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[quote name="stevenash" post="1112546" timestamp="1321026066"] Careful there, Dove.  Somebody might think you have positive thoughts/feelings about HJ in spite of the fact that Sour Lake is short on ATMs. [/quote]After I saw COMPASS Bank had located in Sour LAKE, I began to look at Sour Lake in a sweeter flava.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1112548" timestamp="1321026179"] I know this stuff very well.  I once was selected as fourth runnerup in a little Dribblers Coach of the Year Contest and it is totally irrelevant that there were only four teams in my division.  Furthermore, I  have, over the past 15 years, confirmed that the "crowds" at those games were comprised mostly of individuals wanting to see how many techs I would get. [/quote]Hey, you still came in fourth place. Its all about perception and marketing ;)

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1112491" timestamp="1321023838"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=91016.msg1112463#msg1112463 date=1321022349] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=91016.msg1112426#msg1112426 date=1321020578] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=91016.msg1111202#msg1111202 date=1320956743] Mr. English is one of the top coaches in the area whether one wishes to acknowledge it or not.  As far as determining whether he, or anybody else is the best coach, there simply is NO WAY to quantify that.  You can argue all day about whether Coach K or Bobby Knight or Red Auerbach or Phil Jackson is the best coach and there is no way to reach an unarguable conclusion. [/quote]In other words you still feel Sutherland comes out on top ;D [/quote] THe point I was trying to convey is that it is impossible to pick the top.  My guess is that there are several in this area who are all valid contenders for that honor and that is about as close as you can get [/quote] Apparently some people cannot understand that point Nash, no matter how simple one tries to explain it.  :) [/quote] ;D 8)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1112463" timestamp="1321022349"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=91016.msg1112426#msg1112426 date=1321020578] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=91016.msg1111202#msg1111202 date=1320956743] Mr. English is one of the top coaches in the area whether one wishes to acknowledge it or not.  As far as determining whether he, or anybody else is the best coach, there simply is NO WAY to quantify that.  You can argue all day about whether Coach K or Bobby Knight or Red Auerbach or Phil Jackson is the best coach and there is no way to reach an unarguable conclusion. [/quote]In other words you still feel Sutherland comes out on top ;D [/quote] THe point I was trying to convey is that it is impossible to pick the top.  My guess is that there are several in this area who are all valid contenders for that honor and that is about as close as you can get [/quote]But in the end HJ is tops ;) This is what you get when you go to a tea party luncheon in Lake Charles and not invite me ;D

Scrimmage or not, it shows your weaknesses and possible stronger points. HJ looked like a veteran team out there. Yep , they made mistakes like everybody else, but you could see with more polishing they will be contenders to reach regional this year

[quote name="stevenash" post="1111202" timestamp="1320956743"] Mr. English is one of the top coaches in the area whether one wishes to acknowledge it or not.  As far as determining whether he, or anybody else is the best coach, there simply is NO WAY to quantify that.  You can argue all day about whether Coach K or Bobby Knight or Red Auerbach or Phil Jackson is the best coach and there is no way to reach an unarguable conclusion. [/quote]In other words you still feel Sutherland comes out on top ;D

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="1112114" timestamp="1320985075"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=91219.msg1111829#msg1111829 date=1320981320] [quote author=utfan06 link=topic=91219.msg1111815#msg1111815 date=1320981188] True blue I seriously doubt Kountze was the weakest team and this was just a scrimmage and 25 points ... we lost by 12... and scrimmages mean nothing starters play very little ... [/quote]I like Kountze's little point guard. Nice skill set. [/quote] I like him too Dove, when he gets hot from behind the arc he can be dangerous for other teams...And it was good to finally get to meet you.... [/quote]Same here Poppa. As you can see, I don't bite :D

And Ozen's JV beat Goodrich and Sheperd's varsity.

[quote name="utfan06" post="1111815" timestamp="1320981188"] True blue I seriously doubt Kountze was the weakest team and this was just a scrimmage and 25 points ... we lost by 12... and scrimmages mean nothing starters play very little ... [/quote]I like Kountze's little point guard. Nice skill set.

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1111722" timestamp="1320979233"] LMAO!!!!! Easy there Dove......Would love to see HJ and Ozen play with both teams at full strength!!!!  Hopefully if both teams make the playoffs ;) ;) we can get the two of them for a warm up game at the Montagne!!!!! [/quote]Montagne? Sounds good to me.  Hopefully Silsbee won't have a say so in this ;D

[quote name="bacbone9" post="1111428" timestamp="1320969846"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=85458.msg1110817#msg1110817 date=1320941871] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=85458.msg1110799#msg1110799 date=1320941233] The kid that transferred in from (school i will not name) can really shoot it,has quick hands and sees the floor very well. And he is only a junior. He the cousin of a Central player( Edward Garriet) that helped Central's 99 team to state and he shot the lights out. He is a overall better player than his cousin was. He will make a big difference for HJ  this year. [/quote]1914? hmmm? Charles I. Brown? [/quote] What you know about Charles I Brown? I learned about him Spr.03 [/quote] I started searching for Bro. Brown Spring ' 75. Zeta Zeta Chapter @ UH.

I told you guys Ozen team is young. But I want a recount on the HJ- Ozen game. I sure thought I saw LAZEEK slip some money to the HJ scorekeeper.  ;D

Which is like comparing Elvis to Justin Beaver (sp?)  ::) [quote name="Honest Abe" post="1111047" timestamp="1320951811"] Thanks! You validated my point for me. Silsbee has been good at basketball for more than 35 years. Between Vidor and Nederland, they have been to the playoffs for a combined 6 times during that span. English was the coach for 5 of those 6 years.  ;) [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=91016.msg1111034#msg1111034 date=1320951411] Since 1987 (last 25 years) Silsbee has only missed the basketball playoffs 3 times. They have not missed the playoffs since dropping down to 3A ('04-'05), currently on a 7 year run. If you go back further in Silsbee's history as a 4A team, they went to the state tourney 3 other times (5 total now) and made the playoffs every year from '82-86. In the '70's where only the district champion advanced, Silsbee only missed the playoffs '77. [/quote] [/quote]

[quote name="stevenash" post="1110914" timestamp="1320946053"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=91016.msg1110745#msg1110745 date=1320939141] As far as accomplishments, Travis Williams has done more than Brian English. Williams has coached teams to 5 regional tourneys, 3 regional finals, 2 state tourney appearances. 6 district championships (outright and co) in past 7 years. Also of note, Williams has the edge in head to head matchups with English. ;) Both are very fine coaches, but if you go off of accomplishments, Williams has accomplished more. [/quote] "accomplishments" is very much a relative term.  Some will say how far you get in the state tournament or how many times you won district is THE definition of accomplishment.  Somebody else might say what Mr. English has "accomplished" over his coaching career is pretty remarkable and I agree.  If one coach  has a constant stable full of athletes and gets to the regional or state tourney frequently, you could certainly say that is an accomplishment or you could say he is/was very fortunate to have such a collection of athletes or, perhaps, both.  If another coach turns a consistently losing team into a district champion without such a stable, it might be viewed as an equal or superior "accomplishment" [/quote]And HJ has been "superior."  ;D

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1110711" timestamp="1320938093"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=90821.msg1110710#msg1110710 date=1320938018] [quote author=robanadana link=topic=90821.msg1110506#msg1110506 date=1320900741] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=90821.msg1109913#msg1109913 date=1320847551] [quote author=robanadana link=topic=90821.msg1109800#msg1109800 date=1320814574] I believe my Pirates will do a little better than 7th in district.  We may surprise a few people once we get Montana Quirante back from football. Larry Sterling was a good promotion and long overdue. A lot of similaties between him and another young coach we hired a few years back by the name of English. Quinn was not a Jeff Mathews pick; that was one of the old school board decisions rearing its' ugly head. We'll see. [/quote]So,  Quirante is a Basketball player as well?  Hmmm..  Interesting. [/quote] Montana is an all around athlete.. [/quote]Did Vidor finally run out of those brothers who played ball there? One was on there last year and he was a guard. [/quote] Yep. The Williamsons are gone. [/quote]Yep, thats the name I was referring to

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1110740" timestamp="1320939009"] Only if your coaching at Yates [/quote] ;D ;D

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1110745" timestamp="1320939141"] As far as accomplishments, Travis Williams has done more than Brian English. Williams has coached teams to 5 regional tourneys, 3 regional finals, 2 state tourney appearances. 6 district championships (outright and co) in past 7 years. Also of note, Williams has the edge in head to head matchups with English. ;) Both are very fine coaches, but if you go off of accomplishments, Williams has accomplished more. [/quote]Okay Abe, now for your response because it looks like the teacher is teaching the student on this one ;)

[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1110799" timestamp="1320941233"] The kid that transferred in from (school i will not name) can really shoot it,has quick hands and sees the floor very well. And he is only a junior. He the cousin of a Central player( Edward Garriet) that helped Central's 99 team to state and he shot the lights out. He is a overall better player than his cousin was. He will make a big difference for HJ  this year. [/quote]1914? hmmm? Charles I. Brown?

[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1110786" timestamp="1320940808"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=85458.msg1022675#msg1022675 date=1309995927] [quote author=bacbone9 link=topic=85458.msg1022407#msg1022407 date=1309899177] HJ has a pg coming in from another school(that I won't name) that was just ranked the #1 pg in Adidas Camp in San Diego. [/quote]The kid can shoot. Just couldn't get any time @ Central. [/quote] exactly, now he was the #1 pg in adidas camp and he couldnt play varsity at central. tell me whats wrong with that picture [/quote] 1.  Kris. Smith  2. Maybe it was the system at Central.

[quote name="WILL I AM" post="1110726" timestamp="1320938654"] Trey Green, Jakobi Jones, Kourtney williams, Terran Vaughn, all have a good chance of starting when they are done with football. and i may be wrong but its about 4 more other guys on the football team who may get varsity minutes. Hj is usually know for its basketball team should be a good scrimmage. [/quote] Will be fun to watch this year.

[quote name="ST413" post="1110683" timestamp="1320936786"] I have heard that a little myself. That is the part about kids in larger schools. [/quote]Yeah, big city kids expect: 1. to play varsity as 9th graders 2. big city kids expect new tennis shoes every game 3. big city kids think they're the "man" on their team 4. big city kids get too much hype and they believe it 5. big city kids think they know more than the coach

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1110265" timestamp="1320884613"] [quote author=utfan06 link=topic=91016.msg1110219#msg1110219 date=1320882424] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=91016.msg1110123#msg1110123 date=1320877370] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=91016.msg1110116#msg1110116 date=1320877056] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=91016.msg1110108#msg1110108 date=1320876567] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=91016.msg1110104#msg1110104 date=1320876268] Has to put in more time to be considered with the top dogs. But he has done very well. [/quote] Okay Dove, then who are the top dogs in your opinion? [/quote]Active, inactive, etc I don't know much about the high school coaches in this area but I think there should be specific parameters such as longevity being one. I would certainly list the HJ coach, Kountze, PAM, hmmm? [/quote] Active coaches of course! HJ-ok. KOUNTZE-Ok. PAM-Why? What has he accomplished? Boutte Is not be coach there. Who else? [/quote] I'm pretty sure Travis Williams has accomplished alot... this will be his first year at PAM... but him, joubert,  and Sutherland [b]are all ahead [/b] of English [/quote] I think most would agree that these are all good coaches, but what makes one better than the next? Silsbee, HJ, and Kountze have all been good at basketball for 20 years plus, right? How long have these coaches been the HC at these schools? My argument is that English went in to Vidor and won! No disrespect, but Vidor (nor Nederland, PNG, LCM, BC, etc.) has never been considered a basketball powerhouse, and Vidor has not been good since he left. Not sure of any other coaches in the area who have turned around not just one, but two programs like he did. I'm not saying he is THE best, b/c there is no true way to compare coaches to say one is better than the next. However, I do believe he is amongst the top coaches in the area without a doubt! [/quote]Let me correct some thoughts from you: They still not powerhouses ;D

[quote name="robanadana" post="1110506" timestamp="1320900741"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=90821.msg1109913#msg1109913 date=1320847551] [quote author=robanadana link=topic=90821.msg1109800#msg1109800 date=1320814574] I believe my Pirates will do a little better than 7th in district.  We may surprise a few people once we get Montana Quirante back from football. Larry Sterling was a good promotion and long overdue. A lot of similaties between him and another young coach we hired a few years back by the name of English. Quinn was not a Jeff Mathews pick; that was one of the old school board decisions rearing its' ugly head. We'll see. [/quote]So,  Quirante is a Basketball player as well?  Hmmm..  Interesting. [/quote] Montana is an all around athlete.. [/quote]Did Vidor finally run out of those brothers who played ball there? One was on there last year and he was a guard.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1110388" timestamp="1320893598"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=90814.msg1110375#msg1110375 date=1320892127] I don't think Silsbee will go past 1st round [/quote] We will see. Ozen may be one and done as well. [/quote]Well the good thing I see coming out of this is the Nov. 29th date. No excuses. All players will be available. ;)

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1110640" timestamp="1320934704"] Dove you coming out there to HJ today???? [/quote] LAZEEK, will definitely be there to see varsity games. Holla at you guys from across the courts, but will meet you at concession for my complementary ????? from HJ boosters ;)