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[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="965339" timestamp="1297546328"] The question is, did this player who only played 1.5 quarters and ended up being the high scorer for HF get the majority of his points in what some call "garbage time" during the last half of the 4th? ;) That is what I was told. ;) [/quote]And I bet he text you and you both agreed to not start the HF starters in the 4th against HJ because HF might keep the score too close and there might be a slight justification to play his beloved seniors in their last game.

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="966988" timestamp="1297863652"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=80242.msg966952#msg966952 date=1297837377] An HJ player......here is how the sequence went down:  After HF scored a bucket a HF player pushed a HJ player in the back, the HJ player respond by pushing back......first tech called.  Then the two players (oe from HF and one from HJ bowed up to each other and 2nd tech called only on HJ player.  All happened within 5 seconds of each other.  It was all right in front of both benches.  Funny thing was that the HF players were laughing about it like it was planned or something.  Regardless the HJ player was removed from the game and from the gym.  He had to sit in locker room the rest of the game.  Was handled very poorly by officials IMO!!!! [/quote]How much time was left in the game when this happened? I mean, was it before the 3:38 when the coach "gave up", as others have indicated?  And if so, why did the coach give in with HJ's best player out? Or was it afterward, and this was a bench player that went out to start trouble? [/quote]Good question! It helps dig a deeper hole for the HF coach's action. The starters were in at the time

[quote name="hfmom08" post="966960" timestamp="1297855090"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=80242.msg966954#msg966954 date=1297837649] The real question should be why with 3:38 left in the game and trailing HJ by 15 did the HF coach unload the bench?  Gave up with 3:38 left in the game.....don't get that!!!! [/quote] NOW YOU FINALLY SEE THE LIGHT!!! LOL...this is what we've been talking about all season...you said the magic words "Gave up"...that's what this coach does.  He has been doing it all season and IMO if you're gonna do that you're not a coach.  3:38 is a lot of time and trailing by 15 is not a blow-out with that kind of time left.  My question to you is: What gave YOU (and anyone else who want to answer)the indication that he had given up?  I'm really interested to see the answers I get from this question. [/quote]Here is another question: Why is it that he did not start his main players at the beginning of the 4th period? Especially if he gave up on starters later in the 4th only to install "his" seniors to finish the 4th. ::)

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="966954" timestamp="1297837649"] The real question should be why with 3:38 left in the game and trailing HJ by 15 did the HF coach unload the bench?  Gave up with 3:38 left in the game.....don't get that!!!! [/quote]Ask Aggie. He probably told the coach to make that move

Just realized I'lll be cheering for the H$wks after tonight in post-season play. Hmm! Weird

PN-G in playoffs? If so, I keep saying miracles do happen.

:D

[quote name="dogs1218" post="966040" timestamp="1297722799"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80209.msg965796#msg965796 date=1297694237] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=80209.msg965754#msg965754 date=1297660725] This is the biggest part about the game. Period. Games are won and loss at the line, except in an completely embarrassing game. The first type of shot that should be taught to a kid is a free-throw. This way they can develop muscle-memory and perfect a stroke that gets the ball in the hoop. I agree that too many kids are worried about the pre-shot more than the actual mechanics. Top 3 things in basketball that win games: 1) Free-Throw Shooting (Makes) 2) Rebounding Difference 3) Turnover Difference [/quote]#1 is defense! This will take care of the top three you mentioned. [/quote] Doesnt out-rebounding the other team and forcing more tunrovers go along with Defense? Come on Dove ;) I know better than that [/quote]yeah! yeah! yeah! I'll give you that much  :P

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="966036" timestamp="1297722242"] I would be surprised if HF led for 3 minutes, much less 3 quarters!!!!! ;D ;D ;D [/quote] :D Okay HF, now you see what the opposing thoughts are about our team. Give me the ammunition HF players  to really DISCUSS our chances at half time. Lets go out on a winning note.

[quote name="stevenash" post="966035" timestamp="1297722102"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80242.msg966002#msg966002 date=1297719141] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=80242.msg965997#msg965997 date=1297718592] Three of the starters are underclassmen. [/quote]Good! Then we have a chance to get a big lead. Its just a matter of holding the lead for 3 qtrs. ;) [/quote] IF you get the lead for three quarters, HF will come out on top. [/quote] ???

[quote name="whsalum" post="966033" timestamp="1297721520"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80192.msg966000#msg966000 date=1297719052] [quote author=whsalum link=topic=80192.msg965996#msg965996 date=1297718557] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80192.msg965901#msg965901 date=1297709279] [quote author=whsalum link=topic=80192.msg965845#msg965845 date=1297701961] [quote author=Lt. Dangle link=topic=80192.msg965787#msg965787 date=1297692577] [quote author=whsalum link=topic=80192.msg965755#msg965755 date=1297660821] Did I miss something or did the UIL change the rules for transferring for athletic purposes?I know it happens but it really is a shame that kids would transfer from one public school to another because they didn't like the basketball coach. [/quote] That is the most circumvented rule in the entire UIL constitution!!!!! Everyone on here seems to blast officials for blowing calls every time their team loses, but you notice that the UIL never gets blasted for this one.... :o :o [/quote]The only reason most of these kids consider changing schools is the almighy "play at the next level" goal which is a pipe dream for probably 95% of these guys.When you let your kids do this they almost always become a a little fish in a big pond.Lt.Daigle most of the folks who come on here ,with the exception of a few old coaches, and blast the officials wouldn't know which end of the whistle to blow. [/quote]Actually, if you have a good skill you can play college ball somewhere ;) [/quote]Why the wink  Bluedove?? The "somewhere" is the key to the whole discussion.The kids that have a good skill are used to playing in front of pretty big crowds every Tuesday and Friday.They think by changing schools they will get the big time exposure and the D1 offers which is where the pipe dream comes in.You hear every year of kids signing to play at the next level with LaTeDa Tech  only to see them back home after one semester.If they want to leave their hometown school to play ball they need to be educated in real world college prospects. [/quote]Whoa! Wait a minute. I need to fully understand where you are coming from with this.  What is your definition of playing in front of big crowds on Tuesday and Friday nights? Nderland crowds or Fort Bend Bush crowds? [/quote]I 'm talking full houses regardless of the size of the venue.You used HJ as a light hearted jab but look at the situation seriously for a second.Ryan and Jarvis were great local players who play in a very small school in Kansas.They were 2 of the very best in SETX, the years they graduated,now imagine for a minute someone transferring over there to play with them.What kind of opportunity would have been there for for them ??Just something for parents to think about before they move just to get their kids in a certain school to play a sport. [/quote]Okay. I understand now where you're going. I agree! I f for example, I had kids and wanted to trasnfer for athletic purposes, you would want to scout the talent and the coach. But you better be a Big Dog. Kinda like wanting to go to UT as a freshman next year. Better make sure there is a fit for you.

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="965980" timestamp="1297717175"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80185.msg965969#msg965969 date=1297716334] [quote author=PoppaBearstarr link=topic=80185.msg965898#msg965898 date=1297708615] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80185.msg965825#msg965825 date=1297699461] Well, I guess it could be worse. Having a forum full of HJ supporters congratulating themselves for the next year ::) [/quote] :P Dove, The year isn't over for HJ.....I fully expect to get to play the Tigers again at regionals... [/quote] :( [/quote]Well, you see, Dove.  There's this thing called the play-offs..... and the teams that do well enough during the regular season get to continue playing basketball.  It's like a big tournament, where you get to play til you lose. Someday you might find out what it means.  ;) [/quote]I can take a good bashing any day. But this is really a low blow. I think I will go and lay down :(

[quote name="Riding Solo" post="966001" timestamp="1297719137"] [quote author=whsalum link=topic=80192.msg965996#msg965996 date=1297718557] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80192.msg965901#msg965901 date=1297709279] [quote author=whsalum link=topic=80192.msg965845#msg965845 date=1297701961] [quote author=Lt. Dangle link=topic=80192.msg965787#msg965787 date=1297692577] [quote author=whsalum link=topic=80192.msg965755#msg965755 date=1297660821] Did I miss something or did the UIL change the rules for transferring for athletic purposes?I know it happens but it really is a shame that kids would transfer from one public school to another because they didn't like the basketball coach. [/quote] That is the most circumvented rule in the entire UIL constitution!!!!! Everyone on here seems to blast officials for blowing calls every time their team loses, but you notice that the UIL never gets blasted for this one.... :o :o [/quote]The only reason most of these kids consider changing schools is the almighy "play at the next level" goal which is a pipe dream for probably 95% of these guys.When you let your kids do this they almost always become a a little fish in a big pond.Lt.Daigle most of the folks who come on here ,with the exception of a few old coaches, and blast the officials wouldn't know which end of the whistle to blow. [/quote]Actually, if you have a good skill you can play college ball somewhere ;) [/quote]Why the wink  Bluedove?? The "somewhere" is the key to the whole discussion.The kids that have a good skill are used to playing in front of pretty big crowds every Tuesday and Friday.They think by changing schools they will get the big time exposure and the D1 offers which is where the pipe dream comes in.You hear every year of kids signing to play at the next level with LaTeDa Tech  only to see them back home after one semester.If they want to leave their hometown school to play ball they need to be educated in real world college prospects. [/quote] Skill is in the eye of the beholder. Not saying that is the case with you dove but a lot of parents have on rose colored glasses.  I have to agree with whsalum, the percentage of the kids that go to the next level is very low. [/quote]I agree. The % is very low. But give me a kid with decent skills and he'll get a scholarship. Look at HJ players. Prime example :D  I couldn't help it HJ supporters. :D

[quote name="stevenash" post="965997" timestamp="1297718592"] Three of the starters are underclassmen. [/quote]Good! Then we have a chance to get a big lead. Its just a matter of holding the lead for 3 qtrs. ;)

[quote name="whsalum" post="965996" timestamp="1297718557"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80192.msg965901#msg965901 date=1297709279] [quote author=whsalum link=topic=80192.msg965845#msg965845 date=1297701961] [quote author=Lt. Dangle link=topic=80192.msg965787#msg965787 date=1297692577] [quote author=whsalum link=topic=80192.msg965755#msg965755 date=1297660821] Did I miss something or did the UIL change the rules for transferring for athletic purposes?I know it happens but it really is a shame that kids would transfer from one public school to another because they didn't like the basketball coach. [/quote] That is the most circumvented rule in the entire UIL constitution!!!!! Everyone on here seems to blast officials for blowing calls every time their team loses, but you notice that the UIL never gets blasted for this one.... :o :o [/quote]The only reason most of these kids consider changing schools is the almighy "play at the next level" goal which is a pipe dream for probably 95% of these guys.When you let your kids do this they almost always become a a little fish in a big pond.Lt.Daigle most of the folks who come on here ,with the exception of a few old coaches, and blast the officials wouldn't know which end of the whistle to blow. [/quote]Actually, if you have a good skill you can play college ball somewhere ;) [/quote]Why the wink  Bluedove?? The "somewhere" is the key to the whole discussion.The kids that have a good skill are used to playing in front of pretty big crowds every Tuesday and Friday.They think by changing schools they will get the big time exposure and the D1 offers which is where the pipe dream comes in.You hear every year of kids signing to play at the next level with LaTeDa Tech  only to see them back home after one semester.If they want to leave their hometown school to play ball they need to be educated in real world college prospects. [/quote]Whoa! Wait a minute. I need to fully understand where you are coming from with this.  What is your definition of playing in front of big crowds on Tuesday and Friday nights? Nderland crowds or Fort Bend Bush crowds?

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="965983" timestamp="1297717383"] Should be a good game, but Hawks at home and on Senior night......I will take the Hawks 68-49!!! [/quote]Wait a minute! It's Senior Night. Doesn't that mean the HJ seniors play for a quarter or two?

[quote name="stevenash" post="965986" timestamp="1297717788"] Dove- Meet me at the Bennigans or Steak n Ale in Sour Lake before game and I will buy your dinner. [/quote]I've eaten in Sour Lake b4. Ain't no Steak N Ale there. But I was wondering where Bennigans moved after closing in Beaumont. Bennigans is fine with me ;)

Okay back to the subject. HF can win this game by2 if they all play hard, hustle, play big, CRASH THE BOARDS and PLAY SMART!

[quote name="Riding Solo" post="965973" timestamp="1297716718"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80192.msg965970#msg965970 date=1297716489] [quote author=Riding Solo link=topic=80192.msg965938#msg965938 date=1297712210] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=80192.msg965933#msg965933 date=1297711717] Yes, they have one- The prices are higher than any place in Beaumont [/quote] Bummer, well we do have K-dans which has the highest prices of any store in Orange County. Oh ya and a Mexican restaurant. Don't know about their prices yet. ;D ;D ;D [/quote]Whats K-DANS? A drug store? [/quote] Grocery store with a meat market and plate lunches. [/quote]okay ;)

[quote name="stevenash" post="965924" timestamp="1297711164"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80164.msg965921#msg965921 date=1297710835] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=80164.msg965914#msg965914 date=1297710350] Dove- please don't get me confused with any of the detractors- I stated long ago that I am on the Dove bandwagon and wanted to get there early. [/quote]I still think HF can beat  HJ Tuesday night!!!! Coach Richards can beat yall Stevie. [/quote] You won't find me arguing the point.  I would only ask that, if the HF victory happens on Tuesday, that you not treat me in a condescending manner. [/quote]Okay, I'll take our victory with a smile ;)

[quote name="Riding Solo" post="965938" timestamp="1297712210"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=80192.msg965933#msg965933 date=1297711717] Yes, they have one- The prices are higher than any place in Beaumont [/quote] Bummer, well we do have K-dans which has the highest prices of any store in Orange County. Oh ya and a Mexican restaurant. Don't know about their prices yet. ;D ;D ;D [/quote]Whats K-DANS? A drug store?

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="965898" timestamp="1297708615"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80185.msg965825#msg965825 date=1297699461] Well, I guess it could be worse. Having a forum full of HJ supporters congratulating themselves for the next year ::) [/quote] :P Dove, The year isn't over for HJ.....I fully expect to get to play the Tigers again at regionals... [/quote] :(

[quote name="stevenash" post="965914" timestamp="1297710350"] Dove- please don't get me confused with any of the detractors- I stated long ago that I am on the Dove bandwagon and wanted to get there early. [/quote]I still think HF can beat  HJ Tuesday night!!!! Coach Richards can beat yall Stevie.

[quote name="Riding Solo" post="965908" timestamp="1297710171"] One more thing, how do administrations and school boards REALLY know what they are getting when they hire a coach? They are making a decision based on an interview and past records. I mean that coach has a high winning percentage. Does that mean he/she is a good coach. I don't think so, not in all cases. Maybe they just had talent. Its a guessing game 50/50 chance. Unless you have been to a practice/game and watched the coach work the kids you really don't know what you are getting. IMO more research needs to done when hiring a coach. If that means driving 300 miles then drive 300 miles. Even if you find the right guy/lady, Orangefield and Hamphire Fannett will never be able to comete (boy side) on a regular bases as long as we are in this district. Can we compete? Yes we can but not year end and year out unless both communities start growing at a rapid pace. I hate to say that but it is true. I would rather Orangefield not grow, Small communities are special, close knit. [/quote]I thought Silsbee and Sour Lake were small communities?

[quote name="stevenash" post="965906" timestamp="1297710031"] [quote author=Riding Solo link=topic=80192.msg965894#msg965894 date=1297708280] I can understand Dove and Mom08 frustration. Here is the reason, I have a lot of friends from HF that I met through the years in Little Dribblers and believe me the rivalry was just as intense as it was 30 years ago.(Orangefield) That being said, while the girls team have had some success just not the succes they should have. Here is an example, the 2007 class when they were 9 & 10 won nationals in Little Dribblers. They had some talent but when they got to high school they never made the playoffs. Still scratching my head on that one. The 2008 class beat us in Little Dribblers and in Junior High. Never beat us in high school. Still scratching my head. I do realize that you cannot compare Little dribblers and Junior High to high school. Things change when you get to high school. Some kids mature in junior high most do not until they get to high school. Some kids quit, some lose interest, some fall in love and then they start driving. There is a lot of things that changes for a kid once he/she goes to high school. Wish I had the answer but I don't. [/quote]. Maybe the kids at the other schools didnt have to spend as much time lifting weights and were thus able to improve their skills as well as understanding how the game is played? [/quote]Now that is an excellent point S.N