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[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1386434" timestamp="1363640273"] How many points did McCain score? How is he on defense. Anyone inviting these kids to.camps outside of SETX? [/quote] Not really sure. I just happen to see a notation that he is from Silsbee. Not sure what team he is playing on.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1386420" timestamp="1363637759"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=110129.msg1386414#msg1386414 date=1363637170] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=110129.msg1384593#msg1384593 date=1363011570] Since Im a Silsbee native I will break it down. Silsbee may have had the best talent overall in SETX over the last 35 years next to PA Lincoln. Silsbee has never been able to get over the hump to win state. I have seen Silsbee teams that have had 3 Allstate players at one time come up short. If these two have the talent to make their teammates better amd keep those grades up, who knows. I wish them the best of luck and ill be sure to catch a game or two. If they can win state is a very tough question to answer since I have nothing to compare to yet. [/quote] SECOND behind PA Lincoln??? NO sir, they are not...You ever hear of a Beaumont ISD school called Hebert? The one that actually won a state title or two? They had more talent than Silsbee...So has Central over that time span and Westbrook too...Talent is Silsbee? Absolutely, yes...MORE than the BISD schools...NO WAY. [/quote] Perhaps it would be interesting to see how Silsbee has fared in recent years against all of these superior talented Beaumont schools.  I'll bet  you might be  surprised. [/quote]Huh? And this coming from a guy who uses the 1960's Celtic teams as the measuring bar for today's teams. ;D

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1386365" timestamp="1363630133"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1386349#msg1386349 date=1363626903] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=110076.msg1386341#msg1386341 date=1363625303] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1386338#msg1386338 date=1363624889] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110076.msg1386307#msg1386307 date=1363620339] Glad to hear that.  All thats left now is for you to become a Republican. [/quote]But I also have no problem with AAA's program  ;D [/quote] Of course you don't. [/quote] Hmmm? May I assume you have NO problem with Mumford, but maybe a slight problem with AAA'S program? [/quote] Well thank you captain obvious. [/quote] Interesting, I don't have a problem with either program but it appears or at least you seem to imply one program may be different.

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1386341" timestamp="1363625303"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1386338#msg1386338 date=1363624889] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110076.msg1386307#msg1386307 date=1363620339] Glad to hear that.  All thats left now is for you to become a Republican. [/quote]But I also have no problem with AAA's program  ;D [/quote] Of course you don't. [/quote] Hmmm? May I assume you have NO problem with Mumford, but maybe a slight problem with AAA'S program?

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1386307" timestamp="1363620339"] Glad to hear that.  All thats left now is for you to become a Republican. [/quote]But I also have no problem with AAA's program  ;D

I haven't seen McCain but I read where he made a little buzz at The Spring Ice Breaker this past weekend. Scored quite a few points.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1386290" timestamp="1363617783"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1386260#msg1386260 date=1363576276] [quote author=Coach Sodek link=topic=110076.msg1386259#msg1386259 date=1363576134] Yes sir BlueDove.  We would probably have less than 100 kids in our whole school (PK3-12) if not for transfers from surrounding communities.    That is the truth.  It has pretty much always been that way but it has increased some since the addition of the high school in th early 2000's. [/quote] Thanks coach!!  ;) [/quote] Dove- Just so you cant get away with what you are trying to get away with, those transfers come to the school at an early age, well ahead of the time when one has any idea if the young man will be a basketball player or not.  Hence, they develop their own rather than acquiring them after it is well known that they AAU stars or d-1 prospects.  I am a little shocked that you would try to suggest there is anything analogous in the slightest to what Triple A, Yates and Madison do as compared to Mumford. [/quote]Let me make a point here. I'm in no way disagreeing with Mumford's program!!!!!

[quote name="Coach Sodek" post="1386259" timestamp="1363576134"] Yes sir BlueDove.  We would probably have less than 100 kids in our whole school (PK3-12) if not for transfers from surrounding communities.    That is the truth.  It has pretty much always been that way but it has increased some since the addition of the high school in th early 2000's. [/quote] Thanks coach!!  ;)

[quote name="Coach Sodek" post="1386235" timestamp="1363568910"] Shooter...THANKS Nash and Garrity...you are correct in your assessment concerning what I said.  Concerning the Booing...Our players and coaches did not Boo--we clapped.  Its not those kids fault.  They were very good.  I wish no one had booed them.  We certainly did not ask anyone to boo.  That was one heck of a basketball team...we all can agree on that, [/quote] 90% of your students are transfers???

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1385764" timestamp="1363364745"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110159.msg1385762#msg1385762 date=1363364068] [quote author=CRUSHCOACH link=topic=110159.msg1385719#msg1385719 date=1363350281] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110159.msg1384987#msg1384987 date=1363131970] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=110159.msg1384971#msg1384971 date=1363130312] For schools like Lincoln, Silsbee, Kountze, and Hebert you could form 4 different starting 5 and still be close to right. Lots of talent in the school sysystems. Who was that exchange student back in the day for PNG that.shot 3's like layupz? [/quote]Y [/quote]PNG had an exchange student?  Hmmmmm!!! [/quote] Yes, a very appropriate comparison to Yates and Triple A.  Good inference, Dove [/quote]And lets not forget 1A Mumford High  ;)

[quote name="Kountzer" post="1386024" timestamp="1363431402"] Back in '73 I saw this guard for Houston Sterling, named Kenny (I forgot his last name) go up against Wheatley in the playoffs.  The game was at Hofeinz Pavilion.  Legendary Wheatley Coach Jackie Carr considered that '73 Wheatley team his best ever.  They were like 43-1 that year.  Nobody gave Sterling a chance.  Everyone at the game was there to see this great Wheatley team. Kenny had some mad handles.  He consistently broke the famous Wheatley press.  Dude was dribbling behind his back, between his legs, etc..  Then he would come down, shoot a 15 footer with all kinds of hands in his face.  He would double clutch the shot and kiss it off the glass.  He did this several times. He scored almost 40 pts.  Wheatley could not stop him.  When he wasn't scoring Kenny kept setting up his big man for easy lay ups under the rim.  His big man was this big 6'5" Italian guy named Lee Canalito.  Canalito is somewhat famous.  He's a big time trainer in Houston.  If you don't believe me, look him up.  I think Canalito had something like 20 pts and 15 rebounds in that game.  Canalito went on the act in some Sly Stallone movies.  He was also an undefeated heavyweight boxer, 21-0. Kenny the guard got a basketball scholarship to Sam Houston State.  Sadly he was shot and killed while allegedly breaking into someone's home in Huntsville, Tx.  They had a big write up about it in the Houston papers.  Just the same, that was the greatest single game performance I've ever seen in high school basketball. [/quote]I remember Leo. I think he went to UOFH on fb scholly. I kinda remember the kid (Kenny) for some reason and that incident.

[quote name="bullets13" post="1386070" timestamp="1363450420"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385729#msg1385729 date=1363354775] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110076.msg1385694#msg1385694 date=1363317808] [quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=110076.msg1385691#msg1385691 date=1363317173] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385685#msg1385685 date=1363315529] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110076.msg1385667#msg1385667 date=1363308430] So all of the D-1 prospects that are there are strictly there because they were undereducated inner city kids who were unable to learn in the public schools? [/quote] D1?  Can't believe what the conservative media writes  8) [/quote] Please!!! ::) ::  Look at this site [Hidden Content]; Over half their roster is on the future 150 list..Most are 4 and 5 star players. The system is broke and the uil needs to fix it. [/quote] is that the right site? i only saw a few from Texas but they were from other schools. [/quote]LOL!! Please do not go by Future 150. Its a ranking site where they rank kids who attend their camps by [color=red]PAYING [/color]and playing. Next example please!!! [/quote]the poor inner city kids who couldn't learn in public schools have money for basketball camp? [/quote] So, you want them to grow fat and get sick. Get disability benefits?  ::)

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1386054" timestamp="1363447607"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1386052#msg1386052 date=1363447425] [quote author=usedtobe link=topic=110076.msg1385837#msg1385837 date=1363376898] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385810#msg1385810 date=1363371899] [quote author=usedtobe link=topic=110076.msg1385771#msg1385771 date=1363365943] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385733#msg1385733 date=1363355705] [quote author=pallacanestro link=topic=110076.msg1385701#msg1385701 date=1363319120] Bluedove, how do you know so much about AAA, mclure, and the director from notre dame? Would it happen to be from experiences you had with them at AAU? Corruption in HS basketball is due to AAU and parents who want to shop their children around. I remember a certain guard from the Houston area that later played at Arizona...how many high schools did he attend before settling down? [/quote] How do I know them? Various avenues other than the AAU circuit  ;) Do you really want to debate HS vs AAU with me? Do you really want to[color=red] compare[/color] the behind scenes in HS and AAU with me? You may not want to do that, trust me!! [/quote] WOW, right out of DickieV's tactics manual - right down to the plea, "trust me." ::) [/quote]It should be. The same man that taught me, taught Dickie too!! [/quote] It's a shame that neither you nor DickieV picked up the pure "Class" that your mentor had. :( [/quote]Question!! Yes Prep which has about 6 charter school campuses in Houston were put into the 2-A class with Anahuac. [color=red]Why do we not hear any complaining [/color]about those charter schools. They are in Houston surrounded by a large population. [/quote] There are lots of complaining about those charter schools. Just ask the EC, Anahuac, and Hardin folks about having to be in the same district with "those" schools. It's a complete joke. [/quote]Okay Aggie, we both know the complaints are far different than those of AAA. Don't twist it

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[quote name="usedtobe" post="1385837" timestamp="1363376898"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385810#msg1385810 date=1363371899] [quote author=usedtobe link=topic=110076.msg1385771#msg1385771 date=1363365943] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385733#msg1385733 date=1363355705] [quote author=pallacanestro link=topic=110076.msg1385701#msg1385701 date=1363319120] Bluedove, how do you know so much about AAA, mclure, and the director from notre dame? Would it happen to be from experiences you had with them at AAU? Corruption in HS basketball is due to AAU and parents who want to shop their children around. I remember a certain guard from the Houston area that later played at Arizona...how many high schools did he attend before settling down? [/quote] How do I know them? Various avenues other than the AAU circuit  ;) Do you really want to debate HS vs AAU with me? Do you really want to[color=red] compare[/color] the behind scenes in HS and AAU with me? You may not want to do that, trust me!! [/quote] WOW, right out of DickieV's tactics manual - right down to the plea, "trust me." ::) [/quote]It should be. The same man that taught me, taught Dickie too!! [/quote] It's a shame that neither you nor DickieV picked up the pure "Class" that your mentor had. :( [/quote]Question!! Yes Prep which has about 6 charter school campuses in Houston were put into the 2-A class with Anahuac. [color=red]Why do we not hear any complaining [/color]about those charter schools. They are in Houston surrounded by a large population.

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1385835" timestamp="1363376489"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110076.msg1385832#msg1385832 date=1363376300] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385826#msg1385826 date=1363374950] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110076.msg1385815#msg1385815 date=1363373338] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385807#msg1385807 date=1363371725] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=110076.msg1385768#msg1385768 date=1363365166] I think Coach Sodek explained Mumford's differences quite well. ;) [/quote]yep, both get players from outside their geographic areas. One has a larger area.......wow! [/quote] Gee, Dove- It would appear you did not read Mr. Sodeks post or you think he not telling the truth.  From what I saw, one of the first nine players came to the school during his Varsity years.  Looks like everyone else is pretty much homegrown.  Are you going to "suggest" that this same type of situation exists at Yates, Madison, and Triple A? [/quote]AAA players started out home grown.  They were there as well BEFORE high school  ::) [/quote] Yea, right.  They were all in the same neighborhood. [/quote] Hey Dove which neighborhood? Same neighborhood as the school or same neighborhood umpteen miles away from the school? [/quote]Mumford kids weren't around the corner either ;) I have no problem with Mumford, but they lost within the rules.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1385815" timestamp="1363373338"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385807#msg1385807 date=1363371725] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=110076.msg1385768#msg1385768 date=1363365166] I think Coach Sodek explained Mumford's differences quite well. ;) [/quote]yep, both get players from outside their geographic areas. One has a larger area.......wow! [/quote] Gee, Dove- It would appear you did not read Mr. Sodeks post or you think he not telling the truth.  From what I saw, one of the first nine players came to the school during his Varsity years.  Looks like everyone else is pretty much homegrown.  Are you going to "suggest" that this same type of situation exists at Yates, Madison, and Triple A? [/quote]AAA players started out home grown.  They were there as well BEFORE high school  ::)

[quote name="usedtobe" post="1385771" timestamp="1363365943"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385733#msg1385733 date=1363355705] [quote author=pallacanestro link=topic=110076.msg1385701#msg1385701 date=1363319120] Bluedove, how do you know so much about AAA, mclure, and the director from notre dame? Would it happen to be from experiences you had with them at AAU? Corruption in HS basketball is due to AAU and parents who want to shop their children around. I remember a certain guard from the Houston area that later played at Arizona...how many high schools did he attend before settling down? [/quote] How do I know them? Various avenues other than the AAU circuit  ;) Do you really want to debate HS vs AAU with me? Do you really want to[color=red] compare[/color] the behind scenes in HS and AAU with me? You may not want to do that, trust me!! [/quote] WOW, right out of DickieV's tactics manual - right down to the plea, "trust me." ::) [/quote]It should be. The same man that taught me, taught Dickie too!!

[quote name="usedtobe" post="1385771" timestamp="1363365943"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385733#msg1385733 date=1363355705] [quote author=pallacanestro link=topic=110076.msg1385701#msg1385701 date=1363319120] Bluedove, how do you know so much about AAA, mclure, and the director from notre dame? Would it happen to be from experiences you had with them at AAU? Corruption in HS basketball is due to AAU and parents who want to shop their children around. I remember a certain guard from the Houston area that later played at Arizona...how many high schools did he attend before settling down? [/quote] How do I know them? Various avenues other than the AAU circuit  ;) Do you really want to debate HS vs AAU with me? Do you really want to[color=red] compare[/color] the behind scenes in HS and AAU with me? You may not want to do that, trust me!! [/quote] WOW, right out of DickieV's tactics manual - right down to the plea, "trust me." ::) [/quote]I'm still waiting....... 8)

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1385768" timestamp="1363365166"] I think Coach Sodek explained Mumford's differences quite well. ;) [/quote]yep, both get players from outside their geographic areas. One has a larger area.......wow!

[quote name="CRUSHCOACH" post="1385719" timestamp="1363350281"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110159.msg1384987#msg1384987 date=1363131970] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=110159.msg1384971#msg1384971 date=1363130312] For schools like Lincoln, Silsbee, Kountze, and Hebert you could form 4 different starting 5 and still be close to right. Lots of talent in the school sysystems. Who was that exchange student back in the day for PNG that.shot 3's like layupz? [/quote]Y [/quote]PNG had an exchange student?  Hmmmmm!!!

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1385759" timestamp="1363363929"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385757#msg1385757 date=1363363839] AAA won State within the rules of UIL, period. Just as Mumford reached State, within the rules. I don't see a huge difference in either programs. [/quote] ::) [/quote]Okay Aggie. Lets do this.......differences???

AAA won State within the rules of UIL, period. Just as Mumford reached State, within the rules. I don't see a huge difference in either programs. yes, AAA has a larger coverage. But YES Prep out of Houston and many other inner city charter schools have the same area coverage and[color=red] CAN'T COMPETE[/color] at a high level.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1385736" timestamp="1363356994"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385734#msg1385734 date=1363356039] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110076.msg1385702#msg1385702 date=1363319887] [quote author=pallacanestro link=topic=110076.msg1385701#msg1385701 date=1363319120] Bluedove, how do you know so much about AAA, mclure, and the director from notre dame? Would it happen to be from experiences you had with them at AAU? Corruption in HS basketball is due to AAU and parents who want to shop their children around. I remember a certain guard from the Houston area that later played at Arizona...how many high schools did he attend before settling down? [/quote]yep! Nic Wise. And told a random Twitter follower when asked a while back that he wished he would have stayed at 1 HS. [/quote] Thats why they have schools like Julliard Prep for the gifted and talented. Same thing in basketball, tennis, ballet, gymnastics, Prime Prep, etc. The gifted & talented should compete against the best. [/quote] Then they ought to be in leagues/divisions. etc where they compete against teams who have the same "player acquisition" standards as they do instead of playing against those who are limited geographically. [/quote] Never said I didn't agree with this. But this is why summer ball is more popular among the D1 players than  HS.  The best get the opportunity to play against the best.  Put all top teams in 6-A division if possible. But for right now just .............play the game!!!!! Lets stop all the "little johnny whining!!!"

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1385702" timestamp="1363319887"] [quote author=pallacanestro link=topic=110076.msg1385701#msg1385701 date=1363319120] Bluedove, how do you know so much about AAA, mclure, and the director from notre dame? Would it happen to be from experiences you had with them at AAU? Corruption in HS basketball is due to AAU and parents who want to shop their children around. I remember a certain guard from the Houston area that later played at Arizona...how many high schools did he attend before settling down? [/quote]yep! Nic Wise. And told a random Twitter follower when asked a while back that he wished he would have stayed at 1 HS. [/quote] Thats why they have schools like Julliard Prep for the gifted and talented. Same thing in basketball, tennis, ballet, gymnastics, Prime Prep, etc. The gifted & talented should compete against the best.