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[quote name="Pumper" post="1387528" timestamp="1363897142"] Yep.  I came along during that time.  You could only play in sanctioned leagues, and there were only a couple in the Houston area, and they were basically all-star leagues (BCI run by Jay Parker).  And summer camps were not allowed if you were playing varsity the next school year. Stupid, stupid rules.  Never understood it. Was a BCI league between my jr and sr year for the top 60 returning srs in the Houston area.  I did not get picked, but my HS coach lobbied for me.  A couple kids did not make grades and couldn't play because of summer school, so I got in.  Tons of scouts at all the games, and a small school scholarship followed for me.  Great league.  BD, since you are an old Houston guy, you may remember some of the names; Lance Blanks, Sean Gay, Gerry McGee, Tracy White, Tiko Crawford, Tony Gatlin, Steve Smith, Ivan Jones, Wendall Nibbs (Kemo), Andy Gilchrist, etc.  Lots of D-1 talent, but that was a long time ago... [/quote]I remember Lance (UT?) Sean Gay @ Madison I think

Read an interesting article by a former college coach stating that Texas basketball has gotten better within the last several years due to players playing in the summer months. It reminds me of the kid from Madison Houston (Kite?) who wasn't allowed to play in a summer camp back in the day. I think his lawsuit  opened the doors for many Texas players to be able to compete on a national level. kids in Texas were set free when they were allowed to compete in the major camps and begin to compete at a higher level in high school.

C'mon guys! Keep trying-  I love it!!!! Again, my main point is this: I don't see any major differences between Mumford and AAA. So, I guess the "Old Coach" knew what he was talking about. [i]The kettle calling the pot black.[/i]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1387508" timestamp="1363894874"] weak- try harder - not to mention what a joke the coach/ad situation is/was [/quote] UIL rule states that a high school coach can't coach his AAU player who plays on the same high school team. [color=red]So if thats true[/color], maybe Mumford need to get their State title .  NEXT!!! ::)

Lets see now...hmmm? The names in bold I know are still with AAA. Not sure about Johnson kid (Larry Johnson's son UNLV fame. So thats about 4-5 players from the 8th grade. Just a different version of Little Dribblers. They grow up and play together. Like Mumford High. AAA Stallions [color=red][size=14pt]14U/8th Grade Basketball Team 2011 Roster[/size][/color] NUM PLAYER POS HT WT SCHOOL 1 Ty Bennett G/F 6-0 158 St. Anthony School, Dallas, Texas 3 [b]Amon Gilder [/b]G 5-10 155 Triple A Academy, Dallas, Texas 23 Lasani Johnson F 6-1 170 Triple A Academy, Dallas, Texas 22 [b]King McClure [/b]G 6-2 190 Triple A Academy, Dallas, Texas 44 Brandon Moore C 6-3 165 Triple A Academy, Dallas, Texas 33 Dalyn Mumphrey C 6-5 215 Triple A Academy, Dallas, Texas 32 Lavel Ramsey, Jr. C 6-4 190 Schimelpfenig Middle School, Plano, Texas 24 Sam Shiff F 6-1 160 Renner Middle School, Plano, Texas 10 [b]Tyler Singleton G 5-9 130 Triple A Academy, Dallas, Texas [/b]

[quote name="Farmer Fran" post="1387446" timestamp="1363884611"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=110076.msg1387439#msg1387439 date=1363882774] [quote]AAA has at least 4 players (that I know) attended AAA since 8th grade[/quote] That's odd.  Last year was Triple A's first year as a "public school".  The youngest kid on their roster is a sophomore.  That means that he was at Triple A as a freshman.  It is impossible for Triple A to have had 8th graders since they don't have a junior high.  Bottom line is Triple A was an AAU group that decided to become a "public school".  Unfortunately, right now in the State of Texas, any Tom, Dick, or Harry can start their own school and it is 3 years before TEA ever gets to them to see if they are operating within the guidelines that TEA has set forth for public schools. Triple A is simply an AAU outfit and their CEO's son is the best player.  Daddy wants his son to get to win a state championship and the only way to guarantee that was for him to form his own school with SELECTED TALENT and ASSEMBLED TALENT from an AAU organization.  Get this....Triple A had to hire another person to coach the team this year because Singleton, the current coach, had been their AAU coach and that would not fly with UIL.  So they make Singleton the AD then after the current coach loses 3 games in a row, they fire him and make Singleton the head coach again....funny thing....the "fired coach" stayed on as the assistant.  Yeah....nothing shady about that.  Just another group that finds ways to skirt the rules. [/quote] I thought I was through with this topic, but I will say this GREAT POST LAZEEK!!!! but BD will say Mumford ISD was started for the same reasons. ;D [/quote]I knew you could not resist it.

[quote name="Farmer Fran" post="1387446" timestamp="1363884611"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=110076.msg1387439#msg1387439 date=1363882774] [quote]AAA has at least 4 players (that I know) attended AAA since 8th grade[/quote] That's odd.  Last year was Triple A's first year as a "public school".  The youngest kid on their roster is a sophomore.  That means that he was at Triple A as a freshman.  It is impossible for Triple A to have had 8th graders since they don't have a junior high.  Bottom line is Triple A was an AAU group that decided to become a "public school".  Unfortunately, right now in the State of Texas, any Tom, Dick, or Harry can start their own school and it is 3 years before TEA ever gets to them to see if they are operating within the guidelines that TEA has set forth for public schools. Triple A is simply an AAU outfit and their CEO's son is the best player.  Daddy wants his son to get to win a state championship and the only way to guarantee that was for him to form his own school with SELECTED TALENT and ASSEMBLED TALENT from an AAU organization.  Get this....Triple A had to hire another person to coach the team this year because Singleton, the current coach, had been their AAU coach and that would not fly with UIL.  So they make Singleton the AD then after the current coach loses 3 games in a row, they fire him and make Singleton the head coach again....funny thing....the "fired coach" stayed on as the assistant.  Yeah....nothing shady about that.  Just another group that finds ways to skirt the rules. [/quote] I thought I was through with this topic, but I will say this GREAT POST LAZEEK!!!! but BD will say Mumford ISD was started for the same reasons. ;D [/quote] ::) I would not dare believe such a thing

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1387462" timestamp="1363886987"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1387461#msg1387461 date=1363886844] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110076.msg1387433#msg1387433 date=1363881704] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110076.msg1387430#msg1387430 date=1363881174] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1387397#msg1387397 date=1363874750] Bottom line.... There aren't any major differences in Mumford and AAA Accept it and move on 1. They both educate their students as their mission 2. They both get students from a large geographic area 3. They both take a serious interest in their sports program 4. They both are 1-A and played and made it to State 5. They both in some circles are accused of stretching the rules [/quote]You forgot: both teams have 4 kids who will likely play at the next level. Oh wait, that's just ONE of the teams!! ::) [/quote] Come one Abe, that is PURELY coincidental. [/quote]Thank you Nash!! ;D [/quote] Do you think everything that Lazeek posted ( and I have verified this information) is also "coincidental? [/quote] I'll respond  ;)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1387433" timestamp="1363881704"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110076.msg1387430#msg1387430 date=1363881174] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1387397#msg1387397 date=1363874750] Bottom line.... There aren't any major differences in Mumford and AAA Accept it and move on 1. They both educate their students as their mission 2. They both get students from a large geographic area 3. They both take a serious interest in their sports program 4. They both are 1-A and played and made it to State 5. They both in some circles are accused of stretching the rules [/quote]You forgot: both teams have 4 kids who will likely play at the next level. Oh wait, that's just ONE of the teams!! ::) [/quote] Come one Abe, that is PURELY coincidental. [/quote]Thank you Nash!! ;D

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1387401" timestamp="1363874976"] How about instead of focusing on student we focus on the actual players. Tell me this blue dove how many guys from triple a went to the same kindergarten together?? Because 7 out of 11 of the Mumford guys went to the same kindergarten. [/quote]oKAY-YYYYY!  Lets talk actual players............................. ;) Looks like 6 out of the 10 players attended Kindergarten in Mumford. [color=red][size=14pt]And-dddd [/size][/color] AAA has at least [size=14pt]4 [/size]players (that I know) attended AAA since 8th grade

Bottom line.... There aren't any major differences in Mumford and AAA Accept it and move on 1. They both educate their students as their mission 2. They both get students from a large geographic area 3. They both take a serious interest in their sports program 4. They both are 1-A and played and made it to State 5. They both in some circles are accused of stretching the rules

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1387374" timestamp="1363868510"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1387354#msg1387354 date=1363841830] You guys kill me!!! Any other time yall would take the word of the "old coach." Now it doesn't fit your agenda..so.oooooooooo now you try and spin it. But the realist see thru it  ;) [/quote] Other than you and Dickie V, please name the "realists" of which you speak.  Are they on this board or were they in the crowd that booed at the tourney? [/quote] The silent majority, Nash.  8)

You guys kill me!!! Any other time yall would take the word of the "old coach." Now it doesn't fit your agenda..so.oooooooooo now you try and spin it. But the realist see thru it  ;)

I'm saddened to know that you would think I merely "made" something up. Momma taught us better ;) Go back and read Coach Sodek's post. Its there!!!!!

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1386480" timestamp="1363647514"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=110312.msg1386472#msg1386472 date=1363644026] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110312.msg1386449#msg1386449 date=1363642466] [quote author=pallacanestro link=topic=110312.msg1386413#msg1386413 date=1363637050] "Those without morals see no wrong." That is what I have learned from my short time on this board. [/quote]And then there are those "who think they have more  morals"  than others. Thats what I have learned since being a member on this board!!  ;) [/quote] ;D ;D ;D My thoughs EXACTLY! +1 for you!! ;) [/quote] Does saying " Those without morals see no wrong" automatically make the author one who thinks he has more morals?  One more thing- is it moral to support something that tries to appear moral when it really isnt? [/quote]Always wanna have the last word, don't you big brother?

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1387049" timestamp="1363785123"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1387040#msg1387040 date=1363784009] LOL! There are others on here who see what we say but could give a "rats azz" about Mumford and AAA. The two schools are quite similar in their mission statement  and both take pride in their athletics. One verbally says it wants to help their athletes reach the next level, while the other builds state of the art  facilities for their athletes to reach their potential. They both get their students from a large geographic area (  ??? ) and have an open door policy for  [s]athletes [/s] .....errrr students. [/quote] And one develops its own players mostly from Kindergarten forward and the other uses "alternative acquisition" methods.  Could you also tell me one more time why the people who attended the state tourney and vocally indicated their unhappiness with the "situation" are uninformed now but never have been before? [/quote] From an athletic "point of view," I would be highly upset if my team made it to the State finals [color=red]AND [/color] with all my transfer students [color=red]AND [/color] still get [color=red]BLOWN OUT[/color]. I mean c'mon Nash & friends, it was already stated the new Mumford coach would get fired if the team continued to lose. Now!!! How many schools in TEXAS will fire a basketball coach for losing???? I repeat, how many schools in TEXAS will fire their coaches for losing???  I really want yall to marinate in this BEFORE you make another comment...errr spin.

LOL! There are others on here who see what we say but could give a "rats azz" about Mumford and AAA. The two schools are quite similar in their mission statement  and both take pride in their athletics. One verbally says it wants to help their athletes reach the next level, while the other builds state of the art  facilities for their athletes to reach their potential. They both get their students from a large geographic area (  ??? ) and have an open door policy for  [s]athletes [/s] .....errrr students.

[quote name="Farmer Fran" post="1386749" timestamp="1363724676"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1386745#msg1386745 date=1363724375] [quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=110076.msg1386678#msg1386678 date=1363716931] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1386670#msg1386670 date=1363714749] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110076.msg1386668#msg1386668 date=1363714091] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1386650#msg1386650 date=1363710407] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110076.msg1386610#msg1386610 date=1363705772] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385757#msg1385757 date=1363363839] AAA won State within the rules of UIL, period. Just as Mumford reached State, within the rules. I don't see a huge difference in either programs. yes, AAA has a larger coverage. But YES Prep out of Houston and many other inner city charter schools have the same area coverage and[color=red] CAN'T COMPETE[/color] at a high level. [/quote] Those who, as you say, can't compete" probably cannot because they adhere to the rules and did not organize for the sake of basketball proficiency. [/quote]Within the boundaries of staying within the rules, both Mumford and AAA are similar.  ;) [/quote] Dove- Do you have any idea why people booed when Triple A got their trophy? [/quote]Sure I do!! Lack of knowledge!! Thinking their "morals" are better than others. From that old Temptation song...goes something like.... "If you're living in a glasshouse...... don't throw no stones." Okay, lets simplify for some of yall and ask this question: What are the differences in the two schools? [b][color=red]Just the facts please!!![/color] [/quote][/b]This is easy From both schools website I did not see anything in Mumfords policies about participate in collegiate sports; junior college, NAIA or NCAA Division athletics [color=blue]From Triple AAA Academy--- Triple A Academy is a high school division/campus of FOCUS Academies that provides academic and[b] athletic development for the student that desires to participate in collegiate sports; junior college, NAIA or NCAA Divisions[/b] [/color] Mumford ISD The mission of the Texas public education system is to ensure that all Texas children have access to a quality education that enables them to achieve their full potential and fully participate now and in the future in the social, economic, and educational opportunities in our state and nation.  That mission is grounded on the conviction that a general diffusion of knowledge is essential for the welfare of Texas and for the preservation of the liberties and rights of Texas citizens.  It is further grounded on the conviction that a successful public education system is directly related to a strong, dedicated, and supportive family and that parental involvement in the school is essential for the maximum educational achievement of a child.  The objectives of public education are: OBJECTIVE 1:  Parents will be full partners with educators in the education of their children. OBJECTIVE 2:  Students will be encouraged and challenged to meet their full educational potential. OBJECTIVE 3:  Through enhanced dropout prevention efforts, all students will remain in school until they obtain a diploma. OBJECTIVE 4:  A well-balanced and appropriate curriculum will be provided to all students. OBJECTIVE 5:  Educators will prepare students to be thoughtful, active citizens who have an appreciation for the basic values of our state and national heritage and who can understand and productively function in a free enterprise society. OBJECTIVE 6:  Qualified and highly effective personnel will be recruited, developed, and retained. OBJECTIVE 7:  Texas students will demonstrate exemplary performance in comparison to national and international standards. OBJECTIVE 8:  School campuses will maintain a safe and disciplined environment conducive to student learning. OBJECTIVE 9:  Educators will keep abreast of the development of creative and innovative techniques in instruction and administration using those techniques as appropriate to improve student learning. OBJECTIVE 10:  Technology will be implemented and used to increase the effectiveness of student learning, instructional management, staff development, and administration. The academic goals of public education are to serve as a foundation for a well-balanced and appropriate education.  The students in the public education system will demonstrate exemplary performance in: GOAL 1:  The reading and writing of the English language. GOAL 2:  The understanding of mathematics. GOAL 3:  The understanding of science. GOAL 4:  The understanding of social studies. [/quote] Old article from local paper.........."One of the burning question of the latter part of the school year was where former Milano basketball coach and shooting guru Alvie King was going to hold court this year. Well, King has made his decision and has moved over to nearby Class A Mumford and will become the school's very first baseball coach. [color=red]This oil-rich high school on Farm Road 50 is trying to upgrade its athletic program [/color]and will begin a baseball program next season to accompany its successful basketball program of eight years. [color=red]Superintendent Pete Bienski is sparing no expense in the construction of a sports complex[/color] which will include a baseball field, softball field and tennis courts. [color=red]King will oversee the construction of the complex and the baseball field will be similar to LaGrange's, which is considered one of the best in the state. [/color] Mumford—whose enrollment has grown by 100 to 540 students in the past four years—was recently chosen one of the best high schools in America by U.S. News & World Report. King has never been a head baseball coach, but was an assistant at Milano and he will also assist Mumford basketball coach Chris Sodek, who was a protege of King's. King [color=red]King said Mumford had such a wealth of basketball players in junior high this year that it was able to have its own summer league of four teams.[/color] Sodek had the Mustangs flying high again this past season, ranked No. 3 in the state and averaging 97 points a game. They knocked Milano out of the playoffs in the first round, 104-67, then were upset the next week by Normangee. Mumford lost just one starter so expect them to be atop the rankings come this season behind slick point guard Eric Corona and 6-foot-6 postman Luke Scarmado. Sodek's style of play fits right in with King, who also likes to push the ball up the court. King's teams at Milano set state records for shooting and making threes. This also means that Mumford will inherit King's son Aubrie, who is considered one of the top junior players in the state and will be in eighth grade this year. The 6-foot-2 King is also a top notch baseball player as well. [/quote] Still does not say anything about developing players for Juco, NAIA, and NCAA sports....Nice try ;D [/quote] All schools develop their kids for the next level. So developing and focusing on new facilities isn't promoting and getting kids for the next level? Denial! Denial! Denial!!

[quote name="Farmer Fran" post="1386678" timestamp="1363716931"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1386670#msg1386670 date=1363714749] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110076.msg1386668#msg1386668 date=1363714091] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1386650#msg1386650 date=1363710407] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110076.msg1386610#msg1386610 date=1363705772] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385757#msg1385757 date=1363363839] AAA won State within the rules of UIL, period. Just as Mumford reached State, within the rules. I don't see a huge difference in either programs. yes, AAA has a larger coverage. But YES Prep out of Houston and many other inner city charter schools have the same area coverage and[color=red] CAN'T COMPETE[/color] at a high level. [/quote] Those who, as you say, can't compete" probably cannot because they adhere to the rules and did not organize for the sake of basketball proficiency. [/quote]Within the boundaries of staying within the rules, both Mumford and AAA are similar.  ;) [/quote] Dove- Do you have any idea why people booed when Triple A got their trophy? [/quote]Sure I do!! Lack of knowledge!! Thinking their "morals" are better than others. From that old Temptation song...goes something like.... "If you're living in a glasshouse...... don't throw no stones." Okay, lets simplify for some of yall and ask this question: What are the differences in the two schools? [b][color=red]Just the facts please!!![/color] [/quote][/b]This is easy From both schools website I did not see anything in Mumfords policies about participate in collegiate sports; junior college, NAIA or NCAA Division athletics [color=blue]From Triple AAA Academy--- Triple A Academy is a high school division/campus of FOCUS Academies that provides academic and[b] athletic development for the student that desires to participate in collegiate sports; junior college, NAIA or NCAA Divisions[/b] [/color] Mumford ISD The mission of the Texas public education system is to ensure that all Texas children have access to a quality education that enables them to achieve their full potential and fully participate now and in the future in the social, economic, and educational opportunities in our state and nation.  That mission is grounded on the conviction that a general diffusion of knowledge is essential for the welfare of Texas and for the preservation of the liberties and rights of Texas citizens.  It is further grounded on the conviction that a successful public education system is directly related to a strong, dedicated, and supportive family and that parental involvement in the school is essential for the maximum educational achievement of a child.  The objectives of public education are: OBJECTIVE 1:  Parents will be full partners with educators in the education of their children. OBJECTIVE 2:  Students will be encouraged and challenged to meet their full educational potential. OBJECTIVE 3:  Through enhanced dropout prevention efforts, all students will remain in school until they obtain a diploma. OBJECTIVE 4:  A well-balanced and appropriate curriculum will be provided to all students. OBJECTIVE 5:  Educators will prepare students to be thoughtful, active citizens who have an appreciation for the basic values of our state and national heritage and who can understand and productively function in a free enterprise society. OBJECTIVE 6:  Qualified and highly effective personnel will be recruited, developed, and retained. OBJECTIVE 7:  Texas students will demonstrate exemplary performance in comparison to national and international standards. OBJECTIVE 8:  School campuses will maintain a safe and disciplined environment conducive to student learning. OBJECTIVE 9:  Educators will keep abreast of the development of creative and innovative techniques in instruction and administration using those techniques as appropriate to improve student learning. OBJECTIVE 10:  Technology will be implemented and used to increase the effectiveness of student learning, instructional management, staff development, and administration. The academic goals of public education are to serve as a foundation for a well-balanced and appropriate education.  The students in the public education system will demonstrate exemplary performance in: GOAL 1:  The reading and writing of the English language. GOAL 2:  The understanding of mathematics. GOAL 3:  The understanding of science. GOAL 4:  The understanding of social studies. [/quote] Old article from local paper.........."One of the burning question of the latter part of the school year was where former Milano basketball coach and shooting guru Alvie King was going to hold court this year. Well, King has made his decision and has moved over to nearby Class A Mumford and will become the school's very first baseball coach. [color=red]This oil-rich high school on Farm Road 50 is trying to upgrade its athletic program [/color]and will begin a baseball program next season to accompany its successful basketball program of eight years. [color=red]Superintendent Pete Bienski is sparing no expense in the construction of a sports complex[/color] which will include a baseball field, softball field and tennis courts. [color=red]King will oversee the construction of the complex and the baseball field will be similar to LaGrange's, which is considered one of the best in the state. [/color] Mumford—whose enrollment has grown by 100 to 540 students in the past four years—was recently chosen one of the best high schools in America by U.S. News & World Report. King has never been a head baseball coach, but was an assistant at Milano and he will also assist Mumford basketball coach Chris Sodek, who was a protege of King's. King [color=red]King said Mumford had such a wealth of basketball players in junior high this year that it was able to have its own summer league of four teams.[/color] Sodek had the Mustangs flying high again this past season, ranked No. 3 in the state and averaging 97 points a game. They knocked Milano out of the playoffs in the first round, 104-67, then were upset the next week by Normangee. Mumford lost just one starter so expect them to be atop the rankings come this season behind slick point guard Eric Corona and 6-foot-6 postman Luke Scarmado. Sodek's style of play fits right in with King, who also likes to push the ball up the court. King's teams at Milano set state records for shooting and making threes. This also means that Mumford will inherit King's son Aubrie, who is considered one of the top junior players in the state and will be in eighth grade this year. The 6-foot-2 King is also a top notch baseball player as well.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1386668" timestamp="1363714091"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1386650#msg1386650 date=1363710407] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110076.msg1386610#msg1386610 date=1363705772] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385757#msg1385757 date=1363363839] AAA won State within the rules of UIL, period. Just as Mumford reached State, within the rules. I don't see a huge difference in either programs. yes, AAA has a larger coverage. But YES Prep out of Houston and many other inner city charter schools have the same area coverage and[color=red] CAN'T COMPETE[/color] at a high level. [/quote] Those who, as you say, can't compete" probably cannot because they adhere to the rules and did not organize for the sake of basketball proficiency. [/quote]Within the boundaries of staying within the rules, both Mumford and AAA are similar.  ;) [/quote] Dove- Do you have any idea why people booed when Triple A got their trophy? [/quote]Sure I do!! Lack of knowledge!! Thinking their "morals" are better than others. From that old Temptation song...goes something like.... "If you're living in a glasshouse...... don't throw no stones." Okay, lets simplify for some of yall and ask this question: What are the differences in the two schools? [color=red]Just the facts please!!![/color]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1386610" timestamp="1363705772"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385757#msg1385757 date=1363363839] AAA won State within the rules of UIL, period. Just as Mumford reached State, within the rules. I don't see a huge difference in either programs. yes, AAA has a larger coverage. But YES Prep out of Houston and many other inner city charter schools have the same area coverage and[color=red] CAN'T COMPETE[/color] at a high level. [/quote] Those who, as you say, can't compete" probably cannot because they adhere to the rules and did not organize for the sake of basketball proficiency. [/quote]Within the boundaries of staying within the rules, both Mumford and AAA are similar.  ;)

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1386446" timestamp="1363641924"] Stevenash probably thinks "Jim Crow" means seperate but equal... ::) ::) [/quote] ;D

[quote name="pallacanestro" post="1386413" timestamp="1363637050"] "Those without morals see no wrong." That is what I have learned from my short time on this board. [/quote]And then there are those "who think they have more  morals"  than others. Thats what I have learned since being a member on this board!!  ;)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1386355" timestamp="1363627800"] Lets assume that high school basketball coach A, is an AAU coach during the time that high school basketball is not played.  Lets further assume that he is a really nice guy and the kids on the AAU team (that was assembled, not assigned or drafted) really like playing for him.  "Suddenly" the kids decide that they would like to play for him during the regular high school season and transfer to the school where he coaches.  Needless to say, anyone playing AAU basketball is very likely an above average player and those transfer ins provide that coach with more above average players than high school programs where the AAU coaching activity does not occur.  Would anyone consider this an unfair advantage or a method of skirting the intent/spirit of the rules? In another instance, lets suppose that a school district gets a majority of its students ( all students, not basketball players) transferred in while still in elementary school ( at this point, nobody knows if any will be high school stars). rather than when they are of varisty age and have developed their respective games. This school develops its own players and hoped for success in basketball.  Is this any different when compared to the first scenario?  It seems as the Dove doesnt think so. [/quote] In your 1st "instance" you're referring to Mumford and AAA, right? In your 2nd "instance" you are once again to referring to the same schools, right? Seems both schools apply to the same rules. ::)

I'm beginning to think that the urban school is being accused far too unjustly than their rural school counterpart  in this situation. And frankly, there isn't a big gap between the two school's academic and athletic mission.  ;)