BLUEDOVE3

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1421471" timestamp="1375724109"] I have close personal knowledge of parents holding their kids back in kindergarten to allow them have another year of maturity. (My oldest son is one of those kids but wasn't held back for athletic purposes) I almost was one of those kids but my mom would not let my dad have his way.  ;D [/quote]Your mom should have listened  ;D

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1421515" timestamp="1375730121"] I look for HJ to have a pretty good year this year and they should beat Bridge City with ease.  Much of this will be attributable to strength of schedule and superior off season training.  Dove, does this sound better to you? [/quote] "I look for HJ to have a pretty good year this year and they should beat Bridge City with ease.  Much of this will be attributable to strength of schedule and superior off season training."  [s]Dove, does this sound better to you? [/s] Now it does!!!!!

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1421487" timestamp="1375726644"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=112733.msg1421454#msg1421454 date=1375721401] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=112733.msg1421404#msg1421404 date=1375715129] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=112733.msg1421402#msg1421402 date=1375714960] Sure, every pre-season we hear the same ol' song/dance routine about how yall don't expect the team to be good this year. 'We'll be lucky if we can beat Bridge City this year!"  ;D [/quote] And that is what you consider "cocky"? [/quote]For you people? Yes!!!  ;) [/quote] Please be mindful of the fact that most of that "we'll be lucky to beat Bridge City" talk is a parody on your incessant comments on weak schedules and improper off season training regimens. [/quote]Yeah I realize that. But still, your  :-X

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1421439" timestamp="1375719576"] Many years ago, Orangefield was doing this in football. [/quote] Hmmm, the very first time I heard of this was when I moved to Beaumont. Never knew people kept their kids back on purpose. In my neighborhood, you were retained for bad grades. Times have changed!!

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1421436" timestamp="1375719360"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113147.msg1421432#msg1421432 date=1375718706] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=113147.msg1421425#msg1421425 date=1375718333] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113147.msg1421403#msg1421403 date=1375715115] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=113147.msg1421374#msg1421374 date=1375711823] Nice video of Jordan. Thanks for posting. Nice to see a "high school" high light reel instead of an aau video. ;) [/quote] yeah, I see trying to get back in good grace with Jordan's mom. LOL!! [/quote] Didn't know I was out of good grace with Jordan's mom. [/quote] Goes back to the HF days. LOL!! [/quote] Oh well. Holding grudges is not good for the health. ;) If it's preferred, we can keep it "out of good grace". ;) ;D [/quote] Me and you been cool!!  ;)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1421404" timestamp="1375715129"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=112733.msg1421402#msg1421402 date=1375714960] Sure, every pre-season we hear the same ol' song/dance routine about how yall don't expect the team to be good this year. 'We'll be lucky if we can beat Bridge City this year!"  ;D [/quote] And that is what you consider "cocky"? [/quote]For you people? Yes!!!  ;)

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1421425" timestamp="1375718333"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113147.msg1421403#msg1421403 date=1375715115] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=113147.msg1421374#msg1421374 date=1375711823] Nice video of Jordan. Thanks for posting. Nice to see a "high school" high light reel instead of an aau video. ;) [/quote] yeah, I see trying to get back in good grace with Jordan's mom. LOL!! [/quote] Didn't know I was out of good grace with Jordan's mom. [/quote] Goes back to the HF days. LOL!!

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1421413" timestamp="1375716515"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113147.msg1421408#msg1421408 date=1375715613] [quote author=no-look link=topic=113147.msg1421397#msg1421397 date=1375714620] Did I see a sweet mid range jumper? Give me a call dove. I have a new business in H-town. Pays good but you may have to relocate here.  ;D [/quote] No Look, I'm working on a new [s]hype[/s]....errrr theory! Teach the kids to dunk and we'll have everybody raining  glory down on them and offering them a transfer & college scholarship. [/quote] Has Yates ever offered either of your sons a contract? [/quote] Nope!!

Ran across this article. This has been going on awhile now but its always a refreshing spin to this trend. This particular article is on basketball, but it is occurring in other youth sports. Reclassify your kid, give him or her the time to grow physically and mentally. In other words, you should be able to beat up on the younger kids and become a superstar in your new found graduating class. [Hidden Content]

[quote name="no-look" post="1421397" timestamp="1375714620"] Did I see a sweet mid range jumper? Give me a call dove. I have a new business in H-town. Pays good but you may have to relocate here.  ;D [/quote] No Look, I'm working on a new [s]hype[/s]....errrr theory! Teach the kids to dunk and we'll have everybody raining  glory down on them and offering them a transfer & college scholarship.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1421376" timestamp="1375712493"] Jordan got his talent from his mother [/quote]  >:(  :-X

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1421374" timestamp="1375711823"] Nice video of Jordan. Thanks for posting. Nice to see a "high school" high light reel instead of an aau video. ;) [/quote] yeah, I see trying to get back in good grace with Jordan's mom. LOL!!

Sure, every pre-season we hear the same ol' song/dance routine about how yall don't expect the team to be good this year. 'We'll be lucky if we can beat Bridge City this year!"  ;D

[quote name="bmrm" post="1421307" timestamp="1375669307"] [quote author=undiscovered link=topic=112733.msg1416482#msg1416482 date=1372282705] Will HJ even be in the hunt for district next year? [/quote] Shouldn't be but should make the playoffs.  Cross country and weak schedule will be their downfall. [/quote] HJ fan base still cocky

[quote name="Now What?" post="1421060" timestamp="1375559195"] Exactly, you learn to dribble through and around it 😁 i will refrain from saying anything about some opponents HJ plays but nevertheless it prepares them. [/quote] ;D

[quote name="Now What?" post="1421057" timestamp="1375558093"] I ran cross country at HJ (didnt play basketball; just liked running) You people have no idea how hard it is to run three miles dribbling two basketballs at once.  ;D [/quote]Impossible, the cow manure would not allow this  :P

Weak schedule I would suggest. Cross country just to give you guys a sense of working hard  :D

Interesting article about transfers [Hidden Content]

[quote name="AthleticSupporter - Jock" post="1420793" timestamp="1375459220"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=112884.msg1420668#msg1420668 date=1375398105] [quote author=AthleticSupporter - Jock link=topic=112884.msg1420168#msg1420168 date=1374255315] There's a big difference right there.  Many kids are now taught that they only have to respect the adult/coach if the child is also respected.  If I would have told my dad that I quit, talked back or acted out because the coach disrespected me, I would have been getting a real beating at home.  I admit I'm out of touch with the younger parents today.  For some, it seems perfectly logical that Aaron Hernandez would throw away tens of millions cuz his buddy disrespected him.  Hernandez represents the mindset of many parents of school age children today. [/quote] Oh well, I guess I'll go back to these previous msgs. Supporter, as usual you are a little extreme with your analysis. [/quote] I agree that some people will consider my views and opinions extreme, but that doesn't mean they are not accurate.  Do you agree? [/quote] Your comment, " For some, it seems perfectly logical that Aaron Hernandez would throw away tens of millions cuz his buddy disrespected him.  Hernandez represents the mindset of many parents of school age children today," maybe your comments had me thinking too extreme that you were thinking too extreme.  ;D

[quote name="AthleticSupporter - Jock" post="1420168" timestamp="1374255315"] There's a big difference right there.  Many kids are now taught that they only have to respect the adult/coach if the child is also respected.  If I would have told my dad that I quit, talked back or acted out because the coach disrespected me, I would have been getting a real beating at home.  I admit I'm out of touch with the younger parents today.  For some, it seems perfectly logical that Aaron Hernandez would throw away tens of millions cuz his buddy disrespected him.  Hernandez represents the mindset of many parents of school age children today. [/quote] Oh well, I guess I'll go back to these previous msgs. Supporter, as usual you are a little extreme with your analysis.

Watched a game yesterday and one team decides to stall the ball with about 2 minutes ago. Fans in the stands started to boo the team and you could hear, 'thats why we need a shot clock."  I smiled. Maybe there is some hope  ;D

Yeah, I mentioned this last summer that many of your serious players will begin to miss the local school tourneys. Kids want to play against the best and try and get better.

[quote name="JRidge" post="1419998" timestamp="1374178854"] Bluedove3 are you saying that kids should not be taught to respect adults like we were taught! My kids are taught this way still and told if an adult get's out of line with you, stay in a childs place and let theparents who are adults deal with the adults! Kids don't have to agree with the teacher or coaches way of coaching, to me they are there to learn what they have to teach them! Of course I do believe we had better teachers in the past then now but our responsibility is to teach our kids how to be respectful and learn to follow instructions before they can lead and give them! The question is; can a talented team win state without players/parents believing in and supporting there coach! A house divided can not stand, but who's system or phylosophy should players follow, their's or their coaches? Should the coach follow his own phylosophy and system or should he follow the players? [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=112884.msg1419841#msg1419841 date=1374139547] [/quote]Nope! Kids should respect their elders. But thats also a two-way street. Some coaches earn their players respect and follow their system. Some teams have bad apples and rotten the rest.

[quote name="AthleticSupporter - Jock" post="1420091" timestamp="1374204213"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=112884.msg1419841#msg1419841 date=1374139547] [quote author=JRidge link=topic=112884.msg1419829#msg1419829 date=1374121319] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=112884.msg1419550#msg1419550 date=1374035126] [quote author=shooter link=topic=112884.msg1419353#msg1419353 date=1374004435] Yes, you can win if the talent is there, but you can achieve unbelievable things when everyone is on the same page. If the talent is average or nearly equal to the opponent, coaching can be the difference. A players belief in his coach(es) derives from his communication skills, practice and game organization, evaluation and adaption to player skill sets, his self-discipline and his abillity to hold everyone associated with the program equally accountable for TEAM success. A coach who operates with his ego will abandon the one thing he needs most, his players. [/quote] let me interject same thought but written differently: Coaches[color=red] must[/color] 'connect' with their players before they can lead them. You gotta have the respect from your players.  You can have all the talent in the world................................... Even though this is probably an effective way, I believe in the old skool way of coaching! (Do as you are told) because you may not be able to connect with every player but every player should know what is expected of them from their coach! We were taught to respect all adults so this was automatically given to our coaches! Coaches coach and players play and that was that, too many kids now-a-days are brought up to be able to voice their dislikes are allowed to rebel if they don't agree with something! They either transfer out or sometimes  even sabatoge a season based on how they feel about a coach! This even sometimes hurts them in the future dealing with bosses or spouses, they often leave their job or marriage because they haven't learned to support somethig or someone they don't fully agree with! Looking at the way these professional athletes get in trouble now-a-days, I prefer that kids are prepared to become good, successful citizens  [/quote] [/quote] Those times are somewhat gone. There was a time when teachers were looked upon almost like Gods. Not anymore. You have to double-check them now to make sure they are following the rules, not showing favoritism , etc. Same rule seems to apply in the coaching profession now. ;) [/quote] Is that true for every school though?  I don't hear of anyone at HJ having to double-check the coaches for following rules and favoritism??? [/quote] I have, but it was a few years ago  ;D

[quote name="JRidge" post="1419829" timestamp="1374121319"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=112884.msg1419550#msg1419550 date=1374035126] [quote author=shooter link=topic=112884.msg1419353#msg1419353 date=1374004435] Yes, you can win if the talent is there, but you can achieve unbelievable things when everyone is on the same page. If the talent is average or nearly equal to the opponent, coaching can be the difference. A players belief in his coach(es) derives from his communication skills, practice and game organization, evaluation and adaption to player skill sets, his self-discipline and his abillity to hold everyone associated with the program equally accountable for TEAM success. A coach who operates with his ego will abandon the one thing he needs most, his players. [/quote] let me interject same thought but written differently: Coaches[color=red] must[/color] 'connect' with their players before they can lead them. You gotta have the respect from your players.  You can have all the talent in the world................................... Even though this is probably an effective way, I believe in the old skool way of coaching! (Do as you are told) because you may not be able to connect with every player but every player should know what is expected of them from their coach! We were taught to respect all adults so this was automatically given to our coaches! Coaches coach and players play and that was that, too many kids now-a-days are brought up to be able to voice their dislikes are allowed to rebel if they don't agree with something! They either transfer out or sometimes  even sabatoge a season based on how they feel about a coach! This even sometimes hurts them in the future dealing with bosses or spouses, they often leave their job or marriage because they haven't learned to support somethig or someone they don't fully agree with! Looking at the way these professional athletes get in trouble now-a-days, I prefer that kids are prepared to become good, successful citizens  [/quote] [/quote] Those times are somewhat gone. There was a time when teachers were looked upon almost like Gods. Not anymore. You have to double-check them now to make sure they are following the rules, not showing favoritism , etc. Same rule seems to apply in the coaching profession now. ;)