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[Hidden Content] personally I would rather have the Astros draft Mark Appel or Zunino. I'm not big on taking high school players with the 1st pick, anybody remember Tim Beckam or Matt Bush? 2 out of the last 3 1st overall picks that were drafted out of High School haven't even played 1 game in the Majors. Bush was drafted in 04 and just made it to AA last year and has had numerous legal troubles. Beckam was drafted in 08 and in 37 games in AAA he is hitting all of .238 and is averaging more than 1k per game. High School players are just too risky for the Astros to draft this early. The Astros can not afford to miss on thier first round pics like the Yankees or Red Sox can.

[quote name="Rake1" post="1226578" timestamp="1338195058"] [quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=100237.msg1226573#msg1226573 date=1338177396] [quote author=gtsports98 link=topic=100237.msg1226543#msg1226543 date=1338169237]   We should all petition the UIL about one game series!  This team was too good to be put out because of one inning. [/quote] Why do you assume BC would win in a 3 game series? Robinson is the #1 team in the state. The odds were in Robinson's favor to advance either way. [/quote] No scientific explanation here and no way to prove the point but most folks who follow 3A baseball would lean towards BC having a deeper/better staff than Robinson and in a 3 game series it's usually ([i]not all the time[/i]) the better team that wins. For example look at the Robinson vs Bullard series, it was all Robinson could do to get out of that round in a 3 gamer and Bullard's pitching staff isn't even close to BC's. If the odds "were in Robinson's favor" as you stated above why did they opt for a 1 game against BC like the [color=blue][b]Falcons[/b][/color] did? Because they knew, just like [color=blue][b]Huffman[/b][/color] did, that they couldn't beat BC 2 out of 3. The fact that Robinson had just thrown a no hitter and a 1 hitter in the Bullard series and still flipped BC for a 1 game says it all and that is "we want no part of BC in a 3 game series". Regardless of which team you were rooting for the saddest thing about the whole issue is that all the baseball fans who had been waiting for these two teams to meet up were deprived of watching #1 vs #2 slug it out for 3 games. That would have been awesome. BC had a great year for sure and has nothing to be ashamed of. Rake1 [/quote] No. If I was Robinson and had probably the best pitcher in the state on my team I would flip for a 1 gamer every time. It has nothing to do with being scared of BC, they are just making the safe pick. Why risk a 3 game series when you can send a pitcher out there it is going to win a vast majority of time. The only reason the bullard series went 3 games is because of errors. Hollingsworth threw a no hitter in the 1st game and they still lost. Robinson pitching staff is pretty dang good they threw a no hitter and a 1 hitter in the 3rd round of the playoffs, maybe BC might be a bit deeper pitching wise, but not by much. Don't get me wrong BC is a great team and I listened to that game routing for them to win, but I believe Robinson is better. I think Robinson would of won the series regardless of it it was 1 game or 3 games. Btw BC fans, if every playoff series was a 1 gamer then BC would probably still be playing right now. Bullard would of advanced over Robinson and I think everyone would take BC over Bullard. So maybe yall should petition the state to make all the playoffs 1 gamers ::).

[quote name="gtsports98" post="1226543" timestamp="1338169237"]   We should all petition the UIL about one game series!  This team was too good to be put out because of one inning. [/quote] Why do you assume BC would win in a 3 game series? Robinson is the #1 team in the state. The odds were in Robinson's favor to advance either way.

[quote name="aggieballer96" post="1223674" timestamp="1337352040"] you may have caught him on a bad night. He may have had some control issues but i would want to lose with my best player on the mound. DeBerry is like that all the time which creates a bad atmosphere for your players. It is why kids fold in a tight game. If you panic the players panic. For the most part they were just that much better than most of the teams they played. [/quote] You have no clue. First Listi has pitched of all maybe 10 innings this year, and he has major controll issues. He is not the guy I want pitching with the game on the line. Carver is the clear #2 guy and it was the right decision to put him in. Second Deberry is one if the best coaches in the area. He consistently gets the best out of his players every year. If you want proof just look at what he did in Dayton and then look at what Dayton is now that he left.

[quote name="LP6" post="1223856" timestamp="1337368783"] [quote author=DA_CLAW!!! link=topic=95361.msg1223815#msg1223815 date=1337365380] [quote author=LP6 link=topic=95361.msg1223792#msg1223792 date=1337363305] [quote author=I_Can_Do_It_ALL! link=topic=95361.msg1223748#msg1223748 date=1337358677] Please, explain LBer to me... Better yet, send me your highlight tape and let me see a real man in action!! [/quote] Lp6 is my only active registered SETX account. I played highschool football with Lp2012, and I can tell you right now the guy knew more about the game then anyone our entire team, and the simple fact that you continue to dummify the positions further magnifies your stupidity, I did not result to name calling as a result of me feeling defeated, I was not proven wrong and I still hold the firm belief that Liberty was a [u][b]great team[/b][/u] last year at 7-3 with 2 minor slip ups that could have been wins had we done more to get the job done, I won't remove myself from that position untill Huffman "blows Liberty out" in 2012, or until Cleveland beats Liberty in 2012, untill then I stand by my statements, I could care less what Coug whatever has to say as he was not there, neither was he there at the Huffman vs KPark, Huffman vs Coldspring, Liberty vs Huffman, Liberty vs Cleveland or Liberty vs Splendora, all games that I attended to strengthen my opinion that Liberty's loss to Cleveland was fluke, as well as the Huffman game. [/quote] Explain to me how you can be a great team and miss the playoffs. [/quote] Never said we were "great" You guys forget the only reason we are in this arguement is because the other district poster said LIBERTY WAS CLOSER IN SKIILL TO SPLENDORA TARKINGTON AND SHEPHERD THAN THEY ARE TOO HUFFMAN, and we for some odd reason have to give a whole list of explanations as to why this is true because Huffman is too arrogant to see that we have blown out Splendora the past two season just as bad as you, same goes for Tarkington and Shepherd, and you only beat us 40-20 that's my only point, not that Liberty is great not that we will win district but that we can compete with everyone in our district and that is all. [/quote] First you just said they were a great team in the post before. Second please show me where someone said Liberty is closer to tarkington and shepherd than they are to Huffman. I don't believe that was said. What was said is that Huffman is closer to Coldspring.than the rest of the district is to Huffman.

[quote name="adminbaberuth" post="1223406" timestamp="1337299895"] Huff.  3                      3-2-1 BC        [/quote] What happened?

[quote name="LP6" post="1223347" timestamp="1337283089"] [quote author=89falcon link=topic=95361.msg1223306#msg1223306 date=1337279557] [quote author=bjimbo link=topic=95361.msg1223147#msg1223147 date=1337263810] Hey I got a good one, instead of the huffman falcons, lets start saying the huffman move-ins!! 8) [/quote] If one of the other schools in question could get their academic problems sorted out then someone might move there. Liberty and Cleveland are known more for poor academic scores and criminal behavior than they are for anything else. If Liberty could retain their population they would still be one of the largest school in the district like they were a few years back when they won. [/quote] I won't disagree with all of that about Cleveland and the last part about Liberty, but we aren't known for our criminal behavior, neither is Cleveland but defintely not us. Cleveland is probably more known to past Huffman players for the numerous beatings they gave them, rather than their criminal behavior. And back to the point of, you guys saying Liberty is further away from Huffman in skill than Splendor, Tarkington and Shepherd are from Liberty? Liberty has posted 2 blowouts against Splendora in the past two seasons, 4 blowouts on Tarkington in the last 4 years, 2011 season was a blowout against Shepherd 2010 Liberty won, but it was it OT that should have never been forced upon us if we played our game from the beginning, Huffman however has blown Liberty out once in 3 years, they lost to Liberty in one of those 3 years then won a game 40-20, now you tell me how that is more of a gap that the 40+ to what was it 14 against Splendora 2 seasons ago, the win this year, the 63-8 blowout of tarkington and the 2 wins on shepherd, IMO it is very clear that there sits 3 teams on the bottom of 22-3A, then there is a huge gap between them and Liberty and if Liberty would've handled business this past season I would include Cleveland in those bottom teams, but I know now at least untill next season I will put Cleveland on the same level with Liberty, then there is a small gap between Liberty and Huffman, then a gap about as big as the gap between the bottom 3 from Huffman up to Coldsprings. Meaning the bottom 3 will not beat Huffman, Coldsprings or Liberty, then with the sloppy 2010 season who knows about Cleveland, but with the way the Huffman fans are talking about Coldsprings graduating players and other things, I'd say all 4 of those teams are in competition for playoffs, and the fact that Splendora put up a game against Cleveland and Cleveland upset Liberty then maybe they are too, my point? Huffman is on no level of their own, and the Cleveland fans are crazy to think they only have to worry about Huffman and Coldsprings, now my predictions? Liberty dominates Cleveland, Splendora, Tarkington and Shepherd next season, I'll make a prediction on Huffman and Coldspring after non-district. [/quote] Well Huffman obviously isn't that far from cs since they are the only one in the district that has been competitive with them, and the rest of the district isn't even competitive with Huffman. Every game Huffman has played in this district the last 2 years has been over before halftime except for one shepherd game and both cs games. Yeah cleveland has beat Huffman pretty good in the past, but can you please step out if you time machine and talk about the here and now.

[quote name="LP6" post="1223276" timestamp="1337276889"] [quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=95361.msg1223028#msg1223028 date=1337217013] [quote author=LP2012 link=topic=95361.msg1223027#msg1223027 date=1337216482] I am not saying we should have won, I said we could have, Liberty dropped some key passes, and turnovers killed them, but like you said, it is part of the game. What I was saying is that on another day Who knows maybe the two td passes would have been caught, and special teams would have held on to the ball maybe not idk. either way Liberty could have hung with Huffman player for player Liberty and Huffman are actually very close. This next year who knows, Liberty lost 4 veteran O-lineman so if they get that sorted out, then maybe next year is the year when Liberty takes out its revenge on Huffman i am not saying it will happen, however i will not be surprised if it does. [/quote] If Huffman Liberty are so close why did yall lose to Cleveland and we beat them by 40? why did you lost to CS by 50 and we lost by 17? The Huffman Liberty score will be similar to 2010. If Liberty comes within 21 that is a victory. [/quote] Because once again you are relying on scores to make your statements. Cleveland was down 20-0 to Liberty to start the 3rd, at that point Liberty lost their second inside sam line backer, we dont have 4A enrollment, when you lose TWO guys at the SAME position, and just stick a guy out there who's a heck of an athlete, but for one he was only a sophomore and two even if he was a senior it's hard to learn how to play sam linebacker in 24 minutes, especially when Cleveland's strength was their inside run game of Franks. As the D fell apart miserably the right things happened for Cleveland at the right time, they got their only stop the whole game, and with Liberty's luck that came at the same time they lost their defensive momentum, so with no momentum on either side of the ball, and an injury filled defense Cleveland had every shot in the world to win the game and they still only won by 5, you don't know how happy it makes us Panther fans to see that Cleveland post about "yall" are only worried about CS and Huffman, that's great because although we are mainly focused on them 2, I'm sure Coach Deel won't let our team forget the embarassing loss to a team we were TWICE as good as, and I'm sure he won't let those players forget the torn faces of the seniors after the game, and I'm sure he will let them know that they do not want to be in that same position as they were last year, sitting at home while a team not as talented as you gets a playoff shot. We won't be over looking Shepherd, Splendora, or Tarkington either, because they now know that anything is possible, and I've watched the class of 2013 since 7th grade, they never had a problem with Huffman's 2013 on the football field, thats minus your move ins in Austin Williams and Townley, but either way the Panthers will be ready next year. [/quote] Well since scores are ultimately the thing every team is judged by yeah im relying on them to make my point. Oh and Huffman doesn't have 4a enrollment either ;).

Gotta go with the homer pick. Huffman pulls off the upset 3-2.

The liberty running back.had a pretty darn good year so it probably hurt you more than you think. oh and Huffman is still about 70 below the 4a cutoff and Splendora has more kids this us now. So don't get your hopes up about us going back up anytime soon. You will still get a couple more beatdowns from those "move-ins".

[quote name="Indian Fan" post="1223214" timestamp="1337272103"] [quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=95361.msg1223182#msg1223182 date=1337268084] [quote author=bjimbo link=topic=95361.msg1223147#msg1223147 date=1337263810] Hey I got a good one, instead of the huffman falcons, lets start saying the huffman move-ins!! 8) [/quote] Don't be jealous because we get a couple of kids that want to move to a nice school. Maybe you should try to fix up the crap hole that is Cleveland and people would actually want to move there too. [/quote] Come on Falcon, Cleveland has it's problems like every other town. Seems we have made the news alot in the last year, alot more than i would like. but on the other side we have a ton of great families in Cleveland that are trying hard to make a difference. we alos have a ton of kids in the school that are working hard, passing and not getting in trouble. crap hole, maybe to you...but it's our home don't put everyone in Cleveland in the same catagory please. [/quote] You're absolutely right. Cleveland does have some great people. The school has had it's problem, but hopefully they are going in a new direction I hear the new AD is a very good man. I am sorry for my comments. It just makes me mad when people try to say that Huffman is only good, because of our size or because we got some move ins. Like were they only school that had kids move into the district. Sorry again.

[quote name="bjimbo" post="1223185" timestamp="1337268515"] [quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=95361.msg1223182#msg1223182 date=1337268084] [quote author=bjimbo link=topic=95361.msg1223147#msg1223147 date=1337263810] Hey I got a good one, instead of the huffman falcons, lets start saying the huffman move-ins!! 8) [/quote] Don't be jealous because we get a couple of kids that want to move to a nice school. Maybe you should try to fix up the crap hole that is Cleveland and people would actually want to move there too. [/quote] I'm not sure what makes you think I'm from cleveland but anyways...a couple means two, if i'm correct your qb, last years middle backer, the two twins, and the running back are all move ins, so that is not a couple, if you take those kids away, well you look a lot like splendora!  didn't meant to hurt your feeling sir or madam, just thought some humor on this thread would be nice.  PS cleveland might be a crap hole, but at least they breed their athletes and just not check them in to the attendance clerk :P [/quote] The QB and Middle linebacker did move in fron other highschools. The RB has been in Huffman since middle school. The twins? Maybe you mean the Harrel brother, well they grew up in HD but I believe they moved over in middle school as well. Cleveland may breed thier own athletes, but that hasn't worked out so well in the last couple of years. Mayne you should try to get some moveins instead of losing your rb to liberty.

[quote name="bjimbo" post="1223147" timestamp="1337263810"] Hey I got a good one, instead of the huffman falcons, lets start saying the huffman move-ins!! 8) [/quote] Don't be jealous because we get a couple of kids that want to move to a nice school. Maybe you should try to fix up the crap hole that is Cleveland and people would actually want to move there too.

[quote name="LP2012" post="1223033" timestamp="1337217600"] In short injuries. Liberty does not have the advantage of having a large football team, and even though most of the starters are as good as Huffmans, the second string is for the most part horrible. In the cleveland game liberty lost both inside linebackers, during the game, and 2 backups due to concussions from practice, in the end a running back , who has not played defense since week 2 had to go in at sam linebacker. It is a hard position to pick up on the fly. After the cleveland game Liberty's D was broken. In the next week, Coldspring, There were 7 original starters on the defense, 3 backups, and 1 J.V player at DE. And they fought like crazy, and the team decided to opt out of a running clock. Not to mention in the fourth quarter Liberty started to let the Senior lineman have some fun and let them run the ball, which ended disasterously [/quote] Maybe your offensive starters might be equal to Huffman's, but your defensive starters are no where close.

[quote name="LP2012" post="1223027" timestamp="1337216482"] I am not saying we should have won, I said we could have, Liberty dropped some key passes, and turnovers killed them, but like you said, it is part of the game. What I was saying is that on another day Who knows maybe the two td passes would have been caught, and special teams would have held on to the ball maybe not idk. either way Liberty could have hung with Huffman player for player Liberty and Huffman are actually very close. This next year who knows, Liberty lost 4 veteran O-lineman so if they get that sorted out, then maybe next year is the year when Liberty takes out its revenge on Huffman i am not saying it will happen, however i will not be surprised if it does. [/quote] If Huffman Liberty are so close why did yall lose to Cleveland and we beat them by 40? why did you lost to CS by 50 and we lost by 17? The Huffman Liberty score will be similar to 2010. If Liberty comes within 21 that is a victory.

[quote name="LP2012" post="1223024" timestamp="1337214626"] I stand by what I said the game could have gone either way there were some key passes dropped by liberty players that woul have tied up the game so yes It could have gone either way [/quote] Dropping passes is part of the game. Catching the ball is a skill Huffman's receivers didnt have a problem catching the ball. You lost by 3 scores, you didn't drop 3 td passes. The game wasn't close get over it. Huffman had 2 dropped td passes in the Coldspring game, but you don't see me come on here and we should've won that game.

[quote name="LP2012" post="1223006" timestamp="1337210256"] Huffman did beat Liberty 40-20, but it was a much clser game than the scorboard showed. If you were at the game it was not a blowout until the 4th quarter, when Liberty's Offense stalled, and the defense fell apart. I personally believe that the game could have gone either way on any night. Huffman was the better team that night, however if they played ten times i believe that Liberty and Huffman would both win 5. [/quote] Are you joking? The score was 28-7 at the half. Huffman was up by 3tds for a majority of the game. Liberty didnt even score a second time till midway through the 4th  when Huffman had the subs in. If Huffman and Liberty played 10 times Huffman would win atleast 9 times.

[quote name="LP6" post="1222950" timestamp="1337196480"] [quote author=idk link=topic=95361.msg1222934#msg1222934 date=1337193634] I get a lot of humor reading the Huffman posts, Huffman has a good program but you are not even in the same league with Coldspring. You can get on hear and rag the other schools in the district all you want but everyone reading the posts knows the truth so just accept it and move on. What Huffman thinks they can to against Coldspring is the same thing that Liberty, Tarkington, Shepherd and Cleveland think they can do against Huffman. The funny part is the other schools in the district are closer to Huffman than Huffman is to Coldspring. For now and the near future you are only second best. [/quote] Agreed, after many arguements most of the Huffman posters will admit that they aren't on Coldspring's level, but after this season they seem to have went back to the idea that they are on Coldspring's level and every other school isn't. In my opinion, I still hold firm the belief that Liberty and Cleveland are in the same category with Huffman, while Coldspring is above that, and Splendora, Shepherd, and Tarkington are below that, with the exception of maybe Splendora if they could get some skill kids they have a descent amount of players around that but as of now they can't compete. Most Huffman posters will tell you that Huffman is better than everyone in the district and no one can compete with them other than Coldsprings, but we will see next season how easily they roll through district, IMO 40-20 over Liberty without Liberty's starting free safety who had to be replaced by a freshmen against a passing offense, isn't near the 63-18 win Coldspring produced over Liberty, you aren't on their level, you are beatable and I hope the Panthers can gain some stability and continue the good things Coach Deel has started. [/quote] Don't take the comments of one poster to represent the entire community. Everyone in Huffman knows that Coldspring is top dog. Coldspring is making trips to state and we cant get out of the 2nd round. However many in Huffman do feel that we have a better shot this year to beat coldspring than in years past, but they are still the undisputed favorite. As for the rest of the schools no you are not on Huffman's level. Every team in this district except shepherd has been blowout two years in a row by Huffman and this years Huffman team will be better than last years. Realistically the only team in this district that will even compete with coldspring is Huffman. Oh IDK answer this if Huffman blowsout every team in this district and has competitive games with Coldspring how are the other schools closer to Huffman than Huffman is to Coldspring?

[quote name="Rake1" post="1222674" timestamp="1337163382"] [quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=99992.msg1222640#msg1222640 date=1337139740] [quote author=jenks link=topic=99992.msg1222637#msg1222637 date=1337139163] [quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=99992.msg1222634#msg1222634 date=1337138080] [quote author=allsportsguy link=topic=99992.msg1222614#msg1222614 date=1337133550] Yeah but those two games are a day apart you better have at least two good pitchers. I really do not think a one game series lets you know who the better team is imo. It seems as though a coach that chooses one game is relying more on the other team to do bad rather than his team to be better than their opponent. Even with that said I still think BC takes this game I think they continue error free ball. GO CARDS!!! [/quote] I disagree. Everyone knows BC is the deeper team, but in 1 game Huffman has the talent to play with and beat BC. In a series the odds are pretty much all in BC's favor. Coach DeBerry isn't counting on BC to do bad, he just knows BC has more depth and his best chance to advance is in a 1 gamer. [/quote] Which goes back to my earlier point.  They are letting a coin flip decide who a better team is instead of a 3 game series. The underdog coach, if he wins the toss, will always pick the one game option. So is that really fair if BC does loose the one game, but probably will win a 3 game series? So, we are sending the less skilled team to the next level to represent our area? The 3 game series should be mandatory to get to state so there is no question the best talent is there. [/quote] So what is BC scared to play Huffman in 1 game series? Yeah it's fair BC gets a chance to play the game don't they? The best team on thursday night will advance. The system is fine the way it is. If BC is really the 2nd best team in the state then they should win easily. [/quote] I guess you can look at both sides of this situation and see positives and negatives for sure. I don't think anyone will dispute that the majority of the time "the best team" wins in a series style format. Yes the deeper teams that are considered to be better overall will always want a series and the ones that aren't as deep but could line up and play competitive for 1 game obviously want just want a 1 game winner take all scenario. The funny thing is how when the shoe is on the other foot.  ::) The majority of those teams that ride 1 guy to the state tourney have a problem winning it all because they have to play those 2 games so close to one another and the pitching just isn't there. On the other hand they are in the state tournament and who knows what happens, maybe they play another team in the same boat and win a 10-9 game instead of a 2-1. If I'm not mistaken, Louisiana is a straight up 1 game playoff system all the way to state, not even an option for a 3 game series so you can build your team a little differently. That's a tough way to win it all right there IMHO. Rake1 [/quote] It's not just Louisiana alot of other states have a straight 1 game playoff system.

[quote name="jenks" post="1222637" timestamp="1337139163"] [quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=99992.msg1222634#msg1222634 date=1337138080] [quote author=allsportsguy link=topic=99992.msg1222614#msg1222614 date=1337133550] Yeah but those two games are a day apart you better have at least two good pitchers. I really do not think a one game series lets you know who the better team is imo. It seems as though a coach that chooses one game is relying more on the other team to do bad rather than his team to be better than their opponent. Even with that said I still think BC takes this game I think they continue error free ball. GO CARDS!!! [/quote] I disagree. Everyone knows BC is the deeper team, but in 1 game Huffman has the talent to play with and beat BC. In a series the odds are pretty much all in BC's favor. Coach DeBerry isn't counting on BC to do bad, he just knows BC has more depth and his best chance to advance is in a 1 gamer. [/quote] Which goes back to my earlier point.  They are letting a coin flip decide who a better team is instead of a 3 game series. The underdog coach, if he wins the toss, will always pick the one game option. So is that really fair if BC does loose the one game, but probably will win a 3 game series? So, we are sending the less skilled team to the next level to represent our area? The 3 game series should be mandatory to get to state so there is no question the best talent is there. [/quote] So what is BC scared to play Huffman in 1 game series? Yeah it's fair BC gets a chance to play the game don't they? The best team on thursday night will advance. The system is fine the way it is. If BC is really the 2nd best team in the state then they should win easily.

[quote name="allsportsguy" post="1222614" timestamp="1337133550"] Yeah but those two games are a day apart you better have at least two good pitchers. I really do not think a one game series lets you know who the better team is imo. It seems as though a coach that chooses one game is relying more on the other team to do bad rather than his team to be better than their opponent. Even with that said I still think BC takes this game I think they continue error free ball. GO CARDS!!! [/quote] I disagree. Everyone knows BC is the deeper team, but in 1 game Huffman has the talent to play with and beat BC. In a series the odds are pretty much all in BC's favor. Coach DeBerry isn't counting on BC to do bad, he just knows BC has more depth and his best chance to advance is in a 1 gamer.

[quote name="DTH" post="1222434" timestamp="1337104674"] Blow up Liberty county and start over [/quote][quote author=I_Can_Do_It_ALL! link=topic=97792.msg1222449#msg1222449 date=1337106186] Come on DTH!!  ;D [/quote] Yeah! We like Dayton. You can blow up the rest tho 8) ;D

[quote name="allsportsguy" post="1222339" timestamp="1337087764"] I can see why Huffmans coach was skeered!!! :D [/quote] ::) Not scared, he was just smart enough to know his best chance to beat the number 2 team in the state is in a 1 gamer.

I gotta say I'm kinda surprised by the site of the game. GCM isn't very neutral it's like 30 min from huffman and 2 hrs from BC. Its basically a home game for Huffman. Then the game is on a Thursday meaning alot of BC  fans may not make it to the game from work.

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1221802" timestamp="1336870844"] [quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=98748.msg1221791#msg1221791 date=1336869549] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=98748.msg1221784#msg1221784 date=1336868919] [quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=98748.msg1221783#msg1221783 date=1336868722] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=98748.msg1221776#msg1221776 date=1336867531] [quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=98748.msg1221743#msg1221743 date=1336862667] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=98748.msg1221691#msg1221691 date=1336858510] [quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=98748.msg1221243#msg1221243 date=1336789598] [quote author=O-lineGuru link=topic=98748.msg1220958#msg1220958 date=1336770051] falcon....I too got an A in logic...my argument goes like this, teens today feel that they are a world all to themselves and are not required to answer to anyone for their actions.  Perhaps you..at the ripe old age of 22...are too close to the fire I speak of to see the flame. Your continual reference to "hippies" and "segregation" makes me think you are either stuck in a time warp or are channeling Cotton from King of the Hill.  I realize that every generation has its shortcomings...but since you weren't yet conceived when I graduated high school you simply have NO perspective on this.  Since you are a man of logic (at least one class worth anyway, huh?!) you should know that your argument does not fit, a non-sequitur if you will.  Your contention is that kids today are no worse than they were in any other generation.  WRONG....look at teen incarceration figures (both those held as adults and as juveniles)...look at numbers in alternative programs.  I have taught and coached at every level....and junior high is the worst.  Kids now do not care...period.  You have no experience and no evidence to back your claims.  Come back when you have experienced a bit more of what the youth of today are really like. Oh yeah.....one of my degrees is in Philosophy....lots of logic and ethics classes in my background.  :) [/quote] First off the logic class comment was in response to you criticizing my logic, I wasn't trying to compare myself to you. It was more of a joke than a serious comment. [Hidden Content] This chart shows the decrease in violent juvenile crime from 95 to 08 [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] These two charts show the decrease in juvenile arrest rates. In fact 2009 had the lowest juvenile arrest rate since the early 70s. So we know juvenile crime is down, but lets look at teen pregnancy rates. [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] This chart shows teen pregnancy rates from 1960 to 2010, as you can see teen pregnancy is much lower today than it was in the 60s. So now we know that juvenile crime rates and teen pregnancy rates are lower, now lets look at teen drug useage rates. [Hidden Content] This chart shows teen drug useage from 75 to 06, as you can see teen drug useage also peaked in the mid 70s.. [Hidden Content] This chart shows the decrease in teen smoking from 75 to 08.  [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] These two charts shows the decrease in teen alcohol consumption. [Hidden Content] This chart shows the decrease in dropout rates from 60 to 09 So now we know that juvenile crime is down, teen pregnancy is down, teen drug use is down, teen smoking is down, dropout rates are down, and teen alcohol consumption is down(the legal age for alcohol used to be 18 so that probably has something to do with thay decrease), but that's not all recently some prominent US citizens have shed some light on thier past. The president is his book admitted to "attending class sparingly  drinking heavily, and using drugs enthusiastically" A story came out that Mitt Romney held a "presumed gay kid down and cut his hair off( I am skeptical of this story). Shawn Hannity said that there was a fight every day at his high school. I don't know about your high school, but at mine we didn't have a fight every day(try once a month maybe) we didn't have kids that never went to class, we didn have kids drastically bully other kids, and we had very few kids that drank heavily and used drugs enthusiastically. So I guess you were right about one thing I don't have the experience, but I dang sure got the evidence. Looking at the facts I would say it is pretty clear that kid todays are not worse than they were in the past  actually according to the stats they are better. Today's kids are committing less crimes, having less babies, smoking less, drinking less using drugs less, and staying in school more than kids in the past. [/quote] [quote]but at mine we didn't have a fight every day(try once a month maybe)[/quote] Idk what school you went to but both high schools i went to ( and i'm only 2 years older than you) there were fights every day and sometimes two or three fights in a day [quote]we didn't have kids that never went to class[/quote] seriously? did you go to a catholic school or something? my class started out at 394 our freshman year and by the time i left (middle of junior year) we had less than 300 left in school and my school i graduated from lost almost 50 kids in less than 2 years. [quote]we didn have kids drastically bully other kids[/quote] Vidor hit list about 7 years ago. Nuff said. (if you don't know the story look it up) [quote]we had very few kids that drank heavily and used drugs enthusiastically[/quote] i'm seriously beginning to think you went to a catholic school or something man. Now a days its rare if you actually made it through high school without drinking or experimenting with drugs. Now idk where you went to school at falcon but this is how it is in the two high schools i went to. [/quote] Went to Huffman high school and yes we had very few fights, and the  fights we did have usually didn't happen on school grounds. If you missed more than 9 classes a semester you failed end of story.We did not have major bulling issues, of course some kids were picked on, but it was nothing drastic. We had very few kids that drank HEAVILY, and used drugs ENTHUSIASTICALLY. Yes kids experimented, but that is different than doing it every day. [/quote] Well no offense to you falcon but just because it has been your experience doesn't make it the only way it is. Maybe in small towns like huffman it is still like that but go to a big city school like beaumont or houston or dallas and you will see the difference. 30 years ago we didn't have cops giving out tickets to kids every day. [/quote] I never said it was the only way it is. [b]I know the problems of inner city schools very well.[/b] Btw maybe they should've had cops giving out tickets 30 years, because juvenile crime today is way down and whatever they're doing seems to be working. [/quote] Obviously you don't.  ::) Or do you simply choose to ignore them. [/quote] How so ??? Where did I say there weren't problems in schools? Maybe you need to reread my post. The only thing I have ever said is the kids today are no worse than kids in the past, and the facts support that. [/quote] And if you truly believe that then you are beyond help and this conversation is over. [/quote] Look juvenile crime is down, teen pregnancies are down, dropout rates are down, teen drug use is down, teen smoking is down, and teen alcohol consumption is down, so how exactly are kids today worse?