved in orangefield.  ;D ;D

[quote name="bobcat4life" post="1205188" timestamp="1333383150"] OH Mr. Little, you know I love you and we go back a long way.  I also know that a lot of what you say, or don't say is to stir things up.  Here are a few questions I have for you; 1. How should an AD be judged?  2. Wins and losses? 3. Number of kids in the program? 4. Overall morale and unity of the school? Secondly, who told you or anyone else for that matter it was the kids that received discipline last year?  Sure they were the school board's kids, but, to my knowledge, Mr. McAlpin, the principal, administered the discipline, NOT Huck.  Funny, I haven't heard one negative word concerning McAlpin.  Those kids confessed, they were not caught.  They could have lied about it, but they didn't.  They then faced their discipline, and went on.  In short, the issues going on have zero to do with the discipline those boys faced, but rather a difference of opinion in certain facets of the athletic program. For anyone to say different is irresponsible.  Secondly, the boys we are talking about are just that.... boys.  Not sure which kids aren't susceptible to making mistakes. Here is the other deal, when the board suggested months ago they would like to see a class for basketball kids, etc. It was a recommendation to the Supt.  Why there is this huge panic with everyone running around screaming about the school board is a mystery to me.  I know every one of them personally.  I do not agree with each of them on every issue, but I will say this, they are all in it for the benefit of kids. Period. [/quote] Love you too buddy, I will be more than glad to answer your questions. I don't personally put much stock in wins and loses but he has done pretty good with what he has. I still think it is about preparing young men for the real world. The answer to number 3 and 4 is "No". Also I have been thinking about our conversation we had the other day and while you pointed out all the negatives about the AD, on the flip side of that I have been told by parents and kids that they have learned so much from the AD about life in the real world. They had nothing but praise for him. So I guess it depends on what parent and what kid. There seems to be a difference of opinion on both sides. Second who are you talking to on your second remarks? I have never said anything about the discipline of the kids nor have I bashed the school board. I have not mentioned any names either. So I really have no clue what you are talking about. Am I aware of the situation but have not spoke of it on here. I have only shown my support for the AD and the head girls basketball coach.

Believe me I have said plenty, I don't hide behind my screen name. Everyone knows who I am. I have put my name on here many times (Keith Little) Now I might be miss reading your post but I am guessing it is directed at me and that is OK. My point was the person in question should not be called out on a message board because even though I disagree with him completely. He is still a person. It is easy to make comments on a message board. I have taken ownership for everything I have said. Like I said everyone knows me. 

[quote name="straycat" post="1204606" timestamp="1333165089"] Never said anything about life threatening.  Do you know whatbwas said? In response to your comment about most kids not being held accountable,  apparently neither are adults.  [/quote] Yes, I was told by a friend and you are right I am done talking about this on a message board because we will never agree and that is OK.

Well Stray, In my opinion nothing the coach said was life threatening. Not saying yours but most kids are not made accountable for their actions now days.

[quote name="tjcfan08" post="1204509" timestamp="1333157822"] [quote author=Riding Solo link=topic=98338.msg1204503#msg1204503 date=1333157557] Torn again, great game coach Landry. [/quote] I'll help you out...... WAY TO GO BOBCATS.... ;) [/quote] Thanks Fan you little hefer. ;D

I still love you Stray. ;D

Torn again, great game coach Landry.

[quote name="straycat" post="1204390" timestamp="1333150502"] From ridin solo's previous post:  "Would also like to say glad the board denied the greivance against Coach Jost"..".............  It's amazing u agree with the board on their decision when u don't know the details of the grevience or maybe u do and u are ok with what happened. [/quote] Yes Stray, I am Ok with it. I know you think well my daughter did not have to deal with that and I agree. But I would have backed the coaches decison no matter what right or wrong. That is just me man.

Hey grad you know I am a bobcat but Shea is my nephew. Man I am torn!!!!

I don't think it is appropriate to call out a person on a message board and this is why. Reguardless of what we think a school board members job is thinkless. What I mean by this is they don't get paided. They are up there on their own free will. Do I agree with their thought process sometime? No I do not but until you have been there and done that it is hard to sit back and judge. Now I am talking about any organization. Be it youth football, basketball, baseball or whatever. Yes I have blasted the "Board" but never did I mention a name. Names should be left out. Just my opinion like anyone cares. LOL!!!!!!!

[quote name="CoachKfan" post="1203550" timestamp="1333034500"] Great post Cat!! I continue to be amazed at the lack of support from some of these parents.  Everyone's a coach!  They have lost sight of the fact that the majority of these coaches chose this profession (key word here is PROFESSION.........THEY ARE PROFESSIONALS!) because they love kids and they love the sport.  I am surprised that anyone would want to go into the coaching profession these days.  I had a wonderful career but I wouldn't encourage anyone to go into the coaching profession now and the number 1 reason is parents!  There are some great ones out there and I was fortunate enough to coach alot of their kids.  Unfortunately, the others are beginning to make us forget the good ones!! [/quote] Really good post!!!!!!

[quote name="catfever" post="1203398" timestamp="1332990719"] You are right.  Skills should be taught at a young age.  You know that there are many situations where this is not done.  Skills are still taught at the junior high and high school age at every sport.  This cannot be done after school because the coach cannot instruct the kids except during the season.  How do the athletes get better skills in the offseason, except during the period.  They also need to lift, but skill improvement is a must in order to compete with the more athletic teams.  I guess we will just trust that the kids will do it on their own. [/quote] You are right Catfever the kids should do it on their own. It is called " Motivation". One of the life lessons my friend. I agree with you it is not always taught at a young age. I think the skills is up to the kid not the coach. How much work are they willing to put in inorder to obtain the skill? No coach can teach that.