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[quote name="True Blue" post="1197675" timestamp="1331831350"] [quote author=Lt. Dangle link=topic=97235.msg1197537#msg1197537 date=1331819221] [quote author=True Blue link=topic=97235.msg1197418#msg1197418 date=1331776988] Steve I would love to take your $$$ but I would never bet against a KID getting help to go to school... Like I said I wish him alll the luck in the world, But I have seen him play, and I saw DC, and some of the other kids that were as good last yr, And none of them are playing D1 now. But there is nothing wrong with going the Jr Co route [/quote] The phrase " JuCo route " is a bit misleading. IMO - it leads one to believe that it is a stop along the way to a D-1 career when (and I would gladly entertain 3-1 odds on this) in fact maybe 1 out of 100 (1%)of the kids who do play JuCo never get a shot @ moving up to a D-1 scholarship. [/quote] Ok so your saying that only 1% of the kids that play Jr Co go on to play D1. So what do you think the % of kid that come from high school even make the Jr Co teams. Out of all the kids from the local area I know of only 4 from last yr teams. I dont follow the bigger 5a teams so I might have mised some. But 4 from the whole area is a very low % I would think [/quote] Ding! Ding! And the prize goes to TB for his brief summation on why many local kids are not getting the opportunity play ball in college these last few years. new thread?

[quote name="NorthoftheBorder" post="1197635" timestamp="1331826793"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=97393.msg1197625#msg1197625 date=1331826248] Vermont was a better [b]team[/b] ;) [/quote] Vermont played solid team basketball with a lot of energy, seemed like they wanted more and LU reverted back to one on one basketball for most of the game.  Standing around on offense and really didn't have the energy or enthusiasm.  I was concerned with Roccaforte being there they would revert back. [/quote]And how about the refs. They fouled out a leading scorer too ;)

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1197630" timestamp="1331826363"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=97393.msg1197625#msg1197625 date=1331826248] Vermont was a better team ;) [/quote] Stole my thunder!! 8) [/quote] ;D

Vermont was a better team ;)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1197605" timestamp="1331825564"] You bring up another interesting issue in Vermont, Dove.  In the contest last night, would you( you too DV) say that intellect or athleticism prevailed?  Please, no spin, just an honest appraisal. [/quote] LOL! Nash, I couldn't enjoy the game last night knowing you would bring this up. LOL! Here is my answer! I think Vermont played a very smart game and hustled their tails off against a seemingly more athletic team in Lamar. We will discuss this further when and if Vermont meets South Flordia and when S.F. beats Vermont.

[quote name="Pumper" post="1197588" timestamp="1331824476"] How would we classify Lamar?  Mid D-1?  Low D-1?  It's a matter of opinion, but they did make the tournament. Their point guard is 6'1"", 2-guard is 6'1", and believe it or not their best rebounder was 6'2" and played a forward. Another example, though they were not good this year.  LSU's point guard was 5'11" and a sometimes starter at 2 was 5'9". A typical Southland conference off guard is about 6'2".  I'm sure that they would love to have bigger kids, but at that level a 6'3" kid playing the 2 or 3 position will fit right in. Doubt you'll find many point guards his size at schools like that. [/quote]Mid-D1. A 6'3" pg guard would be a blessing but definitely not necessary. My 6'3" comparison was only in relation to the player at HJ and whether or not he can play the point. It would just be an added addition to his resume if he can. You can get away with smaller size in Southland. Even Vermont took a little advantage last night  ;)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1197568" timestamp="1331822498"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=97235.msg1197564#msg1197564 date=1331822155] [quote author=Pumper link=topic=97235.msg1197536#msg1197536 date=1331818904] One correction to an earlier point; it is true that most of the major D-1's already have signed who they want by this time.  Consequently the mid-majors and low D-1's often have to wait and see who is left after the big boys sign their kids.  It is not uncommon at all for a kid to get a full ride scholarship this time of year, it will just probably be from a mid or low D-1 school.  And on the juco comments earlier, absolutely there is nothing wrong with [b]ANY[/b] college scholarship or opportunity.  However, Prudhomme will have several D-1 choices from what I understand.  Stallworth was a great player, but he was a tweener.  He basically played post in HS at 6'4".  Prudhomme is a little over 6'3" and plays guard.  To borrow one of DV's favorite phrases, it's "apples & oranges". [/quote]Can Shawn run point? [/quote] I wouldnt think so but, then again, I learned a long time ago that my opinion (and yours, for that matter) do not have much bearing on  how a college might perceive a potential player.  I can only tell you that he has three sincere interests from D-1 at the moment and I repeat, if you dont think any of it will materialize, just tell me how much you want to invest in your "guaranteed" 300% return. [/quote] I've never said nor hinted that he would not play college ball. I think he will. My question was a legit question. Can he run point? At 6'3", thats a good size for a point guard in college.

[quote name="Pumper" post="1197536" timestamp="1331818904"] One correction to an earlier point; it is true that most of the major D-1's already have signed who they want by this time.  Consequently the mid-majors and low D-1's often have to wait and see who is left after the big boys sign their kids.  It is not uncommon at all for a kid to get a full ride scholarship this time of year, it will just probably be from a mid or low D-1 school.  And on the juco comments earlier, absolutely there is nothing wrong with [b]ANY[/b] college scholarship or opportunity.  However, Prudhomme will have several D-1 choices from what I understand.  Stallworth was a great player, but he was a tweener.  He basically played post in HS at 6'4".  Prudhomme is a little over 6'3" and plays guard.  To borrow one of DV's favorite phrases, it's "apples & oranges". [/quote]Can Shawn run point?

[quote name="Pumper" post="1197536" timestamp="1331818904"] One correction to an earlier point; it is true that most of the major D-1's already have signed who they want by this time.  Consequently the mid-majors and low D-1's often have to wait and see who is left after the big boys sign their kids.  It is not uncommon at all for a kid to get a full ride scholarship this time of year, it will just probably be from a mid or low D-1 school.  And on the juco comments earlier, absolutely there is nothing wrong with [b]ANY[/b] college scholarship or opportunity.  However, Prudhomme will have several D-1 choices from what I understand.  Stallworth was a great player, but he was a tweener.  He basically played post in HS at 6'4".  Prudhomme is a little over 6'3" and plays guard.  To borrow one of DV's favorite phrases, it's "apples & oranges". [/quote]Ahhhh! Pumper is getting close to the problem as to what I'm getting at.........tweener ;) #2: And yes there are a [color=red]few openings[/color] at mids and low d1's. Question? How many does Lamar currently have available? I rest my case

[quote name="dawg13" post="1197515" timestamp="1331814275"] Tell the kid try out for football. :'( :'( :'( :'( 8) [/quote] ;D ;D

[quote name="stevenash" post="1197426" timestamp="1331777737"] He won't need luck-I am pretty confident that he will get a d-1 scholarship- it won't be too long till I am proven wrong or right [/quote]I'm sure he will play ball in college. No question about it. But True Blue referenced a legit point. Either its being ignored, swept under a rug, or some of us are blind to whats going on.

Also, most major schools have the  kids they want by now. And its so late in the year, most kids are getting financial aid and not scholarships. ............. :-X

[quote name="stevenash" post="1197328" timestamp="1331767043"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=97235.msg1197254#msg1197254 date=1331758837] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=97235.msg1197248#msg1197248 date=1331758003] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=97235.msg1197001#msg1197001 date=1331688906] Donahoe was decent but NOT D1 good. He didn't have the skill set of Brown. Saw each play a lot in high school. [/quote].      Decent?  Decent enough to be 3-a player of the year?  Decent enough to be tourney MVP in Austin when he won a 3-a ring?  Tell me what brown had in his skill set that Donahoe didn't because I saw them both play many more games than u did. [/quote] Nash, and  with all those accolades, why is it that those *particular schools* never show up in Sour Lake?      [/quote]. Donahoe declined the offer in the hj gym.  Dove I know how closely attuned u r to local basketball but I am reasonably confident u haven't the foggiest idea of who visits the gym .  Prudhomme was observed by several coaches during the playoffs who made specific trips to watch him [/quote] Not really about who visited the gym Nash. Thats not he point. Its who gets the *firm* offer. You had a kid to get an offer but was waiting for .......need I finish? Nope. You know the history and his handler ;)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1197248" timestamp="1331758003"] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=97235.msg1197001#msg1197001 date=1331688906] Donahoe was decent but NOT D1 good. He didn't have the skill set of Brown. Saw each play a lot in high school. [/quote].      Decent?  Decent enough to be 3-a player of the year?  Decent enough to be tourney MVP in Austin when he won a 3-a ring?  Tell me what brown had in his skill set that Donahoe didn't because I saw them both play many more games than u did. [/quote] Nash, and  with all those accolades, why is it that those *particular schools* never show up in Sour Lake?

[quote name="ABSENT!" post="1197233" timestamp="1331755079"] Richard played most recently at Team Rio de Janeiro (Eurobasket) in the U.S. While playing 3 games for Rio de Janeiro last season he recorded 19.7ppg, 8.3rpg, 6.3apg, 2.3spg and 1.7bpg. [/quote]Also heard he was a good student at Ozen and Tulane  ;)

[quote name="ABSENT!" post="1197230" timestamp="1331754818"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=97235.msg1196673#msg1196673 date=1331658584] Would it be safe to say J. Brown is really the only major talent from this area in the last 5 years? [/quote] Kris Richards was up there too... Three year starter at Tulane [/quote]Never seen Kris play other than in pick up games, but I would have to agree with you based on what he has accomplished at Tulane.

[quote name="Kountzer" post="1197054" timestamp="1331722077"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=97275.msg1196572#msg1196572 date=1331646839] [quote author=Kountzer link=topic=97275.msg1196452#msg1196452 date=1331607753] ..especially after the way Kimball did Silsbee in the tournament. [/quote]Kimball may not have the same stars next year. Frazier kid, just rumors but he may be headed to another school. Just rumors right now. [/quote] prolly Oak Hill Academy.. [/quote]yep, thats the rumors I heard too.

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1197001" timestamp="1331688906"] Donahoe was decent but NOT D1 good. He didn't have the skill set of Brown. Saw each play a lot in high school. [/quote]I saw him play as well. Good point.

[quote name="D WADE" post="1196814" timestamp="1331671581"] Not me personally I played way before aau was even thought about.  I have just seen this happen far to many times. And your point about getting in the senior showcase how many major colleges are still looking for a guy usually kids at that level have been being looked at by their  junior yr [/quote]Maybe a few JUCO's, D-2's, etc.

[quote name="D WADE" post="1196788" timestamp="1331666943"] Dove I agree to a certain extent. Tell me this you've got a guy that goes to a small school that lives 45 min from the nearest town and his parents can't afford to drive him into town  for aau  practice but is easily good enough to be the best player on the team but can't play. Then you have a kid that goes to a big school that lives 5 min from the school where aau practice is being held. That's 1sounds disadvantage.  Another let's say the same two kids are playing on the same night and they are both equal in talent and size but the kid at the small school is playing in the middle of nowhere tx. And the other kid is playing for let's say yates against wheatley where do you think those college coaches are going?  And a 3rd disadvantage is the small school guy has a young head coach with no connections and an AD that hates basketball and just wants football year around. And the big school guy has a head coach that has college coaches on speed dial. So you tell me which one has a better chance at going to a major D1. Now keep in mind im not saying the small school guy just scores as many points as the big school guy cause obviously the talent a small school guy plays against is alot weaker but im saying the small school guy if put in the same situation as the big school guy would have the exact same stats [/quote] Hmm? Sounds like you're speaking from a personal experience :D  I definitely see your points and hold truth. But the landscape has changed so much now. A small town kid, I would definitely get him in a showcase for unsigned seniors. They're in Central and WestTexas areas along with Houston and Dallas Metro areas.

[quote name="D WADE" post="1196719" timestamp="1331663069"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=97235.msg1196693#msg1196693 date=1331660949] [quote author=D WADE link=topic=97235.msg1196689#msg1196689 date=1331660623] I wouldn't say that He has been the only major talent out of this area but he is the only major talent from a big school to get the recognizion out of the area in the last 5 years. In my opinion Ryan Danahoe, Brandon Letsinger, or [b]Tramaine Thomas all were very equal to the talent level of J'covan but they all went to small schools.[/b] Before people bash me, im not saying they were better but IMO J'covan wasnt head and shoulders better than  those three. My point is if J'covan is good enough to be they best player at Texas than thesthree easily could have played at a D-1 school somewhere. [/quote] Tremain hardly went to a small school. He went to the University of Arkansas on a football scholarship and has been starting at safety the last two seasons. [/quote] I didn't mean he went to a small college I meant a small highschool. Letsinger also went to a big college he went to Texas A&M on a track scholarship, after turning down a scholarship to angelina jc for basketball and a small offer from SFA to play basket my point was if those 3 would have gone to 5A highschools they would have gotten a D1 offers [/quote]I am a firm believer that if you attend a small school (high school or college) with major talent, the bigger programs will hear about you one way or another.

[quote name="D WADE" post="1196689" timestamp="1331660623"] I wouldn't say that He has been the only major talent out of this area but he is the only major talent from a big school to get the recognizion out of the area in the last 5 years. In my opinion Ryan Danahoe, Brandon Letsinger, or Tramaine Thomas all were very equal to the talent level of J'covan but they all went to small schools. Before people bash me, im not saying they were better but IMO J'covan wasnt head and shoulders better than  those three. My point is if J'covan is good enough to be they best player at Texas than these three easily could have played at a D-1 school somewhere. [/quote]Basketball only! And I said MAJOR D1

[quote name="stevenash" post="1196697" timestamp="1331661129"] [quote author=D WADE link=topic=97235.msg1196689#msg1196689 date=1331660623] I wouldn't say that He has been the only major talent out of this area but he is the only major talent from a big school to get the recognizion out of the area in the last 5 years. In my opinion Ryan Danahoe, Brandon Letsinger, or Tramaine Thomas all were very equal to the talent level of J'covan but they all went to small schools. Before people bash me, im not saying they were better but IMO J'covan wasnt head and shoulders better than  those three. My point is if J'covan is good enough to be they best player at Texas than these three easily could have played at a D-1 school somewhere. [/quote] Very much agree.  Watched Donahoe and Brown play together in an all star game and there was little if any difference.  I am pretty sure that Donahoe would have been at a D-1 school ( I know of a legit offer he turned down) if he hadnt been influenced by an AAU guy. [/quote]Donahoe was not recruited by any major D1 schools, like Brown. Let the debates begin ;)

Would it be safe to say J. Brown is really the only major talent from this area in the last 5 years?

thanks