BLUEDOVE3

Beating the same rival  team 3 straight times is tough

Here is another difference I've seen between 4-A and 5-A teams in Houston vs Beaumont. Size and skill level of the bigs are  a plus in Houston, plus their basketball IQ.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1365415" timestamp="1358725693"] We know about Ozen's shooters.  Ozen's only Chance is to get some kind of inside game going.  They will also need to control the boards.  A strong task for them.  We know about Hunter.  He'll get his, but will someone else step up?  I don't know.  Ozen thrives on forcing turnovers.  We need to not turn over the ball, make our free throws not allow there to be a dry spell in scoring.  bench play could be key. I have Central by 8 [/quote]Yep, yall better make those free throws in bonus situations, or its a long night.

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1365409" timestamp="1358723163"] If Ozen shoots lights out like they did against Ned, then the Panthers pull the 'upset' and coast to victory. The Jags do not shoot well from outside, so they don't usually rely on good shooting to win like Ozen and Nederland do. I think a lot of pressure will be on the young Panthers to make shots from the outside. I know the Jags are young too, but they have the confidence on their side right now with two big wins over Ozen and Nederland. I think it will lead them to a W. If the Jags are over confident, it will be their demise. Jags by 3 in OT. [/quote]The team that plays good (patient) defense and controls the boards will win.  ;)

Westbrook and Memorial can barely win their district and won't get deep into 5-A playoffs. But they do fine playing in this area. It is what it is!!! Bush, Travis, Clear Lake area schools, etc......... tough.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1365333" timestamp="1358701621"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=108357.msg1365331#msg1365331 date=1358700551] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108357.msg1365328#msg1365328 date=1358699088] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=108357.msg1365324#msg1365324 date=1358697975] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108357.msg1365323#msg1365323 date=1358697779] Now about the actual game itself, Central played very good defense.  The [b]30[/b] point performance was Big Ned's lowest point total of the year.  This kind of  defense can carry the Jags them a long way! [/quote] 40. [/quote] Let me reword it.  The 40 points are amongst the lowest total for Nederland this season... [/quote]Yep. Not gonna win many games scoring 40 points against an elite team. The defensive effort for Ned was impressive as well. Since the Lufkin tourney, the Jags have averaged 64ppg. Holding the Jags to 50 is not easy. 50 points is amongst the lowest output for the Jags this season. Central has scored exactly 50 in 3 games this year, plus a 38 point and 44 point performance in the Lufkin tourney. In order to win games, we must show up in the 1st half. We have come from behind too many times this season. We must find a way to get a lead early. Gotta play hard and aggressive all 4Q's, not just the last 2 when we are behind. [/quote]Very good info and very true. [/quote]  ::) In other words.........  ;D ;D  :-X

[quote name="BIG SHOW" post="1365344" timestamp="1358706957"] I don't think there is anything wrong with Nederland.  There are some small things that Nederland can improve on but sometimes the shots fall for you and sometimes they don't.  Look at Ozen for example. They almost lost to PNG because they couldn't get there shots to go down.  There is a lot of basketball left. Anything could happen! Also IMO, the BMT schools should be the top runners in the district in all three sports. Football, Basketball, Baseball.  You have 100K + to choose from with a open enrollment with a 5A school already in the area vs the rest of the district with 16k that have 1 school. I think Ozen and Central should be playing 5A. IMO, i think if you have a area with 5A numbers and a open enrollment, you should be playing 5A. Or close the open enrollment and make them go to the school in there living zone. I bet there are some 7 graders and 8th graders right now playing together from different zones in BMT debating on what school they should all go to when they get to high school. Other schools in the district don't have this luxury. [/quote]Using your example, Worthing High , Davis, Sterling, YEP, etc all should have good basketball programs in Houston because of the population advantage, but they don't.  #2, there isn't a school in this area who can compete in 5-A playoffs against Houston schools. But 4-A is wide open- no dominant teams.

[quote name="85' HUSKER" post="1365287" timestamp="1358655790"] As the great Jack Nicholson wants said ---- You want the truth? You can't handle the truth. I will post on this subject later. I am still trying to shorten my list of problems so I don't offend all the homers  :'( [/quote] I can't wait to see your list.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1365160" timestamp="1358623545"] [quote author=Yeoj link=topic=108406.msg1365132#msg1365132 date=1358618343] Nothing is really wrong with the Bulldogs. They are simply just the third best team in 20-4A. It's actually quite obvious. [/quote] Ouch! :o :o [/quote] ;)

[size=10pt][color=pink]20-4A District Champs 2010-2012 Bi-District Champs 2010-2012 Area Champs 2010-2012 Regional Quarter Finalist 2010-2012 Regional Semi-Finalist 2011[/color][/size]

[quote name="Gucci" post="1364804" timestamp="1358548691"] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=108282.msg1364799#msg1364799 date=1358546653] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108282.msg1364798#msg1364798 date=1358546182] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=108282.msg1364795#msg1364795 date=1358545435] Silsbee will sweep the series this year [/quote] You are OBVIOUSLY afraid to make the west orange bet so how about this.  You make the WOS bet and the Silsbee bet.  Looking at it from your viewpoint, the Silsbee bet is a lock and if somehow lowly HJ (who cant handle athletic teams) manages to eke out a victory of WOS you break even.  But based on your deep understanding of athleticism and of HJ, it ought to be two easy bets.  How about it? [/quote] I don't have to bet. When they lose to Silsbee AGAIN I will get the chance to say I told you so. 2 scorers won't beat Silsbee [/quote]Of course Silsbee is better then HJ this year. Think about it, Hj is at a disadvantage this year. Silsbee star should be a sophomore in college..... [/quote]C'mon now. You know thats not true. And I have the proof  ;)

This is an edited version from a story I came across  out of Houston. Below is a projection of the Region 3 top four teams within the 4A  [color=red], which was written this past December. "The 4A bracket of Region 3 is much harder to predict at this time.  Here are the teams who are making their mark as Top Shelf." [color=black]Terry Rangers -  Anytime you have Derrick Griffin in the lineup, you have some serious odds on your side.  Once he gains his basketball legs, expect him to rack up a few triple doubles before the season ends.  The only way any of these 4A teams are beating Terry is to shoot it very well from the outside. Wheatley Wildcats  -  Tavario Miller is playing his butt off!  The team has just enough guard speed to stay a step ahead of most opponents.  The key will be how often they feed Miller the rock is places where he can be most effective near the rim. Marshall Buffs -  the most under-rated 4A team in the state!  This team has all the tools to not only knock off any other Top Shelf team, but they can actually win 6 straight in the playoffs.  Damien Day has been in the starting lineup since 9th grade, but long armed lefty Curtis Bynum has emerged as the go to guy on this squad.  He posted 37pts last week in a win over Westfield. [color=red]Beaumont Central Jaguars -  [/color]these guys have to experience but something is still missing from the equation.  Once they attain that killer instinct on the floor, combined with more spacing and toughness on the interior, they could become very capable of running through the playoff bracket.[/color] Others:  [color=black] Dawson, [color=red] Nederland,[/color]  Brazosport,[/color]  [color=red]Beaumont Ozen..[/color] [color=black]"Two months later, I feel pretty much the same in regards to my projections for the Top 4 teams in both of those classifications.  However, the ink is still wet on Terry HS (4A) and Manvel (5A).  In the "Others" category,[color=red] I would not put much stock into[/color] Dawson or [color=red]Ozen's capability to win at least 4 consecutive post season games. [/color] "  :o :o Man, I 'd hang this article up in the locker room..........[/color]

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1364746" timestamp="1358536310"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=108307.msg1364729#msg1364729 date=1358532940] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108307.msg1364718#msg1364718 date=1358530145] [quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=108307.msg1364714#msg1364714 date=1358529512] One thing to consider.....after Ned wins tonight next up on Centrals schedule is Ozen....they will beat Central too [/quote] :o  I think we'll worry about Ozen after tonight...  Btw, you  are aware that we've beaten Ozen twice this year already.... The latest one in an inhuman effort by Hunter with his huge 4th quarter, which Ozen  STILL came up short. [/quote]I see your point now BD3! It's either  arrogance or confidence (from Central fans). Since they beat y'all twice already, there does not seem to be a reason to show up on Tuesday. ;) [/quote] Abe, please don't tell me you're entertaining Dove's foolishness... ;D [/quote] LOL! Abe knows I am a honorable man  ;D

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1364729" timestamp="1358532940"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108307.msg1364718#msg1364718 date=1358530145] [quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=108307.msg1364714#msg1364714 date=1358529512] One thing to consider.....after Ned wins tonight next up on Centrals schedule is Ozen....they will beat Central too [/quote] :o  I think we'll worry about Ozen after tonight...  Btw, you  are aware that we've beaten Ozen twice this year already.... The latest one in an inhuman effort by Hunter with his huge 4th quarter, which Ozen  STILL came up short. [/quote]I see your point now BD3! It's either  arrogance or confidence (from Central fans). Since they beat y'all twice already, there does not seem to be a reason to show up on Tuesday. ;) [/quote] Yep, smile in your face all day long. Talk about you as soon as your back is turned. Whispering to each other, " Nederland ain't nut'n. We got this. And Ozen, we beat them twice. I got my bus ticket to Austin already." Tried to tell yall.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1364552" timestamp="1358467337"] Wouldn't mind seeing a playoff preview out at Ford Arena (still prefer Montagne) with warm up games or seed/play in games from our local districts. Could host a triple header on that final Saturday of regular season. [/quote]Montagne would be better. I agree.

[quote name="ST413" post="1364547" timestamp="1358466815"] No......unless its on a friday!! I wrk saturdays! ;) [/quote] Always ONE who spoil everything for everybody. Just forget it guys, ST413 works on Saturdays  ::) ;D

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1364690" timestamp="1358523689"] Just to response to DickieV's comment.  I can see where he's going with this.  Central IS talented every year.  Just like last year, we beat Nederland in a nondistrict game.  But, last year's team ended up splitting the district meetings.  The game that Nederland did win was  in the  dog dome..  They ended up tied for first.  Dickyv sees a repeat of that this year.  I do not.  This year's group is special. [/quote] From Souljah: [color=red] "Dickyv sees a repeat of that this year. [size=14pt] I do not.  This year's group is special."[/color] Nederland fans, I have told yall on several occasions these Central people say yall don't belong in the same gym with them. More evidence!!!! Dogs, come out in full force tonight!!!

[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1364675" timestamp="1358520757"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108307.msg1364671#msg1364671 date=1358520323] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108307.msg1364659#msg1364659 date=1358519185] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108307.msg1364640#msg1364640 date=1358516976] Why Nederland will win tonight's game: 1. They have to! 2. Nothing like a 3-way tie to add suspense to this district. Most other 4-A districts have clear winners at this time. 3. Central has become a cocky team with a few cocky players 4. Read #1 again...They have to in order for Honest Abe to keep flying those "past" accomplishments on his posts---at this time seems to be fading fast 8) [/quote] 1.  ...and we don't 'have to'? 2. There's already suspense in the district...  Who will get the 4th spot... ;) 3.Lol.  Very funny...  Every team have cocky players...  So Does Nederland.  Lol.  Last I seen, Nederland is a good team as we'll.  Lol 4.  You are a messy guy.  You've mastered the art of not letting the dust settle... ;D ;D [/quote] OMG!! I don't think I really need to expound on your statements for Nederland fans..... Surely they see what you are really saying about this game... :o [/quote] LOL... basically saying that Nederland dont have a chance, right? But we better watch it Nash will find a way to turn this into HJ  post [/quote]Nederland ain't got a chance tonight! Whats that old documentary called? Oh, its called Hoop Dreams. Thats what Nederland have; Hoop Dreams :D

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1364659" timestamp="1358519185"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108307.msg1364640#msg1364640 date=1358516976] Why Nederland will win tonight's game: 1. They have to! 2. Nothing like a 3-way tie to add suspense to this district. Most other 4-A districts have clear winners at this time. 3. Central has become a cocky team with a few cocky players 4. Read #1 again...They have to in order for Honest Abe to keep flying those "past" accomplishments on his posts---at this time seems to be fading fast 8) [/quote] 1.  ...and we don't 'have to'? 2. There's already suspense in the district...  Who will get the 4th spot... ;) 3.Lol.  Very funny...  Every team have cocky players...  So Does Nederland.  Lol.  Last I seen, Nederland is a good team as we'll.  Lol 4.  You are a messy guy.  You've mastered the art of not letting the dust settle... ;D ;D [/quote] OMG!! I don't think I really need to expound on your statements for Nederland fans..... Surely they see what you are really saying about this game... :o

Why Nederland will win tonight's game: 1. They have to! 2. Nothing like a 3-way tie to add suspense to this district. Most other 4-A districts have clear winners at this time. 3. Central has become a cocky team with a few cocky players 4. Read #1 again...They have to in order for Honest Abe to keep flying those "past" accomplishments on his posts---at this time seems to be fading fast 8)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1364524" timestamp="1358458984"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108307.msg1364521#msg1364521 date=1358458562] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108307.msg1364499#msg1364499 date=1358454951] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108307.msg1364477#msg1364477 date=1358451634] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108307.msg1364424#msg1364424 date=1358444248] Whatever we do, if we jump out to an early lead, we need to keep the foot on the throttle.  Nederland is NOT the team you want to jack around with (see Ozen_Nederland game).  Keep it up tempo and keep the pressure on them and keep their crowd out of it! [/quote] In other words: "Yeah , we will jump out and take an early lead and keep the pressure on. We're not going to jack around with Nederland. WE're going to lay the pipe."  ;) [/quote] [/quote]I think Nederland's schedule been tougher [/quote] Then, if Nederland doesnt win, the schedule doesnt mean as much as 'some" believe? [/quote]And if Nederland wins???

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1364499" timestamp="1358454951"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108307.msg1364477#msg1364477 date=1358451634] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108307.msg1364424#msg1364424 date=1358444248] Whatever we do, if we jump out to an early lead, we need to keep the foot on the throttle.  Nederland is NOT the team you want to jack around with (see Ozen_Nederland game).  Keep it up tempo and keep the pressure on them and keep their crowd out of it! [/quote] In other words: "Yeah , we will jump out and take an early lead and keep the pressure on. We're not going to jack around with Nederland. WE're going to lay the pipe."  ;) [/quote] Dove- Have you analyzed which of these teams has had the tougher schedule?  Isnt that the most accurate predictor of who wins? [/quote]I think Nederland's schedule been tougher

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1364496" timestamp="1358454267"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108251.msg1364478#msg1364478 date=1358451760] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108251.msg1364463#msg1364463 date=1358450187] Since HJ has played PNG just like Ozen has, what does that say about the schedule?  Does is say that Ozen plays the same weak schools that HJ plays or does it say HJ plays the same strong school Ozen plays? [/quote]PN-G is district. You chose to play Spurger and Big Sandy  ;D [/quote] Hmm- I saw Tatum, Kountze,  Nederland, Central,and Longview on our schedule but I didnt see Spurger and Big Sandy.  I usually dont miss many games.  How did we do against those two teams? [/quote] Those were the only small schools I could think of at the time.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1364483" timestamp="1358452298"] Disagree. When u belittle the schedule u r effectively belittling the approach to the game(s) of the coach.  He quite simply knows more about what schedule best suits his team than u do [/quote]Nothing to be ashamed of Nash, major D-1's do it all the time. A win is a win.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1364457" timestamp="1358449326"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108282.msg1364350#msg1364350 date=1358434841] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108282.msg1364345#msg1364345 date=1358433648] Last year speaks volumes.  Mr Sutherland has an EXTREMELY distinguished coaching resume at several different schools and until one has similar credentials, one looks a little foolish suggesting they know better methods than he does. [/quote]Nash, you know Freeze1914 is correct.  Nash, repeat after me several times, "HJ's program is not perfect."  :D [/quote] Ok Dove- as per your instructions " HJ's program is not perfect"  Now please reciprocate by repeating after me;  " If a team is competitive and successful on a yearly basis, you cant "talk" that success away"  And I am still one who believes Mr. Sutherland has more high school coaching knowledge/experience than Freeze and Da Dove combined. [/quote]  Yes, and because of your weak schedule, you are successful ::)