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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1230140" timestamp="1339525792"] AAU is the DEVIL!! >:(..... ;D [/quote]LOL!  A runaway [s]devil [/s]...errrrr entity

Thank God, we don't play AAU anymore:)  Just summer ball now.  Heard about this some time ago.

[quote name="falconfanatic" post="1229937" timestamp="1339448233"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100318.msg1229935#msg1229935 date=1339447246] I was reading in the paper yesterday how the high school rodeo guys win prize money in their competitions AND ALLOWED TO KEEP IT!!  ;) tHINGS THAT MAKE YOU ...HMMM? [/quote] Rodeo is not a uil sport so the uil rules do not apply to them. It's the same thing as an AG student selling thier animal or an art student winning prize money for thier work. [/quote] You are absolutely correct. And the AG example was right on time ;) Make you wonder why some things are the way they are  ;)

I was reading in the paper yesterday how the high school rodeo guys win prize money in their competitions AND ALLOWED TO KEEP IT!!  ;) tHINGS THAT MAKE YOU ...HMMM?

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1229886" timestamp="1339434534"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100318.msg1229885#msg1229885 date=1339434125] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1229884#msg1229884 date=1339433912] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100318.msg1229883#msg1229883 date=1339432978] Yes, Rodney Saveat did that.  And I firmly believe he was telling the honest to God truth. Is he unreal, too? [/quote] No, just some of you on here...Ridiculous to even SUGGEST that the kid in question did not transfer to HJ to play basketball...And the sad thing is YOU KNOW IT TOO.. :o [/quote] It's funny that you "know" about that( hj transfer) but you dont seem to "know" about the 41 applicants whom you believe "might" be coming to Yates for communications.  You look pretty silly here D.V. [/quote] No I look like I am calling it as it IS, unlike you who wants HJ to continue to be perceived as the "purest" program in the UIL....Thats ridiculous...People know who I am, and its not silly to call it as it is...That kid transferred to HJ to play basketball..Its just that simple.  The 41 kids that are transfering to Yates, we j=have no idea who they are and why they are coming..You people with your "mob mentality" has turned it into a crusade to discredit Yates...I hope they play your HJ team next year and beat the brakes off of them!...What will you say then? they had 41 transfers that all came on the Yates varsity in 2012-13? You people are something else... ::) [/quote] ;D

[quote name="team first" post="1229860" timestamp="1339430145"] Could have gone to west b, or ozen for a better education. Dickie v you don't even believe that yourself [/quote]Thats funny! Ozen ain't perfect but they have some good teachers over there and dedicated to teaching the kids. Granted, there are some over there who don't want to learn. Maybe thats what you're referring to.....?

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1229820" timestamp="1339421841"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100318.msg1229817#msg1229817 date=1339421253] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100318.msg1229812#msg1229812 date=1339419586] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100318.msg1229806#msg1229806 date=1339417920] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100318.msg1229799#msg1229799 date=1339386871] Wise coached kids that ended up play for Yates.. Saw him coaching his team, Houston Select or Elite, I forget which one is was during last year's GMI in Humble.. He roams around the AAU circuit in Houston and talks to players.. But like I said earlier, Wise knows he cant use transfered players on Varsity the first year, so he follows the rule book.. But Yates is like a junior college.. take most of the local talent and put them on a squad.. Dickie V, I admire you staying loyal to your friend, but he has followed the path to ruining high school basketball in Texas [/quote]Yes, Wise is very active on the summer ball circuit. Wise does not coach his players, its against the rules. [color=red]What you might (maybe seen) (dreamed it)[/color] have seen is a kid who played with Select, attended a different high school and maybe transferred to Yates. Nothing illegal about this. You have NCAA coaches coaching high school players...hmmmm? But back to Yates. The program sells itself. ESPN, PLAYING NATIONALLY RANKED TEAMS, ETC.ETC. BAH-HHH [/quote] And therefore, since the program is successful, whatever they do should never be questioned. [/quote] Wise's program been questioned & investigated. I would not be surprised if the CIA, FBI, The National Alliance, and other groups. Yates has survived it all. Now, my only worry is when Yates beats HJ (IF THEY MAKE IT THAT FAR)  by 60 points! Yates may not survive the onslaught/pressures from this win and may have to discontinue the program.  8) [/quote] Why would you say that?  How could a lowly program from a hick town near Beaumont have any effect on the greatest and most integrity laden program in the country? [/quote] And those are the things that make you go....hmmmmmm....is HOW?  ;D

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1229812" timestamp="1339419586"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100318.msg1229806#msg1229806 date=1339417920] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100318.msg1229799#msg1229799 date=1339386871] Wise coached kids that ended up play for Yates.. Saw him coaching his team, Houston Select or Elite, I forget which one is was during last year's GMI in Humble.. He roams around the AAU circuit in Houston and talks to players.. But like I said earlier, Wise knows he cant use transfered players on Varsity the first year, so he follows the rule book.. But Yates is like a junior college.. take most of the local talent and put them on a squad.. Dickie V, I admire you staying loyal to your friend, but he has followed the path to ruining high school basketball in Texas [/quote]Yes, Wise is very active on the summer ball circuit. Wise does not coach his players, its against the rules. [color=red]What you might (maybe seen) (dreamed it)[/color] have seen is a kid who played with Select, attended a different high school and maybe transferred to Yates. Nothing illegal about this. You have NCAA coaches coaching high school players...hmmmm? But back to Yates. The program sells itself. ESPN, PLAYING NATIONALLY RANKED TEAMS, ETC.ETC. BAH-HHH [/quote] And therefore, since the program is successful, whatever they do should never be questioned. [/quote] Wise's program been questioned & investigated. I would not be surprised if the CIA, FBI, The National Alliance, and other groups. Yates has survived it all. Now, my only worry is when Yates beats HJ (IF THEY MAKE IT THAT FAR)  by 60 points! Yates may not survive the onslaught/pressures from this win and may have to discontinue the program.  8)

[quote name="dogs1218" post="1229799" timestamp="1339386871"] Wise coached kids that ended up play for Yates.. Saw him coaching his team, Houston Select or Elite, I forget which one is was during last year's GMI in Humble.. He roams around the AAU circuit in Houston and talks to players.. But like I said earlier, Wise knows he cant use transfered players on Varsity the first year, so he follows the rule book.. But Yates is like a junior college.. take most of the local talent and put them on a squad.. Dickie V, I admire you staying loyal to your friend, but he has followed the path to ruining high school basketball in Texas [/quote]Yes, Wise is very active on the summer ball circuit. Wise does not coach his players, its against the rules. [color=red]What you might (maybe seen) (dreamed it)[/color] have seen is a kid who played with Select, attended a different high school and maybe transferred to Yates. Nothing illegal about this. You have NCAA coaches coaching high school players...hmmmm? But back to Yates. The program sells itself. ESPN, PLAYING NATIONALLY RANKED TEAMS, ETC.ETC. BAH-HHH

Dickie hates AAU ;D I love to rub it in sometimes when I use to see him in Houston on the circuit. Guys, blame the NCAA. All the NCAA has to do is shut down the Spring and Summer open college coaches evaluation periods.  Thats the time when all the major D1 coaches are herded into gyms and watch their favorite players. But guess what, it ain't happening anytime soon fellas. VCU ,Baylor, Kentucky, etc.are saving monies by looking at the kids they want under one roof. Complain to the NCAA- their more guilty than AAU. AAU had their national tourney dates set for 2012. Bam, NCAA scheduled new dates for their open evaluation period. AAU Nationals got kinda stuck out this year. But Nike, Under Armour, & Adidas were able to get their schedules in line with the new NCAA schedules....hmmmm! High schools?  :-X :-X

I personally know the owner at Triple A Academy near the Dallas area. he has a charter school and built a powerful 2015 team. He broke up the team the beginning of this season, but still has the charter school. he has a legit program.

[quote name="Team Game" post="1229792" timestamp="1339383984"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1229778#msg1229778 date=1339381474] [quote author=east texas bb link=topic=100318.msg1229776#msg1229776 date=1339380790] Kountzer, you are correct.  High school basketball is losing all of the purity that it has, the charter and magnet schools and UIL and TEA not being able to be on the same page have allowed the AAU "characters" to come in a start a school around a group of kids or for a coach to pretty much say open campus. There is not purity in HS basketball and it will lose its allure as it has already done for some people that use to like high school hoops, and like most things I suspect it will run a cycle and something will happen in a few years to curve the way it is done now because you could easliy put an asterick by many of the State Championships as it has been the last 3-7 years.  High School coaches are worried about the purity of basketball in this state, which cause alot of quality coaches to leave or wait until the UIL finally does something.  Most know about Yates and Kimball, Triple A Academy, these places do not know what they are doing to High School basketball.  They will end up ruining basketball, when basketball was finally gaining a foot hold on football in this State.  [/quote] Once again, as many others have done before you, you're speaking about something you do not know.  As far as Yates goes they are getting a very unfair shake here...People have tried to prove wrong doing, but to no avail, yet they are convicted of cheating in the court of public opinion.  I DESPISE what the AAU has done to influence high school athletics. It will run its course as you said, but its just not fair to finger schools and programs that have not done anything illegal.  I know the Yates head coach very well...Heck he is like family to us...Do any of you know how and why Wise got involved with AAU? HIS SONS...His oldest son, Nic, asked him to be their coach when he was a 9 year old playing for the Houston Hoops...He agreed, coached them, then became a summer fixture with the Hoops, but he never coached ANY YATES PLAYERS in the summer...not one...Yet he has been accused time and again of recruiting...Its just not accurate, and its not fair. [/quote] Question: Did any of the players he coach in AAU eventually play for Yates? If the answer is yes, how many? [/quote] Nope! he coaches high school players in summer ball. I thought there was one but Wise didn't coach him,but they were all under the same organization.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1229661" timestamp="1339328082"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100336.msg1229651#msg1229651 date=1339303967] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1229644#msg1229644 date=1339299358] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100336.msg1229640#msg1229640 date=1339296431] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1229562#msg1229562 date=1339269001] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100336.msg1229525#msg1229525 date=1339247425] Ah, unlike suburban schools who don't cater to the lower socio-eco students, principals who have no choice but to take in troublesome students (somebody has to teach them) and mix them in with students who want to learn, I think should get principal of the year. More challenging. See, a low performing school does not mean students are not learning, it means those schools deal with issues suburban schools don't have to deal with. Kids at Yates are learning but the negative news outweighs the good. [/quote] Dove- Permit me to also suggest to you that the HJ school district has a percentage of students on the free lunch program that would rival the percentage at PA Memorial. [/quote]I'm well aware of the lunch program in public schools.If dad has a bad crop from the rice fields last year, well that family is eligible for....... [/quote] Maybe Dove believes only second and third generation welfare families are deserving of assistance.  After all, the rice farmer was gainfully employed and trying to support himself.  INterestingly enough, Dove recently was taking up for lawyers who didnt have enough business to pay their rent but he looks down upon rice farmers.  Now if it was a single mom who was encouraged by other family members to get pregnant again so she could support the family, it would be much more important to preserve her "self esteem" than to give assistance to a lowly rice farmer. [/quote]Nothing against rice farmers. Just wanted to get it out there that its beyond welfare mothers on the food program at schools like HJ. [/quote] You may have missed the original point.  The words " free lunch program" was shortspeak for economically disadvantaged.  Those types of programs do not discriminate between farmers who had a bad rice crop, second/third generation welfare mothers, incompetent pimps, or drug dealers having a hard time or people who actually cant/won't find a job.  It all comes down to the fact that there are economic hardships everywhere and an economic hardship is just as difficult for a resident of Cinco Ranch school district as it is to someone in inner city Houston. [/quote]I understand completely. I was making sure it was brought out on the board for the narrow-minded thinkers.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1229644" timestamp="1339299358"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100336.msg1229640#msg1229640 date=1339296431] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1229562#msg1229562 date=1339269001] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100336.msg1229525#msg1229525 date=1339247425] Ah, unlike suburban schools who don't cater to the lower socio-eco students, principals who have no choice but to take in troublesome students (somebody has to teach them) and mix them in with students who want to learn, I think should get principal of the year. More challenging. See, a low performing school does not mean students are not learning, it means those schools deal with issues suburban schools don't have to deal with. Kids at Yates are learning but the negative news outweighs the good. [/quote] Dove- Permit me to also suggest to you that the HJ school district has a percentage of students on the free lunch program that would rival the percentage at PA Memorial. [/quote]I'm well aware of the lunch program in public schools.If dad has a bad crop from the rice fields last year, well that family is eligible for....... [/quote] Maybe Dove believes only second and third generation welfare families are deserving of assistance.  After all, the rice farmer was gainfully employed and trying to support himself.  INterestingly enough, Dove recently was taking up for lawyers who didnt have enough business to pay their rent but he looks down upon rice farmers.  Now if it was a single mom who was encouraged by other family members to get pregnant again so she could support the family, it would be much more important to preserve her "self esteem" than to give assistance to a lowly rice farmer. [/quote]Nothing against rice farmers. Just wanted to get it out there that its beyond welfare mothers on the food program at schools like HJ.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1229562" timestamp="1339269001"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100336.msg1229525#msg1229525 date=1339247425] Ah, unlike suburban schools who don't cater to the lower socio-eco students, principals who have no choice but to take in troublesome students (somebody has to teach them) and mix them in with students who want to learn, I think should get principal of the year. More challenging. See, a low performing school does not mean students are not learning, it means those schools deal with issues suburban schools don't have to deal with. Kids at Yates are learning but the negative news outweighs the good. [/quote] Dove- Permit me to also suggest to you that the HJ school district has a percentage of students on the free lunch program that would rival the percentage at PA Memorial. [/quote]I'm well aware of the lunch program in public schools.If dad has a bad crop from the rice fields last year, well that family is eligible for.......

Excellent movie!

Ah, unlike suburban schools who don't cater to the lower socio-eco students, principals who have no choice but to take in troublesome students (somebody has to teach them) and mix them in with students who want to learn, I think should get principal of the year. More challenging. See, a low performing school does not mean students are not learning, it means those schools deal with issues suburban schools don't have to deal with. Kids at Yates are learning but the negative news outweighs the good.

[quote name="no-look" post="1229273" timestamp="1339113051"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100351.msg1229126#msg1229126 date=1339073442] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100351.msg1229111#msg1229111 date=1339041198] I dont like posting about this Yates situation but some people's comments on here are just retarded.. Does anyone honestly think a team from this area could beat Yates next year? [/quote]Deep down they know they have no chance but they're trying to "Keep Hope Alive." [/quote] Andy Duresne: Hope is a good thing Red. [/quote] Andy Duresne:  Yeah. The funny thing is - on the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow. I had to come to prison to be a crook.  ;D

As evidenced by some teams, weak schedule and luck will get you further than talent  ;D

[quote name="dogs1218" post="1229111" timestamp="1339041198"] I dont like posting about this Yates situation but some people's comments on here are just retarded.. Does anyone honestly think a team from this area could beat Yates next year? [/quote]Deep down they know they have no chance but they're trying to "Keep Hope Alive."

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1229089" timestamp="1339030659"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100351.msg1229087#msg1229087 date=1339029812] Always good to have hope in potential bad times. [/quote] Teams still playing at this point  OBVIOUSLY have something more than hope. [/quote]Yep, a weak schedule/draw and luck  ;D

Always good to have hope in potential bad times.

[quote name="lamar73!" post="1228951" timestamp="1338995753"] Dove or DV my question never got answered just a rhetorical joke was made..  Does Wise win consistantly and a District Champ. at HF, OF or I'll even throw WO-S in the mix?  Those 3 teams seem to be on the bubble each yr for the 3rd spot in the 21-3a. [/quote] YES!

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1228935" timestamp="1338990595"] I think they will split both games next year, coin flip and HJ will win district. Silsbee vs Yates for a trip to state with the Lions beating the Tigers by 16. Silsbee doesn't have enough size to play Yates! [/quote]And from what I keep hearing, HJ will be small(er) too  ;D

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1228916" timestamp="1338983693"] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228887#msg1228887 date=1338950926] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228884#msg1228884 date=1338950612] The four players mentioned earlier by westend have already sat out their year and played varsity last season. Those are the players I was speaking about. I have no knowledge of any player on the Yates JV from last season. [/quote] Their JV was loaded.. Could have made it to regionals as a varsity team [/quote] Isn't that amazing?  That school (just coincidentally, of course) manages to keep turning out the top JV and Varsity programs in the state and with all "homegrown" players- quite an accomplishment) Most schools have their good years and bad years but not at Yates. [/quote] I already heard a top 8th grader wants to attend Yates. Build and they shall follow.