BigTitan

[quote name="mikelbene" post="1171129" timestamp="1328279778"] BigTitan, This isn't the time or place for a discussion on race, but since we're here.... It's comical for sensible people to watch our black friends try to defend their ruffled feathers over the "n-word" when you've probably got a hundred songs on your iPod that use that "horrible, offensive" word.  If black people really found that word offensive, we wouldn't know who Kanye West is.  Period.  The fact that y'all get so offended if a seven-year old white kid drops that bomb is amazing, considering that YOUR race worships guys who drop it all of the time.  In fact, I'd dare say that you, BigTitan, in all probability use it when you're in the company of your black friends. The real racists aren't seven year olds that use words like that or queer or whatever.  The real racists are grown-ups that look for the slightest possibility that race might be the major driving force behind all of the issues in life that are found to be unfavorable.  Whether it's white folks moaning about blacks on welfare or black folks moaning about whites keeping em' down. I think you cleared up how you feel, and how I've always suspected a lot of folks feel, when you said "[b]but hearing some stories that were told to me, CERTAIN people would have REASON to Hate another.[/b] [/quote] The first person to bring up race on this thread, is the one that says this isn't the time or place for race talk.  Wow.  That classic bro. lol

[quote name="Tebowing" post="1170603" timestamp="1328210085"] [quote author=mikelbene link=topic=94298.msg1170286#msg1170286 date=1328195375] I think all of the posts from Titan Fan about the whole league being "scared of the talent" and "racially motivated" (my paraphrasing, btw) are laughable.  We watched the STJFL Titans (not just one team, but several), and while they were successful, I don't think ANYBODY was scared of playing them.  In fact, the only people that I saw scared were the PA folks watching their Senior team play BC when their QB got the wood laid on him by Justyn Romero.  Close game, considering we took every kid that wanted to play from little ol' 6k population BC and hung with the hand-selected "best" from 48k population PA.... That was also the only day we saw the police at an STJFL game... One of the PA fans got ejected for cursing a ref, then refused to leave.  The police had to escort him.  Seems like he didn't understand the concept of "rules" either.  And as far as the local 4a schools being scared to play the Titans... [color=red][size=12pt]We're not scared of the game, we're just scared to walk back to the car at your stadium after the game.  Right, WB?[/size][/color] [/quote] [IMG][Hidden Content]] [/quote] What would a person say if they were told that a coach kept his team from the previous year together.  I hear that coaches draft young to get an older team for the next year.  Give me an answer to that question, and I'll respond again.  Just answer that simple question.  Anyone.

[quote name="mikelbene" post="1170857" timestamp="1328221047"] I really felt for the Father who had to explain to his kid what those racist young white kids meant when they were dropping N bombs out there.  It made me think back to the time that I had to explain the N word to my kid....  [b]"[color=purple][size=14pt]Look, Mike jr..... It's a horrible word used by some people to call a black person that points out centuries of unjust treatment and enslavement.  It's also a word used by rap artists to sell m-m-m-millions of  CDs, but that's different."[/size][/color] [/b]  There's two different sets of rules, ain't there, One4all? I'm way off track, so forgive me.  Later. [/quote] I have no idea what that ignorant sarcastic statement was about, but this is my statement. We know when the N word is said out of hatred and ignorance. Thats the issue.  Not what a rapper says that makes him all those m m millions.  When we were called THAT word YEARS ago, more than likely that night, someone was being hung by a tree or killed.  Some were spit on, kicked out of buses, kicked out of diners, etc...  Some of these people were treated worse than animals.  So when the word is said with malice, we feel differently about it.  I could care less if you understand that.  Thats the HATE that my grandfather and my mother dealt with when they were younger years ago.  I've been told stories of hatred that you couldn't even comprehend.  I totally disagree with any form of racism from any race, but hearing some stories that were told to me, CERTAIN people would have REASON to Hate another.

[quote name="jrmdvs536" post="1166881" timestamp="1327688861"] BigTitan at that game you talking about when the score was run up looks bad on yall but it happpens like that sometimes. You call off the dogs on offense but you cant stop a defense score and you dont ever let you team shut down for nobody. If a team cant stop your 2 or 3 string thats on them. People on here think if the game was 40-0 that you put your players that need they plays in when its 30-0 before the last 10 seconds. But things happen but until you been a coach you dont know how hard that is. I had kids they dont want no part of offense and thats hard if you only keep D in 4 and out. Most the coaches in STJFL do respect the FIGHT in a team from PA or anywhere. For the stacking all I can tell you is what I heard and I already said on here.... and yes I said HEARD so I cant speak for it exactly but I know this dude well that told me. The problem with the PA teams was that the signups was cut off 3 months early for all PA and they paperwork was all messed up. He say that the thing about the cuts came up later. I could see why that a problem because most the signups come right before football start up and PA might of had more teams if they followed the rule. That was about all the PA teams so thay all got put out the playoffs. It might not been on purpose by PA but they cant let teams that did it right go against teams that cut off early but they DID let them play the year.  Last I was told was STJFL was waiting to hear from PA president to see if thay could work things out so maybe you ask him to try and call STJFL president to get the answer. I can talk about the PNG teams because I know how that works. I saw both them teams play that was 8-0 and 0-8 and it was more about the coach. Well not all because the one team had a player you could build around. I heard on here that hes not the hole team and thats true but you take him off and they maybe a 4-4 team or put him on the 0-8 team and they 4-4 too.... He just that good. The same thing happen when he was in peewee when they went to the superbowl and won.  Not talking bad about any coach but most of them is dads and they are some good ones like the bad ones and most not a pro coach. We all been faced with race from a young age and that didnt change from when I was a kid. It always come from the parents and that is sad. In this area for sure because we all so close we dont need to be split so hard. I had to talk to my kids like you say you talk to yours and it goes both ways though. I had a white kid come tell me a black kid told him some stuff on the field too and that was a 7 year old peewee game. It start way too early for these kids to deal with. That why I was so mad when I saw PA make this into a race thing when I know better. That makes every thing worse. If yall want people on here to know your side then you need to listen more then you talk and get all sides. And most importatnt is dont make it about what its not. I was told more then once that STJFL wanted PA to change some of yall board out. I dont know why they told you that just like I dont know why yall didnt do what they said. But yall both had a right to make the choice yall made and things didnt work out right. Now yall got a new choice to stay on here and hate or move on to bigger and better. I truely hope PA land on yalls feet where ever that is! [/quote] Good Post bro.  Bro has nothing to do with race. lol jk

[quote name="Cheermom4" post="1166654" timestamp="1327671313"] [quote author=BigTitan link=topic=94298.msg1166630#msg1166630 date=1327651429] I gotta neat story.  We played against the Bridge City team and my son said the kids told him he was doing a good job even though he was knocking them down and hitting them hard.  He said, 'they're really cool, because they didn't get mad, they just kept TRYING THEIR BEST." This is coming from a 10 yr old mind you. lol Fast forward to our PNG P game.  We're scoring at will, with the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team.  One of our players was called out of his name, (we know what word was used) and the coach told the player to don't worry about it, just play ball.  He did so.  It kept happening and the situation was brought to the refs attention and it was difussed.  I had to explain to my son that those kids learned those words from their parents, and when you hear kids saying that, don't be mad at them, because they think thats its OK, because its being said at home. He said, and I quote, " Well, Bridge City "KIDS" can teach "SOME" of the PNG  P "PARENTS"  a lesson in sportsmanship and good manners. lmao  And he was very serious when he said it. lol I hate the fact that I have to explain to my son the N word at such a young age.  [b]Every race has its good and its bad and its horrible.  Most are good in every race, and that's the people I associate with.  The bad and horrible BLACKS, WHITES, HISPANICS, ETC.  I stay away from, and thats just human nature from responsible people and parents.  The ignorance of the SOME, doesn't distort my opinion of the WHOLE.    I wished all people used that logic when dealing with others.[/b] Judge my by the content of my character, and I'll do the same. BigTitan, out!!!! lol [/quote] This is the motto I live by and have taught my kids. [/quote] Its crazy we all can't use that common sense.

[quote name="thetragichippy" post="1166688" timestamp="1327673536"] [quote author=BigTitan link=topic=94298.msg1166627#msg1166627 date=1327649170] I want to debunk some ot the stamtements made about on the field actions by PA.  I've been to quite a few games other than Port Arthur, and I've seen way worse conduct by other coaches.  Football is a competitive sport and coaches are competitive also.  When you take out the fire from the game like that, you might as well be playing soccer.  What you can't do is single out PA coaches for being fired up on the field, questioning some bad calls, or even making sure that their team stays competitive during the ENTIRE game.  So if our 2nd or 3rd team scores on your 1st or 2nd team you need to do a better job as a coach.  All the pretty good teams have blown out weaker teams, so please don't bring that up.  Its kinda redundant. lol  Like Mr. Ned stated, sometimes time is an issue.  Against a few team the PA Jr team scored on their first 3 or 4 plays, and the starting RB was moved and another player (really good too) scored and the opposing team thought it was the same player even though they had different numbers.  They were pissed to no end.  lol  They really didn't believe that we were that good because This "Stacked Team" Lost 2 Games Prior. lol After our other RB was taken out because he scored 2X the third RB, whom was  the smallest player on the FIELD, also scored 2X.  Are we supposed to QUIT if this happens.  I don't know about everybody else, but in the city where I'm from, "WE FIGHT, WE FIGHT, WE FIGHT". lol  From the 1st to the 3rd TEAM, WE FIGHT. lol  Real coaches respect that. This next statement has nothing to do with wanting to rejoin STJFL. Its just my Opinion.  In life, people  do make mistakes, and aren't given the death penalty.  Why can't anyone understand that in your first year everything isn't going to go smooth.  That doesn't mean that the rules that were broken were intentional.  To some of you (I've been reading) lol, its black and white.  Its simple, they TRIED TO "CHEAT".  That's too easy of an explanation to be the truth.  Sometimes you have to really investigate the situation and see what happened and you'll really  find out that it wasn't intentional at all.  You may not believe it, but a lot of these kids play together on other teams (other sports), and these coaches coach other sports also, so do you think these volunteers (coaches) would intentionally cut kids because they want a STACKED team.  If you believe that, you're dead wrong.  I know these guys personally, and I won't lie for anybody.  I totally understand the playoff situation, BUT why not just that team?  Why the entire league, on down to the flag kids?  Come up with an answer for that.  That was a sign from the league of what they really thought about PA.  I would rather see my son COMPETE (lets not forget that word when discussing football)  against the best and LOSE, than to WIN and dodge real competion.  Thats just me.  Regardless of if a team is "STACKED" or not, these kids are all the same age, and I will NEVER allow my son to be intimidated by another kid HIS OWN AGE because he's somehow better.  Like I said baby, in PA, "We FIght, We Fight, We Fight". lol You Fellas  Be Blessed.  Fight On, All Teams BigTitan out!!! lol [/quote] that's a lot of words to say we "didn't mean to cheat" or "we didn't mean to break the rules"  ::) [/quote] If thats what you got from my post, then it is what it is. Like I said, be blessed.  Fight on, ALL teams.  PA isn't the first to unknowingly break a rule, and they wont be the last.  What do you have to say about PNG having a undefeated team, another good team, and a winless team.???  If you can't answer that logically, then please kill the PA Jr team being Stacked issue.  Last time I heard, they LOST 2 games.  Not undefeated, like PNG W or winless like PNG G.  That is a huge disparity for coaches that say they don't stack their teams.  Obviously, someone got a better deal with their team. Try explaining that fact and please make sense. 

I gotta neat story.  We played against the Bridge City team and my son said the kids told him he was doing a good job even though he was knocking them down and hitting them hard.  He said, 'they're really cool, because they didn't get mad, they just kept TRYING THEIR BEST." This is coming from a 10 yr old mind you. lol Fast forward to our PNG P game.  We're scoring at will, with the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team.  One of our players was called out of his name, (we know what word was used) and the coach told the player to don't worry about it, just play ball.  He did so.  It kept happening and the situation was brought to the refs attention and it was difussed.  I had to explain to my son that those kids learned those words from their parents, and when you hear kids saying that, don't be mad at them, because they think thats its OK, because its being said at home. He said, and I quote, " Well, Bridge City "KIDS" can teach "SOME" of the PNG  P "PARENTS"  a lesson in sportsmanship and good manners. lmao  And he was very serious when he said it. lol I hate the fact that I have to explain to my son the N word at such a young age.  Every race has its good and its bad and its horrible.  Most are good in every race, and that's the people I associate with.  The bad and horrible BLACKS, WHITES, HISPANICS, ETC.  I stay away from, and thats just human nature from responsible people and parents.  The ignorance of the SOME, doesn't distort my opinion of the WHOLE.    I wished all people used that logic when dealing with others. Judge my by the content of my character, and I'll do the same. BigTitan, out!!!! lol 

I want to debunk some ot the stamtements made about on the field actions by PA.  I've been to quite a few games other than Port Arthur, and I've seen way worse conduct by other coaches.  Football is a competitive sport and coaches are competitive also.  When you take out the fire from the game like that, you might as well be playing soccer.  What you can't do is single out PA coaches for being fired up on the field, questioning some bad calls, or even making sure that their team stays competitive during the ENTIRE game.  So if our 2nd or 3rd team scores on your 1st or 2nd team you need to do a better job as a coach.  All the pretty good teams have blown out weaker teams, so please don't bring that up.  Its kinda redundant. lol  Like Mr. Ned stated, sometimes time is an issue.  Against a few team the PA Jr team scored on their first 3 or 4 plays, and the starting RB was moved and another player (really good too) scored and the opposing team thought it was the same player even though they had different numbers.  They were pissed to no end.  lol  They really didn't believe that we were that good because This "Stacked Team" Lost 2 Games Prior. lol After our other RB was taken out because he scored 2X the third RB, whom was  the smallest player on the FIELD, also scored 2X.  Are we supposed to QUIT if this happens.  I don't know about everybody else, but in the city where I'm from, "WE FIGHT, WE FIGHT, WE FIGHT". lol  From the 1st to the 3rd TEAM, WE FIGHT. lol  Real coaches respect that. This next statement has nothing to do with wanting to rejoin STJFL. Its just my Opinion.  In life, people  do make mistakes, and aren't given the death penalty.  Why can't anyone understand that in your first year everything isn't going to go smooth.  That doesn't mean that the rules that were broken were intentional.  To some of you (I've been reading) lol, its black and white.  Its simple, they TRIED TO "CHEAT".  That's too easy of an explanation to be the truth.  Sometimes you have to really investigate the situation and see what happened and you'll really  find out that it wasn't intentional at all.  You may not believe it, but a lot of these kids play together on other teams (other sports), and these coaches coach other sports also, so do you think these volunteers (coaches) would intentionally cut kids because they want a STACKED team.  If you believe that, you're dead wrong.  I know these guys personally, and I won't lie for anybody.  I totally understand the playoff situation, BUT why not just that team?  Why the entire league, on down to the flag kids?  Come up with an answer for that.  That was a sign from the league of what they really thought about PA.  I would rather see my son COMPETE (lets not forget that word when discussing football)  against the best and LOSE, than to WIN and dodge real competion.  Thats just me.  Regardless of if a team is "STACKED" or not, these kids are all the same age, and I will NEVER allow my son to be intimidated by another kid HIS OWN AGE because he's somehow better.  Like I said baby, in PA, "We FIght, We Fight, We Fight". lol You Fellas  Be Blessed.  Fight On, All Teams BigTitan out!!! lol

I'm done with football.  My kid's goin play golf. lol  This is too much of a headache.  Golf, here we come.  You guys be blessed and prosperous.

[quote name="Scalp'em" post="1164163" timestamp="1327245471"] Come on Big Titan, RJ may be the reason we scored 3 TD's, but only scored 2 times against us. Once on a kickoff and one big play. We as a team held ya'll in check during that game. It takes more then one player to do that against PA or WOS. Give us a little credit. There's no doubt that eventually PA is going to get some trophies and I would love see ya'll stay. Keep us updated on what happens. [/quote] I didn't say that he was the reason you guys won,  its called a team.  I acknowledged that he is a PA kid.  That's it.  I also stated that he might be the best Jr player in the league.  Nothing about him being the entire team, READ my post AGAIN.  If we were stacking this team, I would have told them to go and talk to his dad and see if he would come join the PA Titans. lol  I'm just saying, if we were stacking.

[quote name="thetragichippy" post="1164296" timestamp="1327273029"] I find it funny that P.A.(actually 2 posters from P.A.) lump all the cities together and accuse us of racism, being weak, etc....but are complaining that we should not lump the entire P.A. organization as cheaters because of one team or one coach. That my friends is double standards. [/quote] First of all, the team that was accused of cheating did nothing of the sort.  We have to get that str8.  So being labeled that doesn't matter because most of us know what happened.  If we stacked a team, do you think those kids would have lost a game.  Let's use some common sense.  SOME of the people from these other cities have shown their prejudice towards some of us.  That sir is a fact.  I did not say that the orgainization was racist.  I wanted to know why my league was kicked out.  There are other teams that have amazing talent, black players, and win (WOS).  So us being new in the league, amazing talent, and being black : one or two of those were a factor.  I could care less who lives in a fantasy land and believes that people don't get treated differently because of the color of their skin.  I know all too well that if this was a caucasian team,  a decision this blatant, cruel, and swift would not have been made.  Sometimes we have to stop the politics and be real.  I've given examples of the ignorance that was shown by KIDS of an opposing team . You're telling me that it came from their little innocent minds or the minds of adults that arent prejudice???? Mind you, I said some, not ALL.  But SOME is enough to tarnish the image of the entire league.  Honesty is the best policy no matter who's feelings get hurt.

PA kids have always been a little bit faster, stronger, and tougher.  PNG W's best player (maybe the best in the league in Jr) is a PA kid.  He left the Cowboys 3 yrs ago for STJFL.  In the PA Jr games after their early mishaps, they destroyed the competition.  Almost on every play a player on the opposing team was either crying or on the ground.  One time their were 4 on the ground at the same time.  I heard parents say they're hitting too hard. lol  One guy said, "they're used to violence" as I was walking behind him to the concession stand.  But thats neither here nor there.  Used to it.  When next year comes and we don't play against PNG, Ned, Vid, Lum, etc: I will just tell my son the truth:  They're scared their kid's teams will never win another Super Bowl with the combination of PA and WOS in the league.  I teach my kid to fear nothing and no one.  Some coaches from those cities missed that lesson as a child.  Its really possible if PA would have made the playoffs, they could have won the SuperBowl in every division.  No Joke.  Look at the stats.  One of the best flag, pwee, jr, and sr teams.  2nd best overall record in the league behind WOS by one or two games. Wow, I would be scarred too.  (Their 1st year) lol jk

[quote name="58SHW" post="1161210" timestamp="1326742776"] [quote author=TITANS2011 link=topic=94298.msg1161204#msg1161204 date=1326741932] [quote author=58SHW link=topic=94298.msg1161194#msg1161194 date=1326741077] [quote author=TITANS2011 link=topic=94298.msg1161185#msg1161185 date=1326739186] [quote author=BigTitan link=topic=94298.msg1160270#msg1160270 date=1326594511] Is there someone that can explain why Port Arthur was voted out of the STJFL.  There is no reason for denying our kids to play in this league that has teams from all over the area.  Its only proper for someone that was involoved in the process to explain what happened.  This is wrong on so many levels.  STJFL, its time to step up and do some explaining. [/quote] Lets be honest here. It is a shame that Port Arthur were voted out of STJFL. We can all blame it on violations, cheating, stacking and many other reasons. But the truth will never come out! It was one thing for the Port Arthur kids to have good talent and win their games but it becomes a problem in STJFL League when they win too many games! If anyone remembers, Port Arthur was punished for the assuption of STACKING, in which STJFL punished them by taking playoff opportuinity away. A punishment that was harsh but also taken with pride and the kids still had an opportunity to participate. During the entire football season, there are only a handful of incidents that can be named out of all their 5 teams, compared to other STJFL teams that had MORE THAN A FEW! Is this a good enough reason why the entire organization is kicked out? No! Unfortunatly, many don't want to admit it, but I am pretty sure that athletic ability and [size=14pt][color=red][u][b]race played a part of it[/b][/u][/color][/size]! It is just sad that in the yr of 2012 people are still discriminated against, and most of all it not only affects the adults, but about 150 children as well. There should have been a better resolution to this situation, but to STJFL kicking Port Arthur out was their solution. I know that everyboy don't agree and this is a fourm of opinions, this is just mine [/quote] And as long as people like you get on here and spew this crap without facts to support it....it will stay live and well....but then again, its become expected not only on this site but most anywhere... Why not offer facts (if known) or wait until they are...rather than make assumptions to this degree....if RACE is in fact the reason and you KNOW that and can PROVE that...then those  responsible should be punished while returning PA to the league....if you cant...then it just make those playing the "race card" look all the more ignorant! [/quote] You want facts okay! #1. Stjfl punished Port Arthur for improper registration. A punishment that was served out #2. Port Arthur played a great season without altercations that lead up to indefinate suspension, disqualifications, or MPRs not being met. #3. Port Arthur's overall wins vs. loses were the best in the league. #4. The fate of Port Arthur was not an issue during the entire season. #5. Port Arthur's kids were not able to participated in the Super Bowl to be crowned champions but they were asked to participate in the Pro Bowl (to help the other teams) WHAT MORE CAN I SAY or WHAT OTHER FACTS DO YOU WANT? Let me guess these facts are all reason why Port Arthur should STAY IN STJFL? Or are these facts the reason WHY THEY WERE KICKED OUT? [b]QUOTE: The only thing worst than someone being racist, is PRETENDING THAT THEY ARE NOT![/b][/quote] There you go again....No way to "prove" whether I am or am not a racist based on what I said....your comments however is "proof" you played the race card..... [b]Even "if" what you say is correct and are facts, what is there to gain by bashing STJFL on this basis[/b]. It would seem to me, it would only create more hostility. Therefore you aren't helping the kids of PA, you are doing them no more good than the ones you accuse.... ;) To be proactive rather than reactive might serve you and the kids of PA better.....just saying [/quote] If you were slapped in the face, would you react or be proactive?  The City of Port Arthur was disrespected by the STJFL, and the league president wasn't notified of his league's termination.  If anyone thinks thats ok, you're pathetic and they're cowards for not being men and tell this man about their decision face to face.   

[quote name="58SHW" post="1161194" timestamp="1326741077"] [quote author=TITANS2011 link=topic=94298.msg1161185#msg1161185 date=1326739186] [quote author=BigTitan link=topic=94298.msg1160270#msg1160270 date=1326594511] Is there someone that can explain why Port Arthur was voted out of the STJFL.  There is no reason for denying our kids to play in this league that has teams from all over the area.  Its only proper for someone that was involoved in the process to explain what happened.  This is wrong on so many levels.  STJFL, its time to step up and do some explaining. [/quote] Lets be honest here. It is a shame that Port Arthur were voted out of STJFL. We can all blame it on violations, cheating, stacking and many other reasons. But the truth will never come out! It was one thing for the Port Arthur kids to have good talent and win their games but it becomes a problem in STJFL League when they win too many games! If anyone remembers, Port Arthur was punished for the assuption of STACKING, in which STJFL punished them by taking playoff opportuinity away. A punishment that was harsh but also taken with pride and the kids still had an opportunity to participate. During the entire football season, there are only a handful of incidents that can be named out of all their 5 teams, compared to other STJFL teams that had MORE THAN A FEW! Is this a good enough reason why the entire organization is kicked out? No! Unfortunatly, many don't want to admit it, but I am pretty sure that athletic ability and [size=14pt][color=red][u][b]race played a part of it[/b][/u][/color][/size]! It is just sad that in the yr of 2012 people are still discriminated against, and most of all it not only affects the adults, but about 150 children as well. There should have been a better resolution to this situation, but to STJFL kicking Port Arthur out was their solution. I know that everyboy don't agree and this is a fourm of opinions, this is just mine [/quote] And as long as people like you get on here and spew this crap without facts to support it....it will stay live and well....but then again, its become expected not only on this site but most anywhere... Why not offer facts (if known) or wait until they are...rather than make assumptions to this degree....if RACE is in fact the reason and you KNOW that and can PROVE that...then those  responsible should be punished while returning PA to the league....if you cant...then it just make those playing the "race card" look all the more ignorant! [/quote] Do you really think PA would return to STJFL even if they were asked?  Really? lol  People make assumptions when people that have the answers remain silent.  Its human nature lil buddy.  We all do it.

Where are they going?  I'm 100% sure they will be playing tho.

[quote name="PA4Life" post="1162951" timestamp="1327004434"] First off let me say that I knew that this was going to happen whether this year or in a few years.  I am a former Pop Warner Coach of 15 years and a parent of one of the Lil Titans.  I witnessed on a few occassions at some of their games where the opposing teams would make up rules as they go along to try to prevent the Lil Titans from winning.  Now as for the PA Lil Titans coaches and Board members the first thing that you should have done was read and discussed all rules with STJFL President and board. To make sure that you werent breaking any of them.  Secondly, STJFL has a rule that you can't stack a team.  PA was accused of Stacking one of their teams.  But can someone please explain how PNG has 3 teams in a division and they all finish with different record. 1 team 8 - 0, the next 4 - 4 and the other 0-8.  Now they say that they drafted their teams. But what coach do you know would draft all kids to a team that would be 0-8. Please Explain. And Lastly, PA people and fans.  Our high school Memorial Titans are going thru the same thing right now as we speak.  None of the teams that have association with the STJFL want to play our kids.  Race has nothing to do with it, ITS TALENT.  Our kids from Flag to High School has tremedous talent on all levels.  At the High School Level. PNG has backed out of their game with Memorial, but says that they would scrimmage us.  Nederland has said that he would never play Memorial. And the other schools are just to afraid to even think about playing us.  So it has nothing to do with race.  ITS ABOUT THE TALENT WE HAVE IN PA. They can run all they want, but when colleges come to SE Texas, they dont stop in Nederland, Pt. Neches or even Bridge City.  They go to PORT ARTHUR.  Oh except for LAMAR. [/quote] I like that remark about PNG's 3 teams. lol  Thought I was the only one that thought like that.

[quote name="TITANS2011" post="1162819" timestamp="1326991017"] [quote author=Tebowing link=topic=94298.msg1162639#msg1162639 date=1326973589] I'm hearing Orangfield, Bridge City, LCM, Kountze and Wos are talking behind closed doors on a possible forming their own league. Let me reiterate, I have no facts, just something I've heard. Heard it more then once for weeks now, and I'm sure others have heard of this as well. [/quote] I heard the same thing! And more than once also. If this is true, then there might be some truth in to the reason why no one is speaking up on why Port Arthur was kicked out. For other teams to consider leaving STJFL, makes the entire league look bad. If youth football is suppossed to be about the kids and STJFL is standing up to that, then why would other teams leave. ****I guess this is another question that will never be answered***** [/quote] That might have been the door opening that the PA president was talking about.  That shows u that a lot of people do think the decisions that have been made were wrong and unjust.  If we keep it about the kids, then everything else will str8in itself out.

[quote name="Tebowing" post="1162591" timestamp="1326944613"] By kicking P.A out, im hearing STJFL will lose 4 others teams. If so, this is sad. Just let P.A in. Their kids don't deserve this. [/quote] Why will they lose the other 4 teams?

[quote name="Cheermom4" post="1162510" timestamp="1326933223"] [quote author=BigTitan link=topic=94298.msg1162484#msg1162484 date=1326931427] [quote author=Cheermom4 link=topic=94298.msg1162167#msg1162167 date=1326899703] [quote author=BigTitan link=topic=94298.msg1161885#msg1161885 date=1326852241] [quote author=SgtRey link=topic=94298.msg1161869#msg1161869 date=1326851368] [quote author=BigTitan link=topic=94298.msg1161861#msg1161861 date=1326850876] [quote author=SgtRey link=topic=94298.msg1161851#msg1161851 date=1326850399] We had a similar situation happen to the Beaumont Bulls....but the Senior Team was removed....why?  cause we kicked butt!!!....but the President of the league, who also coached a senior team, didn't feel he could compete with a team of our caliber....so, they just removed us....ASSUMING we stacked ONE team...not all our teams...just the one his son competed in... ::) Sometimes you just have to deal with a hater that was given a lil more power....they still exist...as for all the racist comments by the kids...what can one say?...do the best you can in raising your kids...that's all one can do... I don't know why PA was removed, but I can share the facts of my experience when we were removed from the other league. [/quote] Was it the first year, or were you guys there longer? [/quote]1st year [/quote] Wow.  Did they give you guys a reason.  [b]In my eyes,  its supposed to be about the kids.[/b]  They totally ignored that very IMPORTANT fact.  This doesn't bring us together, it only separates us.  But I guess I'm playing the race card.  Oh well. [/quote] How old is your oldest child and is this your first year playing in sports?  I have all girls but I do have nephews that play sports and my girls played sports in Middle School and one played Basketball at the YMCA.  Stuff like this happens in all sports, yes sports should be about the kids but in some cases it isn't.  It is more about the ego's of a few grown ups than sportsmanship of the kids.  Let me tell you about my experience at the YMCA of PA.  When my daughter was in 7th grade and just started playing BB a friend of ours got a team of girls together and formed a coed team to play at the Y.  The team my daughter was on was the only team to play against the all boy teams and they held their own but lost every time.  Now when they played the other girl teams they won but did take some cheap shots and the Coach of one of the teams showed the worst sportsmanship I have ever seen from a grown up and she was over all the sports at the Y.  What a great thing to teach those kids.  NOT  I was so disgusted with this coaches display of unsportsmanship not only to our coach but to the kids.  She wouldn't let her team shack out teams hand and she wouldn't even congratulate our coach on winning.  That was the last time my child ever played at the Y. It isn't about weather  you win or lose but how you play the game and what your coaches teach you.  I also wrote a letter to the director of the Y and never heard a word back from them. [/quote] My son is 11.  He's been playing for awhile now.  I haven't told him about the STFJL decision and I won't, because there will always be youth football. [/quote] I hate that whatever reason that the PA league was kicked out.  Weather it was right or wrong doesn't matter and you probably will never get an answer.  Just remind your son that sometimes there are things in life that are not fair but that he should always be the best he can be no matter what.  I am sure as a parent you doing everything you can to protect your child from all the ugliness of the world but sometimes we can't we just have to do the best we can.  Good Luck to you and your family in whatever the future holds in football and other sports. [/quote] Thanks.  Same to you and your family.

The PA Junior team had an infraction for supposedly stacking their team.  How can you stack a team with the same players the coaches coached the year before in Pop Warner.  I don't know if the board knew that or not.  Their problem was not keeping track of the ALL the players that registered.  That was not intentional, no matter what some may think.  Those coaches are stand up guys, and  insinuating that they cheated was a shot at their character.  The STJFL board should have heard out the coaches before they made a final decision.  So the whole year we had the stigma of being a stacked team which was far from the truth.  But no one cared about the truth.  That Jr team lost 2 games.  If it was a stacked team, they would have killed the competition from game 1.  FYI

[quote name="Cheermom4" post="1162167" timestamp="1326899703"] [quote author=BigTitan link=topic=94298.msg1161885#msg1161885 date=1326852241] [quote author=SgtRey link=topic=94298.msg1161869#msg1161869 date=1326851368] [quote author=BigTitan link=topic=94298.msg1161861#msg1161861 date=1326850876] [quote author=SgtRey link=topic=94298.msg1161851#msg1161851 date=1326850399] We had a similar situation happen to the Beaumont Bulls....but the Senior Team was removed....why?  cause we kicked butt!!!....but the President of the league, who also coached a senior team, didn't feel he could compete with a team of our caliber....so, they just removed us....ASSUMING we stacked ONE team...not all our teams...just the one his son competed in... ::) Sometimes you just have to deal with a hater that was given a lil more power....they still exist...as for all the racist comments by the kids...what can one say?...do the best you can in raising your kids...that's all one can do... I don't know why PA was removed, but I can share the facts of my experience when we were removed from the other league. [/quote] Was it the first year, or were you guys there longer? [/quote]1st year [/quote] Wow.  Did they give you guys a reason.  [b]In my eyes,  its supposed to be about the kids.[/b]  They totally ignored that very IMPORTANT fact.  This doesn't bring us together, it only separates us.  But I guess I'm playing the race card.  Oh well. [/quote] How old is your oldest child and is this your first year playing in sports?  I have all girls but I do have nephews that play sports and my girls played sports in Middle School and one played Basketball at the YMCA.  Stuff like this happens in all sports, yes sports should be about the kids but in some cases it isn't.  It is more about the ego's of a few grown ups than sportsmanship of the kids.  Let me tell you about my experience at the YMCA of PA.  When my daughter was in 7th grade and just started playing BB a friend of ours got a team of girls together and formed a coed team to play at the Y.  The team my daughter was on was the only team to play against the all boy teams and they held their own but lost every time.  Now when they played the other girl teams they won but did take some cheap shots and the Coach of one of the teams showed the worst sportsmanship I have ever seen from a grown up and she was over all the sports at the Y.  What a great thing to teach those kids.  NOT  I was so disgusted with this coaches display of unsportsmanship not only to our coach but to the kids.  She wouldn't let her team shack out teams hand and she wouldn't even congratulate our coach on winning.  That was the last time my child ever played at the Y. It isn't about weather  you win or lose but how you play the game and what your coaches teach you.  I also wrote a letter to the director of the Y and never heard a word back from them. [/quote] My son is 11.  He's been playing for awhile now.  I haven't told him about the STFJL decision and I won't, because there will always be youth football.

[quote name="58SHW" post="1161381" timestamp="1326808537"] [quote author=TITANS2011 link=topic=94298.msg1161244#msg1161244 date=1326749588] [quote author=elhector1 link=topic=94298.msg1161235#msg1161235 date=1326748205] [quote author=58SHW link=topic=94298.msg1161212#msg1161212 date=1326743320] I dont have a dog in this hunt....or even know anything about either party. I just saw the race card and frankly get tired of it....[b][color=red]no one gains from taking that approach, even if it is fact[/color][/b]. Race is a barrier built by people who aren't tolerant of others that are different in looks only....both are equally bad....those who display it...and those who accuse (especially without proof)....the only way to break those barriers is to be the better person (on either side). Especially when kids are envolved....good luck PA figuring out whats best for the KIDS! [/quote] In other words, sit down, shut up, and do as you are told?  may not have been your intention, but that is how it came across... As for "playing the race card"...ifyou have gone through and eliminated any other issue that might have caused your community's removal from competition, and are only left with the "race card"...and the organization responsible for voting you out gives no valid reason as to why...then, to me at least, race MAY have played a part.  You acknowlege it in your post with the words "even if it is fact".  Why must folks be quiet when they are possibly being discriminated against?  THough I have no "dog in this hunt" as well, I CAN tell you that there are communitied in the Golden Triangle who teach their kids racist ways.  The saddest evidence that I have, you will consider hearsay, but it happened in an Orange County town,  but not the one that has been dragged through the mud in the media.  I was walking across the field with my team mother, who was African American, and heard one little flag player exclaim to his friend "how could you let that little ****** beat you"?  I was going to go over to the kid to ask to talk to his parents, but that team mom stopped me...and told me that it was no big deal, she had gotten used to it...I was dumbfounded.  She was being the bigger person, but I wonder what happened to that little boy who had no idea what he had said?  In the same way, STJFL needs to step up, explain their actions, and clear the air.  They voted them out, they need to say why.  If they don't, of course people will speculate about it, right or wrong... [/quote] I personally appreciate it when a person looks from the outside in, instead of defending something/someone just on the fact that the "RACE CARD" has been played. Facts are facts and harshly as they seem. There was no reason given to why this has happened to Port Arthur, and there will not be a STJFL rep, (that governs this site) to step up and explain anything. Not because they feel that it was a justifiable thing to do, no one will step up because it was THE WRONG THING TO DO! And instead of allowing children to play together, they instead decide the best thing to do is not to associate! [b]WOW STJFL......WAY TO SHOW YOUR KIDS WHAT NOT TO DO![/b] I am pretty sure that Port Arthur will bounce back against adversity and succeed! GO TITANS! [/quote] I've said IF you can PROVE this has anything to do with race then the one leading this should be disciplined.... But if you think the above statement is any better than: WOW PA PARENTS WAY TO SHOW YOUR KIDS WHAT TO DO (scream racism every time you dont get your way) then you are just as guilty as the ones you accuse..... Stop accusing, playing race card...stand up and YOU do what is right by the PA kids...why does it matter what THEY do....do it bigger, do it better than them...why would you WANT your kids to be involved with people like that (if what you say is true)... Teach them that no matter what stupid people (and there will always be some) in this world says or does, you are better than that...beat them at their own game...make PA proud by taking the high road (and that doesn't mean sit down shut up and take it)....it means STAND TALLER AND DO BETTER THAN THEM! Honestly, they dont OWE you anything, an expalnation, a reason, time of day, etc.....it's their league. Personally, I wouldnt want to be part of anything that didnt WANT me.... [/quote] Its not about anybody owing me anything.  How you got that from what I posted is beyond me. lol If your kid's team's organization was voted out for no reason given to you, what would you do as a concerned parent?  If you were a real parent, you would want an answer.  That's what we want.  It has nothing at all to do with wanting to be apart of the league again.  If the reason was legitimate, then I would understand, but WE need an answer.  They didn't even inform the PA league president of the decision.  Make sense of that.

[quote name="SgtRey" post="1161869" timestamp="1326851368"] [quote author=BigTitan link=topic=94298.msg1161861#msg1161861 date=1326850876] [quote author=SgtRey link=topic=94298.msg1161851#msg1161851 date=1326850399] We had a similar situation happen to the Beaumont Bulls....but the Senior Team was removed....why?  cause we kicked butt!!!....but the President of the league, who also coached a senior team, didn't feel he could compete with a team of our caliber....so, they just removed us....ASSUMING we stacked ONE team...not all our teams...just the one his son competed in... ::) Sometimes you just have to deal with a hater that was given a lil more power....they still exist...as for all the racist comments by the kids...what can one say?...do the best you can in raising your kids...that's all one can do... I don't know why PA was removed, but I can share the facts of my experience when we were removed from the other league. [/quote] Was it the first year, or were you guys there longer? [/quote]1st year [/quote] Wow.  Did they give you guys a reason.  In my eyes,  its supposed to be about the kids.  They totally ignored that very IMPORTANT fact.  This doesn't bring us together, it only separates us.  But I guess I'm playing the race card.  Oh well.

[quote name="SgtRey" post="1161851" timestamp="1326850399"] We had a similar situation happen to the Beaumont Bulls....but the Senior Team was removed....why?  cause we kicked butt!!!....but the President of the league, who also coached a senior team, didn't feel he could compete with a team of our caliber....so, they just removed us....ASSUMING we stacked ONE team...not all our teams...just the one his son competed in... ::) Sometimes you just have to deal with a hater that was given a lil more power....they still exist...as for all the racist comments by the kids...what can one say?...do the best you can in raising your kids...that's all one can do... I don't know why PA was removed, but I can share the facts of my experience when we were removed from the other league. [/quote] Was it the first year, or were you guys there longer?

[quote name="BigTitan" post="1161545" timestamp="1326826359"] [quote author=jlh370 link=topic=94298.msg1161392#msg1161392 date=1326810767] To all PA Titan fans and parents, as the president of the organization, rest assure we will be playing ball next year, I will give each and everyone of you the details soon, I was working real diligently on resolving some issues.  As far as the comments here which have been made, no one knows the reasons for what took place including myself.  But we already have a solution and are progressing.  So if you are with us I ask that we move foward, the saying goes when one door closes another one opens, and believe you and me wait till you see what we have in store.  [/quote] THANK YOU That's all I ask for. [/quote] I thank and aprreciate you for being steadfast in taking care of the situation.  We are very lucky to have you as the President of the league.  But something is wrong when people don't have the morals to explain to YOU out of all people the reason your league was voted out.  I find that very un settling and disturbing.  If I'm wrong, then I'd just have to be wrong. Everyone has a strong opinion about parents that are upset about things that are unjust. Common decency is a lost trait.