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Where's those Raider fans? I would like to hear from them.

OrangeFBfan, I totally agree with you. But, there are some Mustang fans who would disagree with you. It's not just a scrimmage to them, you know who you are. Are you trying to call me out or something? Yeah, I know who I am and my feelings about these scrimmages has not changed a bit and never will. Last night showed us EXACTLY where we are right now. We know what we need to work on. And another thing, there was no "second team" on the field last night at any time for either team. There were backups that filled in, but that's it. This was an extra game that both teams had the benefit of playing. Now, as for you, we are not going to agree on this, EVER. So you will be doing good by just dropping this and stop trying to pick a fight with me. Hey Gasilla, we're cool. I was just yanking your chain a little. You are right, we won't agree on this matter.

In the controled scrimmage, each 1st team ran 12 plays and each 2nd team ran 12 plays. LCM 1st team scored once and Silsbee 1st team scored once. Silsbee 2nd team was the only one to score among the 2nd teams. They played two game type 12 minute quarters. The first teams played the first quarter ending with a Tiger 21-0 lead. The 2nd teams played with LCM scoring twice, the last one with 10 seconds left in game. Silsbee had one td called back because of a penalty and also fumbled at the Bear 3 yardline. The Tigers looked a little bit better in this scrimmage. I will say this is by far the smallest Silsbee team we have had in years. Maybe one or two big bodies but that's about it. But, what we lack in size we make up for in speed. This will be one of the quickest teams we have had. One last note, I am really looking forward to watching Silsbee's junior QB Jeremy Johnson this season. Should be another highlite reel coming.

I think this just about sums up this debate as to who is better. Good one, Short.

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So true! That's why Erwin left LaMarque, he saw what was coming up! It's apparent you have no idea what you're talking about...get a clue fella! Where did ya grab that one from...just sounded like a good thing to say to make you look like you know what you're talking about...uninformed is more like it? On another note, to make an overall evaluation of ANY team based on a scrimmage of all things only shows a clear lack of knowledge of football...it's controlled practice...nothing more and I wouldn't look too far into it otherwise you're just grasping at straws! Let's get off that high horse, xLmCoog88. The fall will be more painful from that height.

OrangeFBfan, I totally agree with you. But, there are some Mustang fans who would disagree with you. It's not just a scrimmage to them, you know who you are.

Yes you do. I saw what I believed to be the entire WOS coaching staff at the Jasper/Nederland scrimmage. But, that should be the norm since the Mustangs play Nederland next week. I also expect to see them at the LCM/Silsbee scrimmage tomorrow since they play both of those schools.

As long as WOS is in this district, my money will always be on them for having the best defense.

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Do yall think he was the best in the state from his class? No. I'll take the kid from North Crowley over him any day. BTW, can't wait for your report Chad.

I attended the Jasper/Nederland scrimmage and came away with only two thoughts. First, I ruined my favorite Skecher sandals, and second, both Bulldogs ruined the Nederland football field. That field will never recover for the rest of the season. I was totally shocked that they played on it. It was nothing but a mud hole by halftime. I walked the sideline the whole game and went out on the field at half and sunk to my ankles. This may very well been a ploy to get that turf field now. BTW, Jasper looks to be at midseason form. Hope they don't peak too early.

Either that, or folks around you are doing a whole lot wrong. Lesser of two evils, you might say.

I think Gasilla, who is a WOS fan, would disagree with that assessment.

I can totally see your point if you're talking about 5A teams that actually have platoon substitutions, but we both follow 3A schools and neither of them have the luxury of having a 2nd "team", they have 2nd string players that rotate in with the first string players. Not very often do you see more than 2 or 3 second teamers out there with the rest of the starters. The whole, "they scored on our "B" team" thing is usually more like they scored while we had a couple of 2nd string players on the field. Anyway, it's a good little debate that's beginning to get old. I just think these scrimmages mean way more than some want to admit. It's just to easy to say, "it was JUST a scrimmage". Now, I do not see why on earth a coaching staff would scout a scrimmage. Seems like a waste of man power, but I bet that, if Dayton did scout Lumberton. It had more to do with a potential match up in the playoffs than it did winning their scrimmage. I am not suggesting that scrimmages are meaningless. But, scrimmages aren't meaningful enough to get a "win" or "loss" tag attached to it. As for this theory only applying to 5A schools, I beg to differ. Silsbee has a 2nd team offense and defense with maybe just a couple of 2 way players in the mix. I went to Newton's scrimmage last Saturday against Center, and they ran 2nd team offense and defense. Newton is 2A, Center 3A and not a big 3A at that. In this scrimmage Newton 1st team tied Center's 1st team 1-1, but Center's 2nd teamers out scored Newton's 2-1. Do I think Center has a better team because they "won" this scrimmage? Absolutely not.

Okay, I just found my Game of the Week broadcast for that particular week. ;D

Never in my 44 years have I seen a scrimmage result recorded in a team's win-loss column. : No --we are scrimmaging in the forum. We need to get our fingers ready for 10-14 weeks of typing. Aggies--i agree with you totally on the official records. I was just kidding by referring to the area outside the locker room frequented by parents and other experts who are ready to greet the coaches and share their opinions about whats they have observed. To many--the whole season is judged by what they saw in the first scrimmage. Myself, I believe the scrimmage is a good indication to see what areas a team may be lacking in depth. But believe me--some coaches may feel the pressure of trying to make a good impression. Totally agree with this comment.

Never in my 44 years have I seen a scrimmage result recorded in a team's win-loss column. :

In that case no it doesn't matter, my point is the first half at least come this sat. will be about as real as it gets without it counting on your record. We will all know who the better team is Dayton or Lumberton in 2008 after the first half Sat. As a fan I want to know and so does everyone else. I can reasonably agree with that comment. But, it has no bearing on who was the better team when these two teams met last year in a real game.

Like I said, the question wasn't about someone giving more effort than the other. But for someone to tell me that team A "lost" a scrimmage to team B when team A's 1st team out scores team B's 1st team, let's say, 5-1 in dominating fashion, but team B's second and third teams outscore team A's second and third teams 6-1, that's crazy. Scrimmages are about how you perform, not the score.

Ditto!

So I guess its ok for HF to scout Lumberton saturday morning? It's the same freakn'thing! There's a lot of what if's but lets say they meet in the playoffs and the Dayton coaches didn't scout them early on in the season...lot's of variables but its ok if you wanna'play it down to a scrimmage. Just how do you "play it down to a scrimmage" when the fact remains, it is a scrimmage? Don't you know that?

I am not debating the fact that you should practice hard or play hard in these scrimmages. You should always do that. I agree, it builds champions. But my point is the fact that some fans want to hang their hat on a scrimmage "win" or "loss". Too many variables go on during a scrimmage that would not give an accurate account to some team winning or losing. If team A scores 3 times and team B scores 2 times then all that means is team A had better results, no win or loss. It's just that simple.

Boston Red Sox pitcher Clay Buckoltz was sent down to AA after losing his 7 straight game. His 2-9 record with an era of 6.79 has sent him down to the minors.

I guess my point is, if you want to claim a "win" in a scrimmage when the only score came when your third team defense picked up a fumble and ran it in on their third team offense, then so be it. We all know that in a real game, none of those players would see the field in a tightly contested game. : Get real. It's just a scrimmage for crying out loud. Like I posted on another thread, I'll take a "fluke" win in a real game every day over dominating someone in a scrimmage.