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[quote name="Big girl" post="1392557" timestamp="1365453210"] OK Blue Dove I am really going to be done with this conversation after this last comment. I played college ball and Zjori will play college ball as well so I cant answer your question, because I know it will happen for him.  FYI...Zjori is my cousin not my nephew :o [/quote] If you took a poll, you would find more than you played college ball. And your point? Sorry, I thought he was your nephew. I wish my cousins would take up for me like you do yours  :(

And having to play in PA...SAD!! tHATS IT!!

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1392535" timestamp="1365451213"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110910.msg1392528#msg1392528 date=1365450746] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=110910.msg1392489#msg1392489 date=1365447210] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110910.msg1392422#msg1392422 date=1365437620] What that article didnt state was how Waltrip was trying to get a [b]certain PA player[/b] on their team the championship year.  ;) [/quote] Certain PA player? it was THE player in PA at that time!! Elaine Jones, AAU She-Devil, made that move happen, because Boutte had accepted the Ozen job the previous summer.. IMANNUEL MCELROY was an HISD student for about 3 weeks at Waltrip!!  ;) [/quote] Okay, memory is faintly coming back. Elaine is why yall think AAU is the devil  ;D [/quote] When I was coaching at Kashmere that year, she came in the gym in mid season inquiring about kids, and my dad told me to PUT HER OUT OF THE GYM!! It was MY PLEASURE!! ;D ;D [/quote] I never met her but I know and see her nephew often. So I will  :-X

[quote name="Big girl" post="1392539" timestamp="1365451396"] This is a bunch of political BS period. By the way Zjori has a 3.2 GPA so he is definitely concentrating on school. You guys are so funny. I am done with this conservation. I guess you guys are just going to continue to attack me because you hate me. but dont take it out on Zjori. Blue Dove the 14 ppg is a bunch of crap and you know it. Have a great day everyone ;D [/quote] :(

Wait Big-O Girl, read my last post b4 you go. Sheez!

[quote name="Big girl" post="1392532" timestamp="1365450993"] OK. I thought that you were implying that your sons were. I am sorry for my mistake. :) [/quote]My sons? You honestly think I care about lists????? You really don't know me at all. My point in this whole conversation is to enjoy whatever level your kid is doing his best. Its going to be over in a blink. Your nephew made All State. How many kids made All State from 3-A? I'M HAPPY AND VERY PROUD OF HIS ACCOMPLISHMENT. But let me ask you a question Big-O Girl  ;) Would you rather have a high school ALL STATER playing[color=red] no college ball[/color] or one who didn't win "jack" and playing college ball? C'mon you Big-O Girl, should not take too long to answer this one......Big-O Girl  ;)

[quote name="Big girl" post="1392530" timestamp="1365450805"] Can someone please answer my question about Bosha? [/quote] I will! The players with 14 points played on a better team and did not have to showcase all his talent and still avg. 14 points on a multi-talented team, which is a great accomplishment.

[quote name="Big girl" post="1392529" timestamp="1365450747"] that's your opinion Blue Dove. A kid should get whatever accolades he deserves and the ones who dont deserve it should not be rewarded period. By the way who is listed as one of the top 100 players in the nation.?I looked at multiple sites and I did NOT see anyone from this area. [/quote]Big Girl,[color=red] I NEVER said anyone from this area was in Top 100[/color]...LOL!!! You People kill me

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1392489" timestamp="1365447210"] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110910.msg1392422#msg1392422 date=1365437620] What that article didnt state was how Waltrip was trying to get a [b]certain PA player[/b] on their team the championship year.  ;) [/quote] Certain PA player? it was THE player in PA at that time!! Elaine Jones, AAU She-Devil, made that move happen, because Boutte had accepted the Ozen job the previous summer.. IMANNUEL MCELROY was an HISD student for about 3 weeks at Waltrip!!  ;) [/quote] Okay, memory is faintly coming back. Elaine is why yall think AAU is the devil  ;D

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1392523" timestamp="1365450321"] [quote author=Big girl link=topic=110906.msg1392516#msg1392516 date=1365449396] I called the Beaumont Enterprise. I was told that one sportswriter made the determination. The sports writer that I talked to was just as baffled as I was.... I think Elam and Jordan both deserved to make the team. The guy who made the decision was not in so I left him a message. I want to know what his reasoning was. [/quote] Is it really THAT serious? [/quote] Obviously it is for some people to get caught up in rankings and awards. All that stuff does is put a target on a kid's back.

[quote name="PA4Life" post="1392519" timestamp="1365449873"] Better yet we have a young lady here in PA that didnt make all-district or the super gold team.  But guess what.  She has a full ride to Texas A & M Corpus Chrisiti.  So which do you think is better.  Being named to some All Area Super Gold Team or Going to College for FREE...You decide.. [/quote] And there you have it!!! The man is being direct and honest. Plenty of kids make lists and some don't.  In regards to sports, as long as Bosha or a kids gets a schooly thats fine. And if he/she  doesn't, at least hopefully they  had fun doing what they love to do.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1392476" timestamp="1365446757"] Special  shout out to those Jags representing!  Maleena Washington , girls MVP and E'Torrian 'Toe Toe' Wileridge, First Team! [/quote]Its Wilridge...Wilridge....WILRIDGE-EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE  ;D

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1392422" timestamp="1365437620"] What that article didnt state was how Waltrip was trying to get a [b]certain PA player[/b] on their team the championship year.  ;) [/quote] As I said earlier, it was easy to get a player from another zone. Didn't know about the PA kid.

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1392434" timestamp="1365438875"] Haters gonna hate.  8) Good just Colton as MVP. [/quote]Yes sir!! They will come out of the deepest trenches to find you.  :D

[quote name="team first" post="1392424" timestamp="1365437938"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110906.msg1392394#msg1392394 date=1365432824] [quote author=Big girl link=topic=110906.msg1392372#msg1392372 date=1365426734] Congratulations to all that made the team, but in the grand scheme of things, I would prefer to make an All-State team when compared to a local super goal team. :D [/quote] Or, in the grand scheme of things, making the country's Top 100 list better than making All -State in some circles.  Just depends where one stands.  ;) [/quote] Or, in the grand scheme of things, making the country's Top 100 list at a height of 6 foot or taller is better than making it at a height of 6 foot or less [/quote] Not sure if I understand your point. But both would be considered making the same top 100 list in the country. You make the list on skill and production, not height.  ::)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1392419" timestamp="1365437423"] Some years ago, my son made third team all stars in his Little Dribblers district.  How does that stand in the grand scheme? [/quote] At least he didn't make 4th team  ;)

[quote name="Big girl" post="1392372" timestamp="1365426734"] Congratulations to all that made the team, but in the grand scheme of things, I would prefer to make an All-State team when compared to a local super goal team. :D [/quote] Or, in the grand scheme of things, making the country's Top 100 list better than making All -State in some circles.  Just depends where one stands.  ;)

[quote name="Big girl" post="1392365" timestamp="1365425591"] This list is laughable......... [/quote] Not really, I have no clue who made this list but it looks like no coaches were involved ;)

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1392389" timestamp="1365431542"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110910.msg1392383#msg1392383 date=1365429734] Were there any special "player acquisition programs" back then? [/quote]The article said that most of the team grew up together and went to middle school together. How times have changed.. [/quote] Yes!!! I saw that and started to make a note of it. But by the 1970's , many HISD schools still had players from different neighborhoods playing across town. It was just easier to write down an address and go that zoned school if you wanted to. But in theory, you would think schools who have their own turn-key operation (community youth programs, 2-3 middle schools & with all going to one high school) would be powerhouses.

I received a call last night from a friend out of Houston who witnessed Tony running in a recent race. H e was very impressed with T. Brown.

I read this article with some interest.  It kinda shows how  high school school  ball  has changed since then. 1. The competition in Houston ISD at that time, Grayson said, was[color=red] excellent.[/color] 2. The Rams [color=red]had a star for each grade level [/color]— Taylor was a senior, Antonio Falu was a junior and Field Williams, who would later play for Bob Huggins at Cincinnati, was a sophomore. 3.[color=red] Everybody was coming in the gym and working out that summer.[/color] It paid off for us that following year.” 4. Taylor, who now lives in Houston and has recently [color=red]started giving basketball lessons and coaches an AAU team,[/color] played professionally in Sweden and Kuwait, but he’ll never forget when the Rams celebrated their state crown in the Frank Erwin Center in Austin. [Hidden Content] Waltrip’s ’98 state championship team worthy of recognition April 4, 2013 | Filed under: Sports | Posted by: admin By Michael Sudhalter [email protected] I’m not usually one to promote high school reunions, as evidenced by the fact that I’ve never attended one myself. However, I’m about to promote one in a paragraph or two. Perhaps it’s because I graduated high school 15 years ago or because I enjoy sports nostalgia. But I think it’s important that the 1997-98 Waltrip High boys basketball team, UIL Class 4A State Champions, are honored — or at least reunited — to discuss the only athletic championship in school history. This group of Rams has to be included in the conversation about the top prep basketball teams to play in the City of Houston, a precursor to the great Jack Yates teams of recent years. Some of the Waltrip stars, such as Cedric Taylor, Field Williams and Antonio Falu have played professional basketball overseas and enjoyed great success beyond their roundball roots at 34th and Ella. The team was coached by the late Fred Smith, who passed away last summer at age 59. Booker T. Washington head boys basketball coach Vincent Grayson, Smith’s assistant on the state championship team, has great memories of that season, which he has archived in a detailed scrapbook. “Cedric Taylor was arguably the best guy in the State of Texas,” Grayson said. “Most people who saw Taylor play said he was better than (two-time NBA All-Star and Alief Elsik graduate) Rashard Lewis at that time.” “We were deep. I think we had five guys that came off the bench that could start for any other team.” [color=red]The competition in Houston ISD at that time, Grayson said, was excellent.[/color] “Teams like Wheatley and Kashmere and Worthing — who almost beat us in the fourth round — were good,” Grayson said. “A team from our district was going to win state that year.” [color=red]The Rams had a star for each grade level — Taylor was a senior, Antonio Falu was a junior and Field Williams, who would later play for Bob Huggins at Cincinnati, was a sophomore.[/color] “It was like a roller coaster year,” Taylor said. “Most of the guys grew up in the same neighborhood and went to the same middle school. My junior year, we had high expectations and had a bad season. We did a complete turnaround.[color=red] Everybody was coming in the gym and working out that summer. It paid off for us that following year.”[/color] Just four years earlier, Taylor led Black Middle School to an undefeated season. “Half of those guys were on the (Waltrip) state team (in ’98),” he said. [color=red]Taylor, who now lives in Houston and has recently started giving basketball lessons and coaches an AAU team, played professionally in Sweden and Kuwait, but he’ll never forget when the Rams celebrated their state crown in the Frank Erwin Center in Austin.[/color] “Just to be there on center stage with all of the lights — it was a major adrenaline rush,” Taylor said. Most of the Rams’ losses that season were against Dallas area teams. They lost on the road to the eventual Class 5A champion, Dallas Kimball, by six points during the regular season. Those losses benefited the Rams when they defeated Highland Park in the 4A state title game. “What I remember was one of the best teams to come through the Houston area — it was pretty nice,” said Williams, who resides in Houston and works at a plastics plant. After Cincinnati, Williams played professionally in Germany and Argentina after his career at Cincinnati. Grayson said the[color=red] community support[/color] was excellent, because the Rams were in unchartered territory. ================ *Edit* ================ One of the possible reasons why there hasn’t been much talk about the team over the past decade and a half is due to what transpired in the 1998-99 season. Falu, who declined to comment for the story, was ruled ineligible that season for being a year too old for high school and the team had to forfeit games, according to longtime former Waltrip athletic coordinator Anthony Zuccarini. “The controversy wasn’t during the state championship year…everything was legit for the state championship year,” Zuccarini said. The community should be proud of the Rams’ accomplishments in the 1997-98 season, and they shouldn’t be forgotten as time passes by, or clouded by the events of the following season. *Edit*

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1391799" timestamp="1365206015"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110519.msg1391734#msg1391734 date=1365194209] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=110519.msg1391712#msg1391712 date=1365190271] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=110519.msg1391660#msg1391660 date=1365180938] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=110519.msg1391643#msg1391643 date=1365177765] The X factor can be a lot of things. As most of you know it takes a lot of things to win a state title. Luck, coaching, skill, getting the right match ups in the playoffs, determination, and finally discipline. I don't think central will have all these things line up for them next year. Which one they are missing I will not say lol. That way we have something to debate.  8) [/quote] Smart man!  8) [/quote] 8) [/quote] I wish you would move up to myfivecents and provide more in depth info into your thoughts. Sheez! ;) [/quote] And I wish I had a billion dollars too. Spit in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first.  8) [/quote]But you have more control of explaining what you think than getting a billion dollars. So stop stalling  ::)

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1391712" timestamp="1365190271"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=110519.msg1391660#msg1391660 date=1365180938] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=110519.msg1391643#msg1391643 date=1365177765] The X factor can be a lot of things. As most of you know it takes a lot of things to win a state title. Luck, coaching, skill, getting the right match ups in the playoffs, determination, and finally discipline. I don't think central will have all these things line up for them next year. Which one they are missing I will not say lol. That way we have something to debate.  8) [/quote] Smart man!  8) [/quote] 8) [/quote] I wish you would move up to myfivecents and provide more in depth info into your thoughts. Sheez! ;)

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1391642" timestamp="1365177751"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110793.msg1391549#msg1391549 date=1365167475] Central will win State this year!!!  ???  OOOPS! Wrong forum!  :D  Congrats PJ -Keep grinding!! [/quote] :P [/quote] ;D :P

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1391684" timestamp="1365184956"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110519.msg1391675#msg1391675 date=1365183066] [color=pink]Bi-District Champs 2010-2013 Area Champs 2010-2013 Regional Semi-Finalist 2011[/color] Just shaking my head. On a sinking ship and ain't willing to swim with the rats to fadeee away. [/quote] You dont seem to feel that way about the economy [/quote] Forum police are never around when you need them ::)