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[quote name="Stevenash" post="1425815" timestamp="1376951238"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=112733.msg1425801#msg1425801 date=1376948648] [quote author=BucNasty link=topic=112733.msg1425744#msg1425744 date=1376941139] When is the last time HJ missed the basketball playoffs? 1998 maybe? 15 years ago? [/quote]weak schedule!!!!!!!!! ;D [/quote] That produced a state title and another final four appearance. ( DaDove hates those words  almost as much as he hates these:  Larry Bird, John Havlicek, Kevin McHale, Danny Ainge) [/quote]You left out Gail "BALLHOG" Goodrich. ;)

[quote name="BucNasty" post="1425744" timestamp="1376941139"] When is the last time HJ missed the basketball playoffs? 1998 maybe? 15 years ago? [/quote]weak schedule!!!!!!!!! ;D

[quote name="bmrm" post="1425026" timestamp="1376711143"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=112733.msg1425007#msg1425007 date=1376709847] [quote author=bmrm link=topic=112733.msg1425000#msg1425000 date=1376709045] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=112733.msg1421314#msg1421314 date=1375671910] [quote author=bmrm link=topic=112733.msg1421307#msg1421307 date=1375669307] [quote author=undiscovered link=topic=112733.msg1416482#msg1416482 date=1372282705] Will HJ even be in the hunt for district next year? [/quote] Shouldn't be but should make the playoffs.  Cross country and weak schedule will be their downfall. [/quote] HJ fan base still cocky [/quote] Now Dove you know I wasn't being cocky but based on their recent history I certainly have the right to - ha! [/quote]  ;D And thats what make you guys so special [/quote] You said it.....I didn't!  We all know how you like to take jabs at HJ and their faithful, but admit it, you're a hawk at heart! [/quote]  :-X ;D

[quote name="bmrm" post="1425000" timestamp="1376709045"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=112733.msg1421314#msg1421314 date=1375671910] [quote author=bmrm link=topic=112733.msg1421307#msg1421307 date=1375669307] [quote author=undiscovered link=topic=112733.msg1416482#msg1416482 date=1372282705] Will HJ even be in the hunt for district next year? [/quote] Shouldn't be but should make the playoffs.  Cross country and weak schedule will be their downfall. [/quote] HJ fan base still cocky [/quote] Now Dove you know I wasn't being cocky but based on their recent history I certainly have the right to - ha! [/quote]  ;D And thats what make you guys so special

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1424609" timestamp="1376607725"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1424554#msg1424554 date=1376594080] [quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=113177.msg1424549#msg1424549 date=1376593514] Abe, I'm just a basketball junky living in a football world trash talking to help with my habit. Boards have been a little like touch football; I needed to hit somebody Lol. You did a little hitting of your own. I like your approach, don't back down & get your point across. If Nederland weren't any good, we wouldn't be having this discussion. So please don't take it the wrong way, just running my mouth as many of us do from time to time. Good luck on the Season & I hope y'all lose every game ::) Mighty Bumblebees [/quote]Abe is 4'5" [color=red]Big[/color] Cam. No need to backdown. Keep the pressure on.... [/quote]I'm AT LEAST 4'6" and you know it!! [/quote]Sorry! :D

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1424608" timestamp="1376607648"] DO you mean the one where a 4-a school beat a 3-a school in a scrimmage for 30 minutes? [/quote]Yep!!

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1424586" timestamp="1376601592"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1424579#msg1424579 date=1376599998] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1424578#msg1424578 date=1376599930] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=113177.msg1424566#msg1424566 date=1376597755] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1424558#msg1424558 date=1376594219] Will be a fading memory [/quote] Just as the projection for a state title in 2012-13 for the HF Longhorns [/quote]OMG!! Its him again!!!!! [/quote] And who knew Jack Yates would spoil all of that :-[ [/quote] It would have been spoiled quite a bit before Jack Yates could have come into the picture [/quote]Yeah , kinda like that beating last season at the HJ scrimmage  ;)

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1424578" timestamp="1376599930"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=113177.msg1424566#msg1424566 date=1376597755] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1424558#msg1424558 date=1376594219] Will be a fading memory [/quote] Just as the projection for a state title in 2012-13 for the HF Longhorns [/quote]OMG!! Its him again!!!!! [/quote] And who knew Jack Yates would spoil all of that :-[

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1424566" timestamp="1376597755"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1424558#msg1424558 date=1376594219] Will be a fading memory [/quote] Just as the projection for a state title in 2012-13 for the HF Longhorns [/quote]OMG!! Its him again!!!!!

Will be a fading memory

2013-2014  8) [color=pink][size=8pt]20-4A District Champs 2010-2012 Bi-District Champs 2010-2013 Area Champs 2010-2013 Regional Semi-Finalist 2011 [/size][/color]

[quote name="Bigcam2903" post="1424549" timestamp="1376593514"] Abe, I'm just a basketball junky living in a football world trash talking to help with my habit. Boards have been a little like touch football; I needed to hit somebody Lol. You did a little hitting of your own. I like your approach, don't back down & get your point across. If Nederland weren't any good, we wouldn't be having this discussion. So please don't take it the wrong way, just running my mouth as many of us do from time to time. Good luck on the Season & I hope y'all lose every game ::) Mighty Bumblebees [/quote]Abe is 4'5" [color=red]Big[/color] Cam. No need to backdown. Keep the pressure on....

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1424472" timestamp="1376578483"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1424412#msg1424412 date=1376572116] Somebody brought up the Ozen/Nederland game to me just this week. I remembered the lost but had forgotten Ozen was killing Nederland in their man to man. [/quote]You referring to the game in Nederland, right? If I remember correctly, Nederland started that game playing a 1-2-2 Zone. Ozen shot them out of it, so Nederland went man. Ned kids did what they were suppose to do in a man D, but Jordan hit a deep three in that 2nd Q and I believe it was Sams who banked a 3 off the glass at the 1/2 time buzzer. Ned played man during the 2nd half, and the game was even. During the next meeting at Ozen, Ned played man D, and Nederland won that game. So I am still struggling to understand why BigCam states that Ned kids should not be able to play Bmt schools man man? It has nothing to do with coaching abilities, I believe it proves that the kids have the ability to play that style of D. In previous years, MAYBE they weren't taught properly how to play man, but again I think the kid have always had the ability, but didn't put in the work to maximize their potentials. (Sorry for the run on sentence). [/quote] I watch too many games and get them all confused. Yall did beat Ozen @ Ozen. I was thinking we won that one. But you're correct. Ozen beat yall @ Nederland. Interesting but yall did beat Ozen in man to man

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1424455" timestamp="1376577268"] [quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=113177.msg1424361#msg1424361 date=1376535189] Abe if you would have throughly read the post, that wasn't a JAB a Nederland by no means, but since you want to stick your Chest out.... I said there is no way they should be within 15pts with the caliber of players @ Central & Ozen. Again, not a knock on Coach English at all. He truly is Amazing, but let's not kid ourselves Abe. Trying to keep the gloves on Buddy. Mighty Bumblebees!!!! [/quote]Haha. If you knew me, you would know that I AM a fighter! I didn't see your post as knocking Coach E. I saw it as you don't think that kids in Nederland should be within 15 points of Bmt schools bc they are less talented or gifted. I did not see any supporting evidence in your post (or any from previous posts) which allude to your assessment. You have made many posts stating that the district crown is back in Bmt where it should be, etc. Nobody acknowledged Dogs1218 question the other day with any substance. The basketball talent in Nederland is no better than it was 10, 15, 20 years ago. The reason Bmt schools use to beat Nederland by 20, 30, 40 points easily is bc the kids didn't care enough to reach their potential. Kids in Bmt played bball year round while kids in Nederland only played for 4 months of the year. During the offseason, MANY kids never picked up a basketball more than once a month. That has now changed bc the bball kids in Nederland now play year round. JMHO [/quote] Well, I think your guys should play some baseball in the summer

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1424424" timestamp="1376574281"] On THAT note, the truth is that high school kids CANNOT GUARD man to man for the most part.  Smart high school coaches KNOW this and will often change up defenses in order to keep opponents guessing...I do not REALLY like zone defenses, but I TEACH them because I would never want my guys to see zones and become like "deer in headlights"...The key is to play a variety of zones, and emphasize the importance of staying aggressive while playing them and not get relaxed. If Nederland played man for 32 minutes they would not win a game...But at the same time with all of Central and Ozen's athleticism, if they played man for the entire game, they would struggle greatly as well...Pressing by some schools (i.e. Silsbee and Yates) can disguise the fact  that kids don't really guard, but if teams stay in presses too long, most of the time they will eventually get adjusted to them and they will no longer be effective or AS effective...Just my two cents.. 8) [/quote]Hmmm? I'm having flashbacks... You remind me of some coaches back in 5th Ward Houston. Taught you every darn zone in the book. How to play and defend it.....

Somebody brought up the Ozen/Nederland game to me just this week. I remembered the lost but had forgotten Ozen was killing Nederland in their man to man.

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1424295" timestamp="1376520799"] [quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=113177.msg1424217#msg1424217 date=1376502747] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=113177.msg1424196#msg1424196 date=1376500749] [quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=113177.msg1424188#msg1424188 date=1376499941] I don't remember Central shooting well against Ned, they just got rebound after rebound after rebound. Central killed Ned on the boards. Their inability to shoot well probably led to their early departure in the playoffs. [/quote]The information that I was given from a very reliable contact is that Central was severely outcoached in that game...  Also, if I'm not mistaken, the team, Georgetown, made it pretty far in last years playoffs.  Didn't they make it to the regional simi's? [/quote] I think they did make it that far. Georgetown beat Central leaving them wondering how that happened. Then the next wk they beat Ned leaving us wondering how that happened. They were well coached and very disciplined. Played good defense. Georgetown proved you don't have to be the tallest or most athletic to win big games. They were VERY similar I thought to Ned with their players and coach. [/quote]They were well coached bc they had 4 assistant coaches! I think that's what made them so good. [/quote] ;D  :-X

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1424294" timestamp="1376520509"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1424184#msg1424184 date=1376499708] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1424167#msg1424167 date=1376497141] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1424165#msg1424165 date=1376496668] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=113177.msg1424116#msg1424116 date=1376486644] [quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=113177.msg1423980#msg1423980 date=1376433002] I really think who protects the basket & rebounds best wins both games. Toe will be a man amongst boys, Ozen's guards can score and penetrate with the best. It wlll be a great Chess match.  Go Panthers!!! [/quote]Good analysis! [/quote] 1. Central used their AGGRESSIVE offensive board play to get second and third shots to score. [/quote]Plus, Central does not take many low percentage shots (referring to 3-pointers). I would guess they attempted less than 5 (combined) in the two district games we played them. [/quote]So Honest Abe,[color=red] knowing[/color] that you are such an honest person  ::) , what game plan would you use if you were the coach? And if your plan don't work, I'll see in December to further our conversation.  ;) [/quote]How dare you question my character! ;D I would play a soft zone to force the Jags to shoot from outside, then use fundamentals and BLOCK OUT!! [/quote]2-3 zone?

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1424252" timestamp="1376509745"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1424250#msg1424250 date=1376509361] [quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=113177.msg1424243#msg1424243 date=1376508429] Whats wrong with an " undertalented" team beating teams they shouldn't because they are more disciplined and better coached? That's how Ned survives. [/quote] Nothing wrong! It was fine until you attempted to put Nederland in the same sphere with Georgetown. ;D [/quote] Oh ok, we'll I guess Central is not in the same sphere as Georgetown either? [/quote]This year Central  will take it all

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1424243" timestamp="1376508429"] Whats wrong with an " undertalented" team beating teams they shouldn't because they are more disciplined and better coached? That's how Ned survives. [/quote] Nothing wrong! It was fine until you attempted to put Nederland in the same sphere with Georgetown. ;D

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1424217" timestamp="1376502747"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=113177.msg1424196#msg1424196 date=1376500749] [quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=113177.msg1424188#msg1424188 date=1376499941] I don't remember Central shooting well against Ned, they just got rebound after rebound after rebound. Central killed Ned on the boards. Their inability to shoot well probably led to their early departure in the playoffs. [/quote]The information that I was given from a very reliable contact is that Central was severely outcoached in that game...  Also, if I'm not mistaken, the team, Georgetown, made it pretty far in last years playoffs.  Didn't they make it to the regional simi's? [/quote] I think they did make it that far. Georgetown beat Central leaving them wondering how that happened. Then the next wk they beat Ned leaving us wondering how that happened. They were well coached and very disciplined. Played good defense. Georgetown proved you don't have to be the tallest or most athletic to win big games. They were VERY similar I thought to Ned with their players and coach. [/quote] "They were VERY similar I thought to Ned with their players and coach." God, you people getting bad as HJ..SHEEZ!!! :-\

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1424188" timestamp="1376499941"] I don't remember Central shooting well against Ned, they just got rebound after rebound after rebound. Central killed Ned on the boards. Their inability to shoot well probably led to their early departure in the playoffs. [/quote]Hmmm, I think we might have something here...hmmmmm?

[quote name="bradyb" post="1424097" timestamp="1376483567"] [quote author=Stephen A Smith link=topic=113199.msg1424067#msg1424067 date=1376461421] [quote author=bradyb link=topic=113199.msg1423318#msg1423318 date=1376224699] [quote author=Stephen A Smith link=topic=113199.msg1423156#msg1423156 date=1376091965] [quote author=bradyb link=topic=113199.msg1422810#msg1422810 date=1376013023] The speed of the game will not be a factor for McCain. He didn't just play middle school ball. He played in 74 games with me this year since Feb. against some of the best teams. He will be ready for the speed of the game. [/quote] But you can't compare playing against 14 yr old on the AAU circuit to play against 17 an 18 yr old that always a big Difference especially the style Silsbee play of a non stop running  :o got dizzy thinking bout them running [/quote] Yes you can... The teams in this district this year, absolutely. I'm not sure if you understand AAU basketball or not, but we played against teams that would finish top three in this district as a 14U team. What do you think AAU basketball consist of? Running running running... Plus most 14U teams are actually 15 because they were held back or failed. If your telling me that the top 14 and 15 year old teams can not be compared to HJ, WOS, HF, Silsbee, Buna, OF, BC... Your out your mind. [/quote] I know the AAU circuit VERY VERY well and I can assure that the best player at that age for 1 play with a higher age group and 2 where in Orlando an Vegas at the end of July and you can't Tell me a Group of 14U can play with HJ,WOS,or Silsbee most of the kids at that age body isn't mature enough to bang with Kids at that age it just won't happen Page,Elam,Bosha are Top Notch and kids there age have trouble with them on a regular so against 14 yrs old an younger would be a Field day [/quote] Lol do you know Jarred Vanderbuilt? I'm Not gonna argue with you either man! But can I just ask you this? Are you telling me that those 3 that you named are better Jarred Vanderbuilt? 14 year old 6'7 shooting guard [/quote] I think they've already prepped Jared to prep school. I saw that kid play against other college kids. Unless you knew him, you would have never thought he was going into the 9th grade.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1424193" timestamp="1376500362"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1424167#msg1424167 date=1376497141] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1424165#msg1424165 date=1376496668] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=113177.msg1424116#msg1424116 date=1376486644] [quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=113177.msg1423980#msg1423980 date=1376433002] I really think who protects the basket & rebounds best wins both games. Toe will be a man amongst boys, Ozen's guards can score and penetrate with the best. It wlll be a great Chess match.  Go Panthers!!! [/quote]Good analysis! [/quote] 1. Central used their AGGRESSIVE offensive board play to get second and third shots to score. [/quote]Plus, Central does not take many low percentage shots (referring to 3-pointers). I would guess they attempted less than 5 (combined) in the two district games we played them. [/quote]Very true.  That's one of the things that I agree on.  Take the high percentage shot when you have length and size as your advantage... [/quote] Yall will go to Austin based on several missed shots and having the hustle to finally put it in under the basket  ;D

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1424167" timestamp="1376497141"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1424165#msg1424165 date=1376496668] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=113177.msg1424116#msg1424116 date=1376486644] [quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=113177.msg1423980#msg1423980 date=1376433002] I really think who protects the basket & rebounds best wins both games. Toe will be a man amongst boys, Ozen's guards can score and penetrate with the best. It wlll be a great Chess match.  Go Panthers!!! [/quote]Good analysis! [/quote] 1. Central used their AGGRESSIVE offensive board play to get second and third shots to score. [/quote]Plus, Central does not take many low percentage shots (referring to 3-pointers). I would guess they attempted less than 5 (combined) in the two district games we played them. [/quote]So Honest Abe,[color=red] knowing[/color] that you are such an honest person  ::) , what game plan would you use if you were the coach? And if your plan don't work, I'll see in December to further our conversation.  ;)